Banning Assault Weapons Will Put An End To School Massacres

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It's Teh Gunz!

 

Armed rebels attacked a school in western Uganda, killing at least 41 people, mostly students, and abducting six others, Ugandan officials have said.

Some were hacked to death with machetes while others died when their dormitories were set on fire, military spokesman Felix Kulayigye told CNN.

About 20 members of the ISIS-linked Allied Democratic Forces (ADF) rebel group attacked the Lhubirira secondary school late on Friday, according to Uganda’s military.

The school is situated along Uganda’s border with Congo in the town of Kasese, and educates children between the ages of 13 and 18. Of the dead, 39 were students and two were from the local community, local officials said.

[Cloaca du jour 2,147]

Things no one believes ever.

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3 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

Things no one believes ever.

Also a thing no one ever said.  

[Cloaca du jour 2,147]

6 minutes ago, MDC said:

Also a thing no one ever said.  

Some crazy lib im sure has said it.

[Ultra Max Power 214]

If I have a pistol brace and replace it with a stock, but also pay 200 dollars im less lethal.... 

Idiots

 

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Wasn’t that a Christian school, that’s the report I’m seeing on the Christian Post.  

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19 minutes ago, MDC said:

Also a thing no one ever said.  

Cool. So we agree that banning assault weapons won't make kids any safer. 

Progress.

[seafoam1 2,799]

We have open borders here. Come here easily  and kill all you want. You'll be free to go.

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14 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

Some crazy lib im sure has said it.

That's their whole mantra. 

[BuckSwope 654]

Whats the point being made here-  People can kill by other ways than guns?  If we ban guns rebels will murder school kids with machetes? Libs said dumb on the interwebs?

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42 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Cool. So we agree that banning assault weapons won't make kids any safer. 

Progress.

No, but we agree that school shootings would still happen in the absence of assault weapons.

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59 minutes ago, MDC said:

No, but we agree that school shootings would still happen in the absence of assault weapons.

We definitely agree on that. 

[League Champion 1,896]

And there's no such thing as an "assault" weapon". Weapons can't commit assault, only humans or animals can. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Cloaca du jour said:

Things no one believes ever.

 

Part of the conflict is that most people who are Pro 2A aren't actually opposed to some practical changes in "gun regulation", what is opposed is the notion that giving up any ground is akin to asking for the Anti-Gun contingent to become relentless absolute gun grabbers. 

Bill Burr said something interesting once in an interview, he said he doesn't understand why gun laws don't operate in a "tiered system"  i.e. when you turn 18, you can access certain weapons ( say a revolver or a single barrel shotgun or a bolt action hunting rifle), but in a few years, if you show you can reasonably and legally handle those firearms, you can graduate to something else (maybe something with fixed magazine, a standard shotgun, etc, etc) and when you hit 25, then you can buy an AR-15. 

The problem is if the Pro-2A crowd even began to discuss that, that hard line Team Blue and the DNC just want all the guns period. This happened in NY. Bruen was overturned and then Governor Kathy Hochul triggered an emergency session of the state legislature to pass a bill that effectively banned guns in NY period. Even though she knew it was illegal and would not survive judicial scrutiny, she did it for the headlines, personal fund raising and virtue signaling. Also part of the provision was having a "background check" on someone's social media accounts to form the basis of a potential denial of license issuance. ( Read that as "If you say anything too Republican, we are going to rule against you)

I actually don't have a problem with restrictions on an 18 year old so they can't buy an AR-15 ( the exemption being someone who is serving in the US military. If you are willing to sign up and pick up a rifle and fight and maybe die for America, then you have the right to own a weapon similar to the one you are using to protect America)  I don't have a problem with gun safes being mandatory to own a firearm period. 

