Trump INDICTED

[thegeneral 3,214]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

I trust our ability to count ballots, that's not rocket surgery.  The question is the integrity of what went into the ballots.

But again, that's not a hill I'll die on.  The more obvious impacts on the election were things like unconstitutional changes to voting procedures in places like PA, the media and Feds holding back the Hunter laptop, and the holding back of Covid vaccine approval until just after the election.

The courts upheld PA’s voting, no?

How do any of those things impact Biden getting more votes than Donald?

[RogerDodger 798]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I trust our ability to count ballots, that's not rocket surgery.  The question is the integrity of what went into the ballots.

But again, that's not a hill I'll die on.  The more obvious impacts on the election were things like unconstitutional changes to voting procedures in places like PA, the media and Feds holding back the Hunter laptop, and the holding back of Covid vaccine approval until just after the election.

+ meddling with twitter and facebook.

The laptop alone would have swung the election. 

[jerryskids 6,798]

7 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

The courts upheld PA’s voting, no?

How do any of those things impact Biden getting more votes than Donald?

The courts decided not to open up a ginormous can of worms with PA's voting IMO.  What could they have done that would not have thrown this country into chaos?

I'm not sure about your second question.  A lot of Biden votes came into PA at the last minute. A Covid vaccine would have been good for Trump.  Acknowledgment of the laptop would have been bad for Biden.  This might impact votes.   

[IGotWorms 4,058]

1 hour ago, League Champion said:

It's weak, there's nothing there that can stick 

Disagree. Fake electors scheme is pretty ironclad, at a minimum. There’s a whole lot more but that one seems indefensible 

[gas 157]

LOCK HIM UP!  LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!

[IGotWorms 4,058]

45 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Who are the unnamed co-conspirators 

- Rudy

- John Eastman

- Sydney Powell

who else?!

Mike Honcho had a post a few pages back that pretty conclusively identified all but one 

[thegeneral 3,214]

9 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

The courts decided not to open up a ginormous can of worms with PA's voting IMO.  What could they have done that would not have thrown this country into chaos?

I'm not sure about your second question.  A lot of Biden votes came into PA at the last minute. A Covid vaccine would have been good for Trump.  Acknowledgment of the laptop would have been bad for Biden.  This might impact votes.   

Fair enough. I would argue that any of this would have any impact. Trump is so reviled he got the votes out. It’s why I don’t get Republicans walking the same plank.

I do appreciate these hypotheticals more than Trump’s “widespread corruption!!!11” lies, Chinese bamboo ballots, pillow guy freak outs, etc.

 

 

[seafoam1 3,025]

15 minutes ago, gas said:

LOCK HIM UP!  LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!

TDS must suck.

[thegeneral 3,214]

2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

TDS must suck.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CuQavEasrKM/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
 

Oops!

[gas 157]

3 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

TDS must suck.

Not today.

What a lovely day.

Edited August 2, 2023 by gas
Oops

[seafoam1 3,025]

Just now, thegeneral said:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CuQavEasrKM/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
 

Oops!

I don't click on links from liberals. I don't want child porn on my computer. Sorry peanut. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

On 8/2/2023 at 7:55 AM, BuckSwope said:

This is the spin- he was just innocently "holding out hope"?   Thanks for the am laugh. 

Delusional? If not jail time, shouldn't believing you won an election you didn't should at least disqualify you from office.  

I have no interest in spinning matters for Trump who I hold in incredibly low esteem.  Laugh if you will as it is good medicine, but my post is about what the prosecution will have to prove which is the intent in his, Trump's, mind. That Trump was suspicious of the results when they came in in unusual patterns during the counting is not inherently unreasonable, and that is a hurdle the prosecution will have to overcome.  You or I may accept the explanation for the swings in the counting.  To me it is believable that different constituencies vote through different avenues and at different times and that fully explains a flood of votes for first the one and then the other, but not fully accepting that explanation, or rejecting that explanation does not strike me on its face as wholly unreasonable.  That Trump questioned it and acted on his questions is not inherently outside the bounds of reason.  

