Hunter Biden Whistle Blower Gal Luft

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2 hours ago, Ultra Max Power said:

Thanks for the link.  

So in 2019 Luft provided information on the Bidens taking bribes from China on the FD-1032 forms.  He also told the FBI he had no dealings between China/Iran in that meeting.  The FBI/DOJ charged him with lying about China/Iran, but did not investigate his Biden/China claims?  

Prior to this meeting Luft was considered a well vetted confidential human source, meaning the DOJ reviewed his history and deemed his information trustworthy.  So Something changed after that meeting and the majority of his charges are from things that happened while he was a vetted source.  

2022 was when he was charged.   So yes, this can still easily be a retaliation for the whistleblowing.  The Biden China deal was documented in 2019, it only became public recently. 

Luft might be a shitty dude. I don't know.  But this FARA stuff and move to discredit him comes off flat to me.  Bottom line is they want to call him a Chinese agent and then dismiss what he says about Biden and China.  That isn't a reasonable take. 

A review of Hunter's laptop shows he violated FARA as well and using the same standard could be referred to as a Chinese spy just as easily.  

As you point out in your first paragraph: They figured out pretty quickly that Luft was lying. So... why would they investigate Hunter based on the word of a known liar?

And there was a definite desire to “get” Hunter in the Trump administration. Remember the “perfect phone call” by any chance? So if there was any “there” there, they certainly would have done something in 2019.

I know that many right-wingers are just SURE that, despite Hunter being addicted to drugs at the time, he was somehow a mastermind international criminal. And although Joe Biden is supposedly senile, he’s simultaneously a genius mob boss that keeps any possible proof of his crime family’s malfeasance secret from the world.

But to put it all in context, the reason we’re talking about Luft at all is because he was supposedly a credible witness against Hunter Biden. Not only is he not credible, but it seems very unlikely he will go anywhere with a U.S extradition treaty. So there’s a near-zero chance he will testify. So, yet another rock-solid witness from the GOP committee that is neither rock-solid, nor able to serve as witness.

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15 hours ago, dogcows said:

As you point out in your first paragraph: They figured out pretty quickly that Luft was lying. So... why would they investigate Hunter based on the word of a known liar?

And there was a definite desire to “get” Hunter in the Trump administration. Remember the “perfect phone call” by any chance? So if there was any “there” there, they certainly would have done something in 2019.

I know that many right-wingers are just SURE that, despite Hunter being addicted to drugs at the time, he was somehow a mastermind international criminal. And although Joe Biden is supposedly senile, he’s simultaneously a genius mob boss that keeps any possible proof of his crime family’s malfeasance secret from the world.

But to put it all in context, the reason we’re talking about Luft at all is because he was supposedly a credible witness against Hunter Biden. Not only is he not credible, but it seems very unlikely he will go anywhere with a U.S extradition treaty. So there’s a near-zero chance he will testify. So, yet another rock-solid witness from the GOP committee that is neither rock-solid, nor able to serve as witness.

What I find interesting is that this same agency either is too inept to know that the Hunter laptop was legit or did have the accumen to know it....but actively worked to protect Hunter from it.   For the moment, lets assume you and I are correct and the agency is not inept, but is rather good at their job.

So then, in this context we have an agency that worked pointedly to protect the Presidents son from evidence of foreign corrupt activities for a couple of years.

Now, I think this guy Luft is probably a slimly little piece of scum. He could very easily be lying here, just to protect himself. I am still on the fence with this guy, for now. But.....the agency.....their behaviors to move pointedly to protect the Bidens.....now I have to question them a little more on what they are doing here.

If the actions of the agency did not seem so corrupt as it pertains to Biden I would just assume this clown was pulling out some effort to save his skin with all this, but I cannot be sure.

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15 hours ago, dogcows said:

As you point out in your first paragraph: They figured out pretty quickly that Luft was lying. So... why would they investigate Hunter based on the word of a known liar?

And there was a definite desire to “get” Hunter in the Trump administration. Remember the “perfect phone call” by any chance? So if there was any “there” there, they certainly would have done something in 2019.

