1.2MILLION US-born workers lost their jobs last month - replaced by 688,000 foreign-born workers

[BuckSwope 654]

8 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

What specific jobs are foreigners being "brought" in here for?

Voting Democrat, of course!

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

26 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

What specific jobs are foreigners being "brought" in here for?

Are you kidding me? We bring in a million legal immigrants a year. Corporations sponsor them. Clueless. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

Zero concern about already undereducated kids that can’t speak English being enrolled in schools. So the teacher gets to spend most of their time on them and not American kids. Districts have to hire multitudes of ESL teachers to deal with them, at a cost to the taxpayers in those districts. You people are willfully ignorant.  

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Are you kidding me? We bring in a million legal immigrants a year. Corporations sponsor them. Clueless. 

You didn't answer the question.

[Mike Hunt 282]

2 hours ago, BuckSwope said:

It frustrates me to no end that all the finger pointing in the OP is about Biden and the border.   Of course that's a piece of it, but there is never any talk about who is hiring them and why.    Sorry, I will keep saying it - if there weren't jobs for them, they wouldn't be here.  I read that article and think about the whys of the hiring process, not border walls.   

@Hawkeye21 - pointed out that he sees people leaving their jobs they don't like and foreigners taking them.  I think there is a bit of that, but also it's about our profits over people mentality that NEVER gets talked about.  Sorry, we can't have both at the same time.   I see people actively choosing to hire them because they are cheaper, it's not because Americans won't do the job.   I see people using crews of foreigners for housing project instead of a more expensive local contractor.    Less than 5 years ago our staff was 2-3 workers from south of the border, now our kitchen staff and a few front position are ESL.   There are many reasons for this - ease, can pay them less on average, etc.  Landlords around here are perfectly happy with them because they can charge more rent.   Again, we yell at Biden about the border, but don't yell at the landlords choosing to rent to the immigrants instead because they know there will probably be a steady client base and they can charge a little more.  

This is why I largely shake my head about the complaints at the border - we want to have our cake and eat it too.   We want all the cheap stuff and high profits, which we are getting by hiring illegals. 

 

Tim goes to Home Depot and hires illegals in the parking lot. Pays them by the day, no worries about bennies, unemployment claims or workmans comp. 

Small business owners don`t care if they can get cheap labor. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

9 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You didn't answer the question.

Tech jobs for starters. Happy? I have to explain this to you? Yet you still run your mouth. 

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Tech jobs for starters. Happy? I have to explain this to you? Yet you still run your mouth. 

No, I'm trying to get you to back up what you're saying.  You would do the same to me.

You're saying the US is illegally bringing in immigrants to take over tech jobs?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

No, I'm trying to get you to back up what you're saying.  You would do the same to me.

You're saying the US is illegally bringing in immigrants to take over tech jobs?

Yeah, that’s what I said a few posts up. Got me. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

Hawkeye, another extremely ignorant liberal, is talking about immigration yet he doesn’t know what a HB-1 visa is. 

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Hawkeye, another extremely ignorant liberal, is talking about immigration yet he doesn’t know what a HB-1 visa is. 

What are you talking about?

You've never been able to explain what makes me a liberal.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

6 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

What are you talking about?

You've never been able to explain what makes me a liberal.

I said you were ignorant. 

[BuckSwope 654]

24 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

 

Tim goes to Home Depot and hires illegals in the parking lot. Pays them by the day, no worries about bennies, unemployment claims or workmans comp. 

Small business owners don`t care if they can get cheap labor. 

Of course he does.  pos move that I highly disagree with, but that is our economy and that happens a lot in very key industries.  

Why do people not turn a fraction of that anger to the companies that do the same all over the country?  Your last sentence applies to our country as a whole- we don't care as long as stuff is cheap and profits are maxed.  

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

I said you were ignorant. 

Are you qualifying yourself as a liberal now?  I didn't realize we had so many liberals here.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Are you qualifying yourself as a liberal now?  I didn't realize we had so many liberals here.

The playground called. They want their “I know you are but what am I” retort back. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

3 hours ago, Casual Observer said:

No, I'd like to talk about not letting foreigners in to take American jobs and levying tariffs on cheap foreign goods so that domestic industries don't have to compete against slave labor, not your communist bullshiot.  Do you think expanding worker benefits at home helps businesses compete against cheap foreign goods? What planet are you from?

What effect does raising tariffs have on cost of the product and more importantly to this hiring in say a service industry or agricultural job paying 10 bucks an hour?

Regarding CEO pay you think that this is reasonable: Link

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

1 hour ago, Mike Hunt said:

 

Tim goes to Home Depot and hires illegals in the parking lot. Pays them by the day, no worries about bennies, unemployment claims or workmans comp. 