 

In my particular case i begin to place it outside the bounds of reason based not necessarily on Trump's actions following the vote counts, but partially on his history and my dislike for him.  I suspect others do as well.  That said, that is not evidence.  My suspicions about his narcisism and meglomania should not be evidence and I am simply trying against my own instincts to leave that open, for now.  

 

In the end I will listen to the prosecutions presentation.  If the defense presents a defense I will listen to that as well.

[seafoam1 3,025]

All the leftists focused on during the extremely violent 2020 leftist riots were the two words "mostly peaceful". $2B in insurance claims alone. Not to mention the physical human violence they caused. 

All we don't hear from the same leftist idiots are the words from Trump "march to the capital and protest peacefully". 

Liberals are so focking crooked and stupid. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

23 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I have no interest in spinning matters for Trump who I hold in incredibly low esteem.  Laugh if you will as it is good medicine, but my post is about what the prosecution will have to prove which is the intent in his, Trump's, mind. That Trump was suspicious of the results when they came in in unusual patterns during the counting is not inherently unreasonable, and that is a hurdle the prosecution will have to overcome.  You or I may accept the explanation for the swings in the counting.  to me it is believable that different constituencies vote through different avenues and at different times and that fully explains a flood of votes for first the one and then the other, but not fully accepting that explanatyion, or rejecting that explanation does not strike me on its face as wholly unreasonable.  that trump questnioned it and acted on his questions is not inherently outside the bounds of reason.  

 

In my particular case i begin to place it outside the bounds of reason based not necessarily on Trump's actions following ther vote counts, but partially on his history and my dislike for him.  I suspect others do as well.  that said, that is not evidence.  My suspicions about his narcisism and meglomania should not be evidence and i am simply trying against my own instincts to leave that open, for now.  

 

In the end I will listen to the prosecutions presentation.  If the defense presents a defense I will listen to that as well.

“Just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and Republicans in Congress” -DJT to the AG

[paulinstl 296]

6 hours ago, RogerDodger said:

Ok I'll do the math for you. Things started to get out of hand shortly after 2:00pm. First tweet was at 2:38.  Boy arent you retarded. 

Rioters had already broken through multiple sets of barricades at The Capitol around 12:45. Two hours after the sh1t started Trump made that tweet, not the few minutes you claim. 

[gas 157]

33 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

I don't click on links from liberals. I don't want child porn on my computer. Sorry peanut. 

You don't click on links from libs b/c you don't want to witness what a STUPID A55HOLE your dear leader is.

[seafoam1 3,025]

Just now, paulinstl said:

Rioters had already broken through multiple sets of barricades at The Capitol around 12:45. Two hours after the sh1t started Trump made that tweet, not the few minutes you claim. 

Wow. Are you really this stupid?

[seafoam1 3,025]

Just now, gas said:

You don't click on links from libs b/c you don't want to witness what a STUPID A55HOLE your dear leader is.

No. I don't click on them because libs are child porn pushers. It not that hard to understand peanut. 

[League Champion 1,911]

 

[RogerDodger 798]

8 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

Rioters had already broken through multiple sets of barricades at The Capitol around 12:45. Two hours after the sh1t started Trump made that tweet, not the few minutes you claim. 

  Trump was still talking at the rally clear down the street at 1:00 dummy.  Capitol police don't even request help with the mob until 1:50. Congress was still meeting until the first rioter entered the capitol at 2:12pm.  That's just fact.  

By any reasonable account it was minutes after Trump knew what was going on.  Not hours.  

 

[League Champion 1,911]

 

[League Champion 1,911]

 

[BuckSwope 654]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

I have no interest in spinning matters for Trump who I hold in incredibly low esteem.  Laugh if you will as it is good medicine, but my post is about what the prosecution will have to prove which is the intent in his, Trump's, mind. That Trump was suspicious of the results when they came in in unusual patterns during the counting is not inherently unreasonable, and that is a hurdle the prosecution will have to overcome.  You or I may accept the explanation for the swings in the counting.  to me it is believable that different constituencies vote through different avenues and at different times and that fully explains a flood of votes for first the one and then the other, but not fully accepting that explanatyion, or rejecting that explanation does not strike me on its face as wholly unreasonable.  that trump questnioned it and acted on his questions is not inherently outside the bounds of reason.  