I know that many right-wingers are just SURE that, despite Hunter being addicted to drugs at the time, he was somehow a mastermind international criminal. And although Joe Biden is supposedly senile, he’s simultaneously a genius mob boss that keeps any possible proof of his crime family’s malfeasance secret from the world.

But to put it all in context, the reason we’re talking about Luft at all is because he was supposedly a credible witness against Hunter Biden. Not only is he not credible, but it seems very unlikely he will go anywhere with a U.S extradition treaty. So there’s a near-zero chance he will testify. So, yet another rock-solid witness from the GOP committee that is neither rock-solid, nor able to serve as witness.

You're assuming they knew Luft was lying at the time. If they had all the evidence they charged him with in 2019, they don't need a lie as a cherry on top.  Heck they could have detained him at that time instead of waiting 3 more years if they were so sure. 

I think the Bidens are known liars, I think their associates are known liars, I think the Bidens are brash enough to take money from China considering how untouchable they are. I think the FBI/DOJ is politically compromised and you could see it for face value during Wray's testimony yesterday.  

Hunter is no mastermind for sure.  Masterminds are more cunning.  Hunter was a drug addict with little qualifications that made millions internationally in Russia, China, and Ukraine and its obvious to anyone with a brain that his "service" was access to his father.  

Right wingers just want to call a spade a spade. 

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37 minutes ago, RLLD said:

What I find interesting is that this same agency either is too inept to know that the Hunter laptop was legit or did have the accumen to know it....but actively worked to protect Hunter from it.   For the moment, lets assume you and I are correct and the agency is not inept, but is rather good at their job.

So then, in this context we have an agency that worked pointedly to protect the Presidents son from evidence of foreign corrupt activities for a couple of years.

Now, I think this guy Luft is probably a slimly little piece of scum. He could very easily be lying here, just to protect himself. I am still on the fence with this guy, for now. But.....the agency.....their behaviors to move pointedly to protect the Bidens.....now I have to question them a little more on what they are doing here.

If the actions of the agency did not seem so corrupt as it pertains to Biden I would just assume this clown was pulling out some effort to save his skin with all this, but I cannot be sure.

It's just the same cycle that I'm tired of.  Any evidence of democratic wrong-doing get minimized, swept under the rug, and if its starts growing legs they attack the person bringing the claim.

On the flip side republican wrong-doing is amplified, front page news and the whistleblowers are heroes.  

I know both parties are doing their shady things, but to pretend like one isn't because the DOJ/FBI are compromised is just being naive. 

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2 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

It's just the same cycle that I'm tired of.  Any evidence of democratic wrong-doing get minimized, swept under the rug, and if its starts growing legs they attack the person bringing the claim.

On the flip side republican wrong-doing is amplified, front page news and the whistleblowers are heroes.  

I know both parties are doing their shady things, but to pretend like one isn't because the DOJ/FBI are compromised is just being naive. 

Right now it favors liberals, and they seem to care little about fairness so much as getting their way, up and down the group....

But when this changes, and I think it might, and these agencies are turned back on them.....and things are done to them as they have done....they will be entirely right to object, and WE ALL should object in unison.  We cannot allow ourselves the luxury of maleable morals as liberals do.  There has to be a line for us.

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4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Right now it favors liberals, and they seem to care little about fairness so much as getting their way, up and down the group....

But when this changes, and I think it might, and these agencies are turned back on them.....and things are done to them as they have done....they will be entirely right to object, and WE ALL should object in unison.  We cannot allow ourselves the luxury of maleable morals as liberals do.  There has to be a line for us.

I'm worried things may have swung too far and we need to teardown and rebuild it all back up.  I've never had a political side, but since my teenage years I've related closer to the anti-establishment side.  I was more liberal during the Bush years and happy when Obama won in 2008.  I didn't vote in 2012, but when the D ticket nominated Hilary it was a hard no for me.  

After Trump won and I saw the establishment machine go after him, I've found myself siding with the right-wing more and more.  If Trump wins in 2024 and starts raiding democratic politicians for relatively minor infractions, I'll have a MAJOR problem with that.  

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8 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

I'm worried things may have swung too far and we need to teardown and rebuild it all back up.  I've never had a political side, but since my teenage years I've related closer to the anti-establishment side.  I was more liberal during the Bush years and happy when Obama won in 2008.  I didn't vote in 2012, but when the D ticket nominated Hilary it was a hard no for me.  