But let's game it out. If you had laws that required a gun safe, then the Democrats would create an entire bureaucracy choking out who could and could not get a gun safe. The application would require you to engage 8 different agencies, in person, at all different parts of the state.  There would a four year wait to get a safe. You'd need an "inspection" by a government agent every 2 months to have that safe in your home, at the cost of 500 dollars an inspection, and you'd have to submit all your personal social media accounts for review to risk denial.  The price of a safe would jump to 15 thousand dollars. Anyone who made gun safes would be required by law to adhere to DEI and "anti-racist" training , etc, etc. And on and on and on and on. 

The gun debate is "over" now. Over 10 percent of all legal guns ever sold in America, all throughout it's entire history, were sold in the last 3 years. That's a staggering number. 

You defund the police, demonize law enforcement, have "bail reform", have DAs who refuse to enforce the actual law, show there is a disparity in enforcement depending on your "identity" and outright attack the working class with cooked public policy, and no one will trust the government anymore. 

Buying a firearm today operates as a simple statement to Team Blue - "You abandoned us. You showed us that we are all on our own. So we responded to that new reality by buying more guns than anyone has ever seen in recorded American history. Thanks for nothing." 

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5 hours ago, BuckSwope said:

Whats the point being made here-  People can kill by other ways than guns?  If we ban guns rebels will murder school kids with machetes? Libs said dumb on the interwebs?

The point being made is, it isn't access to guns that causes evil people to perform evil acts against innocent people. Furthermore, prohibiting access to guns by law abiding people will not prevent evil people from performing evil acts. 

As a side note, personally, I'd rather catch one in the grape than be burned alive or hacked to death by a caveman with a machete. 

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15 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

 Furthermore, prohibiting access to guns by law abiding people will not prevent evil people from performing evil acts. 

 

The majority of gun violence happens with handguns. 

The 2nd Amendment is built around a "well regulated militia" concept. In essence, we have a right to bear arms, but there is no distinction against which arms. 

A universal ban on handguns would reduce gun violence in America IN THEORY. In exchange, have no practical limits on rifles of any kind other than length. Unfortunately a "buy back" of all handguns in America is just not feasible at this point. 

But, to point, Team Blue wants to pick on AR-15s, when it's handguns that would make a massive difference overall. Crimes with AR-15s in mass shootings are simply easier to sell in the activist MSM as a narrative. 

What's the immediate counter narrative?  AOC wants your guns gone. She's guarded by highly trained security, paid for your tax dollars, who are carrying handguns. 

It's just too late. Trying to sweep up and collect all guns is not feasible. There is no practical logistical pathway to support it. It's simply a "wedge" issue for Team Blue to generate donations, energize their base and secure a "single issue voter" block. 

Train everyone to use a firearm safely and you remove the ignorance around guns. That means mandatory conscription of all 16 year olds for a 3 year tour in either a military setting or a Public Service Corps type setting. 

You are correct. Banning guns overall doesn't help the law abiding. However there are some practical measures that would help. There's a middle ground, but I don't believe that middle ground can be reached without the gun grabbers seeing it as weakness and using it to attack all gun owners. 

The NRA could help itself by selling single barrel shotguns for 1 dollar each plus "free training" to anyone who has never owned a gun before. Each new gun owner becomes a new Pro 2A advocate. If you don't own guns, if guns are taken away, you've lost nothing in substance in your daily life. If you are, however a gun owner, that loss is direct and personal. 

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Mandatory draft for all 16-year-olds? I can’t wait to see what other genius ideas will come from the blue ball pony next!

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2 minutes ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

The majority of gun violence happens with handguns. 

The 2nd Amendment is built around a "well regulated militia" concept. In essence, we have a right to bear arms, but there is no distinction against which arms. 

A universal ban on handguns would reduce gun violence in America IN THEORY. In exchange, have no practical limits on rifles of any kind other than length. Unfortunately a "buy back" of all handguns in America is just not feasible at this point. 

But, to point, Team Blue wants to pick on AR-15s, when it's handguns that would make a massive difference overall. Crimes with AR-15s in mass shootings are simply easier to sell in the activist MSM as a narrative. 

What's the immediate counter narrative?  AOC wants your guns gone. She's guarded by highly trained security, paid for your tax dollars, who are carrying handguns. 