Small business owners don`t care if they can get cheap labor. 

Yes I do 3-4 times a year what literally thousands of Americans do every day. I don’t see anything wrong with it. 

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

Of course he does.  pos move that I highly disagree with, but that is our economy and that happens a lot in very key industries.  

Why do people not turn a fraction of that anger to the companies that do the same all over the country?  Your last sentence applies to our country as a whole- we don't care as long as stuff is cheap and profits are maxed.  

I don’t understand why you describe this as a pos move. And even if for some reason it was, please explain what my alternative would be. Sometimes I need day labor. Where else am I to find it? 

[HellToupee 1,778]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t understand why you describe this as a pos move. And even if for some reason it was, please explain what my alternative would be. Sometimes I need day labor. Where else am I to find it? 

You exploit them for cheap labor . You are part of the reason they come. You play a part in the  horrors that  women & children suffer . You are just as much to blame as fat cats and greedy pols.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

Just now, HellToupee said:

You exploit them for cheap labor . You are part of the reason they come. You play a part in the  horrors that  women & children suffer . You are just as much to blame as fat cats and greedy pols.

Real Tim won’t even take one in. He’s ok with them sleeping on the street or prostituting themselves. Thinks he’s the moral one with his “right side of history “ bullshit. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Zero concern about already undereducated kids that can’t speak English being enrolled in schools. So the teacher gets to spend most of their time on them and not American kids. Districts have to hire multitudes of ESL teachers to deal with them, at a cost to the taxpayers in those districts. You people are willfully ignorant.  

Crickets. Where my Libtards at defending this? 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

8 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

You exploit them for cheap labor . You are part of the reason they come. You play a part in the  horrors that  women & children suffer . You are just as much to blame as fat cats and greedy pols.

They come here voluntarily, because it's better than where they are.  Migrants than come here are being exploited and women and children suffer horrors?  I thought they were getting free hotels, free healthcare, free school and you guys were against that.  You make zero sense.

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

11 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

You exploit them for cheap labor . You are part of the reason they come. You play a part in the  horrors that  women & children suffer . You are just as much to blame as fat cats and greedy pols.

I find this argument to be absurd and irrational. And I don’t exploit anyone. When I hire day labor, I describe the job needed, they quote me a price, and I pay it. Sometimes I dicker for a few bucks, most times I simply agree. You’ll have to explain where the exploitation is. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

6 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

They come here voluntarily, because it's better than where they are.  Migrants than come here are being exploited and women and children suffer horrors?  I thought they were getting free hotels, free healthcare, free school and you guys were against that.  You make zero sense.

Two things can be true at the same time, simple jack. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Two things can be true at the same time, simple jack. 

Not in this case.  You can't cry about all the illegals coming into the US and being taken care of and getting free stuff, and then say that by supporting them financially you exploit them and play a part in their horror of living here.  You just like to cry about everything.

[seafoam1 3,031]

18 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I find this argument to be absurd and irrational. 

But you are wrong. 

[BuckSwope 654]

42 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t understand why you describe this as a pos move. And even if for some reason it was, please explain what my alternative would be. Sometimes I need day labor. Where else am I to find it? 

I don't know 100% the details of your business, but it would take a lot of convincing on your part to get me to believe you have 0 other options - for starters, is there a reason you have to use illegals for day labor?  No temp agencies, homeless shelters, veteran outreach you could do?   Not willing or can't take the prospect of less profits??

But again, Tim - I disagree with it but I am a realist and understand this is at the core of our economy in the US.    Where you differ from people in here and largely the right is that you do these things but talk about a more open border.   You don't puff our your chest and talk about a strong border while participating in this side of the problem.   I find the right to be quite hypocritical on this issue.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

19 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Not in this case.  You can't cry about all the illegals coming into the US and being taken care of and getting free stuff, and then say that by supporting them financially you exploit them and play a part in their horror of living here.  You just like to cry about everything.

You just like to argue everything.  Unless you don’t know about what happens on the journey here? And I don’t think people that snuck in are going to sign up for benefits. If you were  unaware, you are now. So shut your ignorant mouth. 

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

5 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I don't know 100% the details of your business, but it would take a lot of convincing on your part to get me to believe you have 0 other options - for starters, is there a reason you have to use illegals for day labor?  No temp agencies, homeless shelters, veteran outreach you could do?   Not willing or can't take the prospect of less profits??

But again, Tim - I disagree with it but I am a realist and understand this is at the core of our economy in the US.    Where you differ from people in here and largely the right is that you do these things but talk about a more open border.   You don't puff our your chest and talk about a strong border while participating in this side of the problem.   I find the right to be quite hypocritical on this issue.  

I have no idea if I use illegals. I don’t ask. I assume some are. 
 