After Trump won and I saw the establishment machine go after him, I've found myself siding with the right-wing more and more.  If Trump wins in 2024 and starts raiding democratic politicians for relatively minor infractions, I'll have a MAJOR problem with that.  

What do you think should have happened with Trump and these documents?

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23 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

I'm worried things may have swung too far and we need to teardown and rebuild it all back up.  I've never had a political side, but since my teenage years I've related closer to the anti-establishment side.  I was more liberal during the Bush years and happy when Obama won in 2008.  I didn't vote in 2012, but when the D ticket nominated Hilary it was a hard no for me.  

After Trump won and I saw the establishment machine go after him, I've found myself siding with the right-wing more and more.  If Trump wins in 2024 and starts raiding democratic politicians for relatively minor infractions, I'll have a MAJOR problem with that.  

I think it is a common reaction within our culture to lean toward the underdog. And right now liberal ideology holds a more prominent position in terms of amplification, and perhaps even scope.  So when we see conservatives pushing back, holding on to the things that are good andmake this country great we sorta see it as a stance against wrong.  I think.....

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15 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

What do you think should have happened with Trump and these documents?

I think exactly what did happen..... and now hold Biden accountable as well.  Both did it. And I do not want to hear that Trump was a d!ck about it, I want them BOTH held accountable.  Give me this Trump approach on any and all of them.

These are powerful people, and we need to assume they are not always up to "good" things.   So, I welcome what they are doing to Trump, get him by all means.....but stop allowing Biden to be corrupt please....

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16 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

What do you think should have happened with Trump and these documents?

I think Lawyers are going to have to debate over the presidential records act as a case can be made he is allowed to have them.  However if we use historic precedence, then probably nothing should happen.  

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8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think exactly what did happen..... and now hold Biden accountable as well.  Both did it. And I do not want to hear that Trump was a d!ck about it, I want them BOTH held accountable.  Give me this Trump approach on any and all of them.

These are powerful people, and we need to assume they are not always up to "good" things.   So, I welcome what they are doing to Trump, get him by all means.....but stop allowing Biden to be corrupt please....

How Biden and Trump handled this isn’t the same. That’s why Trump is in trouble. 

If Biden did the same thing then he would be getting the same rash of shet.

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9 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

I think Lawyers are going to have to debate over the presidential records act as a case can be made he is allowed to have them.  However if we use historic precedence, then probably nothing should happen.  

If he would have followed proper procedure then this wouldn’t be happening. That is why his hotel was searched and why they took the stuff he said he didn’t have.

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4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think it is a common reaction within our culture to lean toward the underdog. And right now liberal ideology holds a more prominent position in terms of amplification, and perhaps even scope.  So when we see conservatives pushing back, holding on to the things that are good andmake this country great we sorta see it as a stance against wrong.  I think.....

That is a decent assessment of the situation.  I think the political spectrum is so fragmented now that it's almost hard to understand the positions associated with the right/left, liberal/conservative views.  

Free speech and anti-war used to be foundational pieces of the liberal ideology.  Now free speech is a right-wing idea.  Authoritarianism used to be the furthest point from liberal views and now they are hand in hand. Strange times.  

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44 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

What do you think should have happened with Trump and these documents?

They got them back, right? 

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21 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

If he would have followed proper procedure then this wouldn’t be happening. That is why his hotel was searched and why they took the stuff he said he didn’t have.

So what do you think should happen to people who don't follow proper procedure with classified documents?

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28 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

How Biden and Trump handled this isn’t the same. That’s why Trump is in trouble. 

If Biden did the same thing then he would be getting the same rash of shet.

I do not care.   They both did the same thing, I want both to be treated the same.   And if they discover that Desantis did this, the same....and if they discover that Jesus did this...the same....

Creating an allowance for Democrats is not how this should be done. 

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I want Trump treated the same way as Hillary who wasn’t protected under the PRA like her husband was. I want Hunter, Joe and James charged with FARA for working with CEFC like this guy was for working with CEFC. This isn’t difficult.

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26 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They got them back, right? 