It's just too late. Trying to sweep up and collect all guns is not feasible. There is no practical logistical pathway to support it. It's simply a "wedge" issue for Team Blue to generate donations, energize their base and secure a "single issue voter" block. 

Train everyone to use a firearm safely and you remove the ignorance around guns. That means mandatory conscription of all 16 year olds for a 3 year tour in either a military setting or a Public Service Corps type setting. 

You are correct. Banning guns overall doesn't help the law abiding. However there are some practical measures that would help. There's a middle ground, but I don't believe that middle ground can be reached without the gun grabbers seeing it as weakness and using it to attack all gun owners. 

The NRA could help itself by selling single barrel shotguns for 1 dollar each plus "free training" to anyone who has never owned a gun before. Each new gun owner becomes a new Pro 2A advocate. If you don't own guns, if guns are taken away, you've lost nothing in substance in your daily life. If you are, however a gun owner, that loss is direct and personal. 

It is my opinion that the intent of the 2A was to ensure that the citizenry could not be denied the right to own weapons with which they could defend themselves from a tyrannical government. You can't do that with handguns.

Although, I agree, banning handguns would drastically reduce number of illegal shootings in this country, including suicide, which count for a far more significant number of "gun related deaths" than do mass shootings, with any type of rifle. 

But the government isn't afraid of your handgun. They fear your AR, your AK, your SKS and other so called "assault weapons." And, if they're ever successful in banning any particular type of weapon, you can be assured that they will not stop there. 

So, no, those of us who know the endgame will not allow them a foothold from which to expand their gun grabbing scheme. We know history and we know where that leads. 

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6 hours ago, Ultra Max Power said:

If I have a pistol brace and replace it with a stock, but also pay 200 dollars im less lethal.... 

Idiots

 

Only a few here know what that means lol 

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7 hours ago, Ultra Max Power said:

If I have a pistol brace and replace it with a stock, but also pay 200 dollars im less lethal.... 

Idiots

 

 

21 minutes ago, shorepatrol said:

Only a few here know what that means lol 

Common sense gun laws brought to you by people who know nothing about guns. 

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8 hours ago, 5-Points said:

The point being made is, it isn't access to guns that causes evil people to perform evil acts against innocent people. Furthermore, prohibiting access to guns by law abiding people will not prevent evil people from performing evil acts. 

As a side note, personally, I'd rather catch one in the grape than be burned alive or hacked to death by a caveman with a machete. 

Wow. Shocking revelation, thanks for the thread. 

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Sorry alphabet people but you can't steal my guns.  Second amendment.

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1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

Wow. Shocking revelation, thanks for the thread. 

If only there were a way you could've avoided having to read it.

 

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16 hours ago, Ultra Max Power said:

If I have a pistol brace and replace it with a stock, but also pay 200 dollars im less lethal.... 

Idiots

 

 

 

[dogcows 1,030]

For those who are gun experts, deriding others for their lack of knowledge…

How come none of your proposed solutions to gun violence have worked? The NRA’s MOAR GUNZ policy is an abject failure, with gun violence (unsurprisingly) INCREASING as the number of guns goes up.

If you’re truly experts, surely you have some solutions, right?

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3 hours ago, 5-Points said:

If only there were a way you could've avoided having to read it.

 

I know.  You guys are so intent on posting dumb sh1t that makes me laugh that i pop in here during my morning crap for entertainment.  I can't help myself. 

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13 minutes ago, dogcows said:

For those who are gun experts, deriding others for their lack of knowledge…

How come none of your proposed solutions to gun violence have worked? The NRA’s MOAR GUNZ policy is an abject failure, with gun violence (unsurprisingly) INCREASING as the number of guns goes up.

If you’re truly experts, surely you have some solutions, right?

If I use knives as tools, do I need to be an expert on how to keep violent people from stabbing other people?

 

If I have a Coke every now and then, does that make me an expert on how to cure diabetes?