The people I use are readily available to me. I know where to find them and they advertise by posting signs saying they are ready to work for day labor. If there are other options I am unaware of it. Certainly I don’t have the time to go looking. 
 

As far as homeless people go- I try to help them whenever I can. But I don’t hire them. The simple truth is I don’t trust them. And, frankly, I do t want them on my properties for a variety of reasons. 

[BuckSwope 654]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

I have no idea if I use illegals. I don’t ask. I assume some are. 
 

The people I use are readily available to me. I know where to find them and they advertise by posting signs saying they are ready to work for day labor. If there are other options I am unaware of it. Certainly I don’t have the time to go looking. 
 

As far as homeless people go- I try to help them whenever I can. But I don’t hire them. The simple truth is I don’t trust them. And, frankly, I do t want them on my properties for a variety of reasons. 

You do, and you know it.  Just be honest.   Because you aren't asking doesn't mean you aren't and are ignorant about it.   

100% we (company, I mean.  I don't do any hiring here) have hired some here too.   Again, it's that game we all play in the name of business and profits.    Sure, we ask for papers and they present the papers, but there are times we "know" they aren't on the up and up.   Same with you, and you know by the way you get your help you are waaaaay more likely to be hiring illegals than businesses doing what we do.  

[seafoam1 3,031]

33 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I have no idea if I use illegals. I don’t ask. I assume some are. 
 

The people I use are readily available to me. I know where to find them and they advertise by posting signs saying they are ready to work for day labor. If there are other options I am unaware of it. Certainly I don’t have the time to go looking. 
 

As far as homeless people go- I try to help them whenever I can. But I don’t hire them. The simple truth is I don’t trust them. And, frankly, I do t want them on my properties for a variety of reasons. 

 What a shltbag.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

Let’s see, there are moving companies for hire, and outfits like 1-800-Got Junk for hire. I’d say those two could do whatever jobs Tim needs doing. But those employees get health benefits and social security, and pass the cost on to the customer. Costs more. Now that Tims dilemma is solved, I wonder what he’ll opt for? The one that costs but benefits the worker, or the one that’s cheaper and benefits him? 

[iam90sbaby 2,611]

Like I said, we let too many in legally not just illegally. I'd actually argue the ones we let in legally are a much bigger problem. Too many righties focused on the wrong things.

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

If I hire a company like 1-800 Got Junk chances are they are using illegals as well, and charging me more as a middleman. That’s just stupid for a 2-3 hour job. Plus these are common area fees which are passed on to the small business tenants. 
 

Some of you have no focking idea how business actually works. You claim to be conservatives, what a joke. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

If I hire a company like 1-800 Got Junk chances are they are using illegals as well, and charging me more as a middleman. That’s just stupid for a 2-3 hour job. Plus these are common area fees which are passed on to the small business tenants. 
 

Some of you have no focking idea how business actually works. You claim to be conservatives, what a joke. 

The same people that claim to be pro-capitalism, pro-trump, pro-conservative, anti-regulation are giving you sh1t for utilizing cheap labor to increase margin for your business.

You can't make this stuff up.  Bunch of clowns.  They just say stuff.

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

The same people that claim to be pro-capitalism, pro-trump, pro-conservative, anti-regulation are giving you sh1t for utilizing cheap labor to increase margin for your business.

You can't make this stuff up.  Bunch of clowns.  They just say stuff.

Right. You know who has spent his career actually exploiting illegals? Donald Trump. 

[HellToupee 1,778]

2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

They come here voluntarily, because it's better than where they are.  Migrants than come here are being exploited and women and children suffer horrors?  I thought they were getting free hotels, free healthcare, free school and you guys were against that.  You make zero sense.

Hey forker they get raped 

 

https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/10/21/us-records-show-physical-sexual-abuse-border

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna2300
 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/03/us/border-rapes-migrant-women.html

 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

3 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Hey forker they get raped 

 

https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/10/21/us-records-show-physical-sexual-abuse-border

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna2300
 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/03/us/border-rapes-migrant-women.html

 

and Tim is responsible for this because he hires a few from the home depot?

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

1 minute ago, HellToupee said:

Hey forker they get raped 

 

https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/10/21/us-records-show-physical-sexual-abuse-border

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna2300
 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/03/us/border-rapes-migrant-women.html

 

None of that would happen if we had a better way for them to come here legally. 
 

I challenge that you really give a damn about the welfare of these women. If you did, you wouldn’t offer a solution of simply walling off the border and deporting anyone already here. 

[HellToupee 1,778]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

and Tim is responsible for this because he hires a few from the home depot?

He’s part of the problem. He most definitely is. 

[HellToupee 1,778]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

challenge that you really give a damn about the welfare of these women

holy chit this is funny coming from you