They took them back, he was trying to move them, keep them, etc.

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12 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I do not care.   They both did the same thing, I want both to be treated the same.   And if they discover that Desantis did this, the same....and if they discover that Jesus did this...the same....

Creating an allowance for Democrats is not how this should be done. 

They have been treated the same. Biden cooperated, Trump did his usual shet and creates this big mess.

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Lol at idiot saying that Biden "gave them back" so he shouldn't be held accountable.

 

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9 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

I want Trump treated the same way as Hillary who wasn’t protected under the PRA like her husband was. I want Hunter, Joe and James charged with FARA for working with CEFC like this guy was for working with CEFC. This isn’t difficult.

Hillary is a much better example. She went through the wringer for her actions. Now it’s this dumbasses turn.

Trump isn’t covered under the PRA. He is just full of crap and throwing it out. He focked up, he’s a moron and keeps talking about it.

In the end he’ll probably end up with some slap on the wrist because that’s how it goes for these people.

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3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

They have been treated the same. Biden cooperated, Trump did his usual shet and creates this big mess.

I do not care.   They both did the same thing, I want both to be treated the same.   And if they discover that Desantis did this, the same....and if they discover that Jesus did this...the same....

Creating an allowance for Democrats is not how this should be done

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2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Lol at idiot saying that Biden "gave them back" so he shouldn't be held accountable.

 

Hey dope. That’s not what I said. Trump is in trouble because he didn’t comply. If he did this would have been done a long time ago.

What is so hard about this?

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3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I do not care.   They both did the same thing, I want both to be treated the same.   And if they discover that Desantis did this, the same....and if they discover that Jesus did this...the same....

Creating an allowance for Democrats is not how this should be done

They did not do the same thing. They both had documents. Trump lied about having them, then gave some back, then lied about having more, then went out of his way to keep them, move them, was showing them to people, allegedly, etc.

That is why Trump’s house was raided, that is why he is in trouble. Biden’s home was also searched why was it so different with Trump

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9 minutes ago, Strike said:

Lol at idiot saying that Biden "gave them back" so he shouldn't be held accountable.

 

Read the law and understanding the law they are charged under is why Trump is being indicted and Biden won't be.  IAT

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3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

They did not do the same thing. They both had documents. Trump lied about having them, then gave some back, then lied about having more, then went out of his way to keep them, move them, was showing them to people, allegedly, etc.

That is why Trump’s house was raided, that is why he is in trouble. Biden’s home was also searched why was it so different with Trump

They did.....and the pretense that there is a distinction is a problem, its a big problem.  Its the same thing, treating them differently is a problem.

I want the Trump experience for ALL of them, regardless of party.....regardless of role....regardless of how they reacted to being caught.

This is how actual justice works.  Stop protecting the powerful, they do not need it. 

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Just now, RLLD said:

They did.....and the pretense that there is a distinction is a problem, its a big problem.  Its the same thing, treating them differently is a problem.

I want the Trump experience for ALL of them, regardless of party.....regardless of role....regardless of how they reacted to being caught.

This is how actual justice works.  Stop protecting the powerful, they do not need it. 

Biden is still under investigation for this BTW. 

I can’t keep explaining the same shet over and over again. What occurred here is not the same. 

For you to get the “Trump Experience” or the “Hillary Experience” your actions have to rise to that.

Treating these documents recklessly is not judged the same as going out of your way to interfere with their retrieval, lying about having them, moving them around to hide them, showing them off like props, etc.

I agree it would be nice if everyone in DC who had these handled them properly. 

Stop with the comparing of Biden and Pence (and countless others) with Trump or Hillary for that matter.

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6 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Read the law and understanding the law they are charged under is why Trump is being indicted and Biden won't be.  IAT

One major difference is Trump was President.  Biden wasn't when he committed the crime.  Some of the stuff he had in his garage was from the 70s when he was a Senator and only allowed to view in a SCIF.  And he wasn't treated the same as Trump.  No one raided the THREE separate locations where he was storing this stuff.  No one has raided UPENN where he still has hundreds of boxes of stuff from his time in office.  You guys make up any excuse you want but pretendeding these cases have been treated the same just shows your partisanship.