 

In my particular case i begin to place it outside the bounds of reason based not necessarily on Trump's actions following ther vote counts, but partially on his history and my dislike for him.  I suspect others do as well.  that said, that is not evidence.  My suspicions about his narcisism and meglomania should not be evidence and i am simply trying against my own instincts to leave that open, for now.  

 

In the end I will listen to the prosecutions presentation.  If the defense presents a defense I will listen to that as well.

I get that we as a whole have distrust of our systems.   As I said above, it's healthy to have skepticism.   I guess what I was laughing at is IMO this has gone way past that point and even the evidence that has been shown or talked about goes beyond that.   There's skepticism of the process and then there's going ahead with the things Trump was doing.    The bolded, I agree with - you have legal avenues like the lawsuits and other things that got shot down.  

Like you said, we will see when the evidence is brought out and the cases will be made.   I still don't know how many minds will be changed though no matter the outcome.  

[BuckSwope 654]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

“Just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and Republicans in Congress” -DJT to the AG

He was probably just joking then, too.   

[League Champion 1,911]

1 minute ago, BuckSwope said:

 I still don't know how many minds will be changed though no matter the outcome.  

I don't think the crooked Dems understand, the Legend grows. The American people aren't completely dumb, they see what's happening. 

[jonmx 2,429]

2 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Jon playing the whatabout blues!

Do you understand the foundation of our entire justice system is that it is blind and each person is suppose to have the law applied equally?   Whataboutism is the foundation of fair justice system.   The left's mocking of anyone pointing out their obscene and obvious double standards illustrates just how far towards authoritarianism the left has gone.   You crap all over what a good and honest system of justice is supposed to be.  It disgusts me.  

[BuckSwope 654]

1 minute ago, jonmx said:

Do you understand the foundation of our entire justice system is that it is blind and each person is suppose to have the law applied equally?   Whataboutism is the foundation of fair justice system.   The left's mocking of anyone pointing out their obscene and obvious double standards illustrates just how far the left has gone.   You crap all over what a good and honest system of justice is supposed to be.  It disgusts me.  

No, whataboutism is pointing the finger constantly at the other "team" while ignoring yours.    Whataboutism is Trump! Biden! Summer of Love! 1/6!  BLM! Racism! without ever saying anything bad about the people you voted for or your "team".   

Yes, I agree that should be our goal, but I will also say that is never going to happen.   Different rules for different people - always has been, always will be.   

[thegeneral 3,214]

7 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Do you understand the foundation of our entire justice system is that it is blind and each person is suppose to have the law applied equally?   Whataboutism is the foundation of fair justice system.   The left's mocking of anyone pointing out their obscene and obvious double standards illustrates just how far towards authoritarianism the left has gone.   You crap all over what a good and honest system of justice is supposed to be.  It disgusts me.  

Hey, go ahead and go after Biden family to your heart’s content. You bringing up Biden seems a little suspect…but whatever.

Trump is guilty as hell, he has openly admitted it many times. To not go after him implies he is above the law. Perhaps you are fine with this. Not sure.

[League Champion 1,911]

7 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

the people you voted for or you

Who would that be Buck? Who exactly did you vote for? Because every Lib in here mysteriously voted for someone other than Biden. It's a wonder how he got elected at all, isn't it? 

[seafoam1 3,025]

1 hour ago, paulinstl said:

Rioters had already broken through multiple sets of barricades at The Capitol around 12:45. Two hours after the sh1t started Trump made that tweet, not the few minutes you claim. 

All the leftists focused on during the extremely violent 2020 leftist riots were the two words "mostly peaceful". $2B in insurance claims alone. Not to mention the physical human violence they caused. 

All we don't hear from the same leftist idiots are the words from Trump "march to the capital and protest peacefully". 

Liberals are so focking crooked and stupid.

[seafoam1 3,025]

9 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

No, whataboutism is pointing the finger constantly at the other "team" while ignoring yours.    Whataboutism is Trump! Biden! Summer of Love! 1/6!  BLM! Racism! without ever saying anything bad about the people you voted for or your "team".   