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11 minutes ago, dogcows said:

For those who are gun experts, deriding others for their lack of knowledge…

How come none of your proposed solutions to gun violence have worked? The NRA’s MOAR GUNZ policy is an abject failure, with gun violence (unsurprisingly) INCREASING as the number of guns goes up.

If you’re truly experts, surely you have some solutions, right?

I was good with Stop and Frisk. 

Also enforcing the laws already on the books would be a fantastic start.

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14 minutes ago, dogcows said:

For those who are gun experts, deriding others for their lack of knowledge…

How come none of your proposed solutions to gun violence have worked? The NRA’s MOAR GUNZ policy is an abject failure, with gun violence (unsurprisingly) INCREASING as the number of guns goes up.

If you’re truly experts, surely you have some solutions, right?

In my expert opinion, it isn't a gun problem. 

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11 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I know.  You guys are so intent on posting dumb sh1t that makes me laugh that i pop in here during my morning crap for entertainment.  I can't help myself. 

Don't sell yourself short. 

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15 minutes ago, dogcows said:

For those who are gun experts, deriding others for their lack of knowledge…

How come none of your proposed solutions to gun violence have worked? The NRA’s MOAR GUNZ policy is an abject failure, with gun violence (unsurprisingly) INCREASING as the number of guns goes up.

If you’re truly experts, surely you have some solutions, right?

Oh we do, and it would be very effective. You soy boys don't have the stomach for it 

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2 hours ago, 5-Points said:

 

 

Wow. That man's brain is fried. 

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22 minutes ago, dogcows said:

you’re truly experts, surely you have some solutions, right?

I'm sure your boy Biden can handle it. If he can take a second to stop sniffing kids and throwing Gay Gala's at the White House we'll be just fine. Or will we? 

First he has to figure out where the hell he is and what day it is. 

[seafoam1 2,799]

5 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

Wow. That man's brain is fried. 

He does represent the common everyday liberal well though. 

[BuckSwope 654]

25 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Don't sell yourself short. 

So... do you believe that people actually believe what you are implying if they are for gun ban? That people believe others turn evil by owning a gun and the gun is causing them to do it?  

Nah, I do buy that, so it's just a dumb trolling thread that you probably should expect dumb, not serious replies. If you do think it's the above, it's even funnier,so please tell us that is the case. 

 

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31 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

my expert opinion, it isn't a gun problem. 

We don't have a gun problem, we have a people problem. My guns aren't a problem, how are anyone elses? 

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35 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

I was good with Stop and Frisk. 

Also enforcing the laws already on the books would be a fantastic start.

Thanks for offering up some ideas.

In states with stricter gun laws but high firearm violence, I think there is merit here. Maryland is one such state that could look at better enforcement. But other states with high rates of firearm violence have such permissive gun laws that you can’t do much until the trigger is pulled. If all states had the same restrictions as NY, and they were enforced well, then I think some serious progress could be made. Sadly, many states are headed the other way, and the courts are striking down long-standing gun restrictions regularly now.

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17 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Thanks for offering up some ideas.

In states with stricter gun laws but high firearm violence,  they are all democrat run cities....

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51 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

So... do you believe that people actually believe what you are implying if they are for gun ban? That people believe others turn evil by owning a gun and the gun is causing them to do it?  

Nah, I do buy that, so it's just a dumb trolling thread that you probably should expect dumb, not serious replies. If you do think it's the above, it's even funnier,so please tell us that is the case. 

 

If we agree that guns don't cause the behavior that we want to prevent then we must also agree that banning guns won't prevent said behavior. 

In which case, gun bans are a non-starter for any serious discussion on violence prevention. You can cause as much death and destruction with a Street Sweeper as you can with an AR. So you want to ban both? Next up, the mini 14. Want to ban them too? How about the .30 carbine?

Once that camel's nose is under the tent there's no going back and it would have detrimental effects on future generations and their freedoms in this country. 

 

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1 hour ago, League Champion said:

We don't have a gun problem, we have a people problem. My guns aren't a problem, how are anyone elses? 

Just checked, mine are all right where I left them, minding their own business.