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Since we want to be technical about it.  An argument can, and will be, made that Trump was allowed to have those documents.

No argument can be made for Hilary or Joe.  They 100% had those illegally.  Giving them back is some strange morale out for liberals that doesn't exist. 

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2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Biden is still under investigation for this BTW. 

I can’t keep explaining the same shet over and over again. What occurred here is not the same. 

For you to get the “Trump Experience” or the “Hillary Experience” your actions have to rise to that.

Treating these documents recklessly is not judged the same as going out of your way to interfere with their retrieval, lying about having them, moving them around to hide them, showing them off like props, etc.

I agree it would be nice if everyone in DC who had these handled them properly. 

Stop with the comparing of Biden and Pence (and countless others) with Trump or Hillary for that matter.

You can defend Biden to your hearts content.  I will not defend either Biden OR Trump.

What is being done to Trump is fine by me, not giving me that on others......is a problem for me.  I care nothing about this us/them thing you all love to swim in.....get them all.....ALL OF THEM....equally.... that is all I ask and I think that is a simple thing to do. 

 

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9 minutes ago, Strike said:

One major difference is Trump was President.  Biden wasn't when he committed the crime.  Some of the stuff he had in his garage was from the 70s when he was a Senator and only allowed to view in a SCIF.  And he wasn't treated the same as Trump.  No one raided the THREE separate locations where he was storing this stuff.  No one has raided UPENN where he still has hundreds of boxes of stuff from his time in office.  You guys make up any excuse you want but pretendeding these cases have been treated the same just shows your partisanship.

Trump’s places were raided because they believed he was lying and they had tapes.

Biden agreed to have his houses searched.

This is all Trump’s fault. It’s not hard.

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Just now, RLLD said:

You can defend Biden to your hearts content.  I will not defend either Biden OR Trump.

What is being done to Trump is fine by me, not giving me that on others......is a problem for me.  I care nothing about this us/them thing you all love to swim in.....get them all.....ALL OF THEM....equally.... that is all I ask and I think that is a simple thing to do. 

 

These circumstances are not good ones to complain about unfair treatment, weaponization of the FBI, or what ever is always being gone on about.

Trump is so dumb and sloppy that he makes it easy. He then acts the victim because it’s never his fault.

Again…Trump is being charged with obstruction, lying to investigators, and the espionage act (for willfully holding these documents). That is what he did allegedly. 

If Biden is found to have done this then by all means have at it.

 

[RLLD 4,183]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

These circumstances are not good ones to complain about unfair treatment, weaponization of the FBI, or what ever is always being gone on about.

Trump is so dumb and sloppy that he makes it easy. He then acts the victim because it’s never his fault.

Again…Trump is being charged with obstruction, lying to investigators, and the espionage act (for willfully holding these documents). That is what he did allegedly. 

If Biden is found to have done this then by all means have at it.

 

I do not care about Trump......he is being held accountable, and I am satisfied with the level of accountability. Regardless of his response......you DO NOT get a free ride because you were "more cooperative", nope that is not how justice works. 

I am less happy about the "qualified immunity" that arises for others. 

We cannot continue to allow clear corruption, be it from the President or the DOJ....and everything we see is implicit suggestion of corruption being allowed.  

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2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I do not care about Trump......he is being held accountable, and I am satisfied with the level of accountability. Regardless of his response......you DO NOT get a free ride because you were "more cooperative", nope that is not how justice works. 

I am less happy about the "qualified immunity" that arises for others. 

We cannot continue to allow clear corruption, be it from the President or the DOJ....and everything we see is implicit suggestion of corruption being allowed.  

What ever the penalty is for Biden or Pence or whoever in having docs kept in your house by accident or being dumb or what have you, I agree let them make that case and give them their penalties. Pence has already been cleared. 

Thank you for saying Trump deserves the treatment he is getting, and that he is not a victim. This is his doing. He’s pretty clearly guilty of obstructing.

You absolutely get more trouble if you don’t cooperated and actively work to obstruct. That’s the whole point. The audacity this ball bag has to say he’s a victim, while not surprising, is why he is so reviled.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,173]

51 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

They took them back, he was trying to move them, keep them, etc.

Right, so they got them back. Espionage!