Yes, I agree that should be our goal, but I will also say that is never going to happen.   Different rules for different people - always has been, always will be.   

That's why in every biden thread it's all about Trump for the liberals. 

[BuckSwope 654]

1 minute ago, League Champion said:

Who would that be Buck? Who exactly did you vote for? Because every Lib in here mysteriously voted for someone other than Biden. It's a wonder how he got elected at all, isn't it? 

I've been clear and honest - I voted 3rd party for POTUS since late 90s, and voted Biden in '22.     State and local level it's more R/D with 3rd party mixed in.  

I've also been pretty open about not liking the result of that, and if given a redo I'd just go 3rd party again.  I didn't think Biden would be this bad, or more accurately I hoped the people he surrounded himself with also weren't epically bad.  

I can't speak to who anybody else on the board did or didn't vote for.  Around here talking to people I don't remember running into anybody that didn't vote for one or the other, so I don't think the bolded is all that surprising.  

[League Champion 1,911]

1 minute ago, BuckSwope said:

I've been clear and honest - I voted 3rd party for POTUS since late 90s, and voted Biden in '22.     State and local level it's more R/D with 3rd party mixed in.  

You are so full of crap!!! You're a Lib to the bone. All you do is defend the Biden Administration and attack Republicans. 

Don't give me that crap Buck 

[BuckSwope 654]

7 minutes ago, League Champion said:

You are so full of crap!!! You're a Lib to the bone. All you do is defend the Biden Administration and attack Republicans. 

Don't give me that crap Buck 

I'd love examples where I defend the administration.  I attack Republicans here because most of you are far right nuts that have gone too far.  

I'm mostly with you all on the trans stuff, then you go to cuckoo town.  I'm with you on covid, and...  mostly with you on guns, and... I think you get the picture.  

[seafoam1 3,025]

4 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I'd love examples where I defend the administration.  I attack Republicans here because most of you are far right nuts that have gone too far.  

I'm mostly with you all on the trans stuff, then you go to cuckoo town.  I'm with you on covid, and...  mostly with you on guns, and... I think you get the picture.  

Coming from an extreme liberal. 

[League Champion 1,911]

6 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

most of you are far right nuts that have gone too far.  

I don't see you going at the far left nuts in here that support all abortion, cutting off Kids genitalia, BLM, immigration, Drag Queens entertaining little Kids or grooming. Not once 

And you're way more vocal against Trump even though he's not a sitting President. 

 

[League Champion 1,911]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

Coming from an extreme liberal. 

I like Buck but he's a fraud. He'll jab at Trump with his little Liberal buddies every chance he gets but NEVER calls out Biden. 

[seafoam1 3,025]

Just now, League Champion said:

I like Buck but he's a fraud. He'll jab at Trump with his little Liberal buddies every chance he gets but NEVER calls out Biden. 

Never.

[BuckSwope 654]

9 minutes ago, League Champion said:

I don't see you going at the far left nuts in here that support all abortion, cutting off Kids genitalia, BLM, immigration, Drag Queens entertaining little Kids or grooming. Not once 

And you're way more vocal against Trump even though he's not a sitting President. 

 

It's more fun to pile on a55holes, and the far left nuts haven't been the a55holes toward me.    You of all people can appreciate a little bit of bs trolling that's why I don't "go at" them.   I've disagreed with them on the border, on guns, and other things and you have even been in some of those conversations, so spare me that.  

Biden is dull as hell, and Trump is more fun to talk about.   And what he was trying to do after the election I consider treasonous, so there is that as well.   Though I have no love for either or most politicians, I do have a special distain for Trump and can admit that.  

[League Champion 1,911]

4 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

It's more fun to pile on a55holes, and the far left nuts haven't been the a55holes toward me.    You of all people can appreciate a little bit of bs trolling that's why I don't "go at" them.   I've disagreed with them on the border, on guns, and other things and you have even been in some of those conversations, so spare me that.  

Biden is dull as hell, and Trump is more fun to talk about.   And what he was trying to do after the election I consider treasonous, so there is that as well.   Though I have no love for either or most politicians, I do have a special distain for Trump and can admit that.  

This is you Buck, but not only you. It's all Liberals in a nutshell.