Can anyone say how the whole "January 6 thing" was worse than the 2020 riots?

[jerryskids 6,799]

22 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I get it as it relates to cops murdering blacks, but there is a large gap between harassment and murder.  Cops treat blacks different than whites, unfairly.  Cops are "more mean" to blacks than whites, based on feedback from black people themselves.  RLLD said there are stats that refute this, but can't back it up.  Do you have anything?  RLLD also says it's not true, it's just democrats going around telling black people that cops treat them differently, which is just absurd, and of course has nothing to back up such a ridiculous statement.

Here are some actual poll results that back up what I'm saying. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/06/03/10-things-we-know-about-race-and-policing-in-the-u-s/

I don't believe there are any stats out there that show that cops are more mean to blacks than whites, or that it's false, which is why I asked.  There probably are stats that show that blacks are more likely to get pulled over, or more likely to be searched, or stopped, or questioned, etc.

Blacks say they are treated worse than whites?  And whites say the same?  How could they possibly make such a comparison.  Seems to me they are regurgitating what the media tells them.

To that end, I do not have that data, nor did I mean to imply that I did.  I presume there is data on the last paragraph list of yours.  If you find it though, make sure you cross-reference it with actual crimes statistics.  If people are pulled over more but found to have committed crimes at a comparable rate, it's not racism.

I don't want to get sucked into this at the moment; my post was specific to the shooting of unarmed, complicit black citizens, which is statistically non-existant.

[TheNewGirl 1,491]

11 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

 

Pimpadeaux wins again.

I love it when people proclaim themselves as the winner. 

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Well I'm not going to waste 17 mins after you already wasted 8, but I can assume it talks about how many blacks are killed by cops and how the number is less than people think.  That's fine.

I'll go back to your statement that cops treat whites and blacks the same, and you have stats to back that up.  I asked for the stats.  Your video shows they don't murder as many blacks as we thought, but it's still more than whites, as % of population.  Again, that's murder.  Large gap between harassment and murder.

So when black people tell you that they get harassed more than whites, you tell them they are wrong, they're just being told that lie by Democrats.  Am I right?

Great points!  I know this is another one of the darling arguments.  And where we have seen police lessen their involvement, to avoid hurting peoples feelings by engaging with them....what happened?

Let's just use one example, though there are more, and what you find is that not policing as they should, and yes that means engaging with people, results in the good people being harmed more emphatically by the criminal elements not being dealt with. So who is helped and who is harmed when police are told to avoid hurting their wittul feewings.... the good people are hurt and the criminals are helped.

Its not that complex. So yeah, there is a cultural problem in the AA community that does not simply allow criminal activity, it celebrates it. And then you have ruinous policies that pretend the police are the problem, and then you have AA communitiers being ravaged....

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Just now, TheNewGirl said:

I love it when people proclaim themselves as the winner. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Great points!  I know this is another one of the darling arguments.  And where we have seen police lessen their involvement, to avoid hurting peoples feelings by engaging with them....what happened?

Let's just use one example, though there are more, and what you find is that not policing as they should, and yes that means engaging with people, results in the good people being harmed more emphatically by the criminal elements not being dealt with. So who is helped and who is harmed when police are told to avoid hurting their wittul feewings.... the good people are hurt and the criminals are helped.

Its not that complex. So yeah, there is a cultural problem in the AA community that does not simply allow criminal activity, it celebrates it. And then you have ruinous policies that pretend the police are the problem, and then you have AA communitiers being ravaged....

Alright, so the problem isn't the police, it's the blacks because they celebrate criminal activity.  The police simply have no choice.

We're done here.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

6 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

I love it when people proclaim themselves as the winner. 

That guy ain’t winning shitt. He’s 60 years old on his third wife and lives with a herd of cats and sells insurance. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

26 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

MAGAturds all too often let hyperbole get in the way of facts and reality.

One would need a massive chainsaw to cut through the irony of this statement.

[TheNewGirl 1,491]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

They guy ain’t winning shitt. He’s 60 years old on his third wife and lives with a herd of cats and sells insurance. 

I just I just find it ironic is all. 

IDGAF what Rusty does with his life. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

7 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

He didn't say ALL, he said MOST, and yes MOST conspiracy theories are driven by the Trump alt-right.

LOL

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Alright, so the problem isn't the police, it's the blacks because they celebrate criminal activity.  The police simply have no choice.

We're done here.

Not yet!  There is more.

There is a finite segment of the AA community falling victim to the ongoing manipulative lies being espoused by media and politicians, and it is in those areas where we need to roll up our sleeves and get to work.  The problem is not that big, it is not that hard to fix, but it will require policy changes, better recruitment and better training, and then more community support.  

We can do this together, this is not an insurmountable hill to climb....but we have to stop lying first, unless we do that, even moving up that hill cannot begin.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Blacks say they are treated worse than whites?  And whites say the same?  How could they possibly make such a comparison.  Seems to me they are regurgitating what the media tells them.

Yeah listen up black people.  You're not being treated unfairly at all.  There is no bias. It's just the Democrats and the media telling you that.  The police treat everyone the same.  I don't care what you think, you're wrong.  Trust me, I'm white, I went to an Ivy League school.  You just need to stop celebrating all this crime you commit and work a little harder.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That guy ain’t winning shitt. He’s 60 years old on his third wife and lives with a herd of cats and sells insurance. 

First time you made me laugh, congrats.

[seafoam1 3,025]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Yeah listen up black people.  You're not being treated unfairly at all.  There is no bias. It's just the Democrats and the media telling you that.  The police treat everyone the same.  I don't care what you think, you're wrong.  Trust me, I'm white, I went to an Ivy League school.  You just need to stop celebrating all this crime you commit and work a little harder.

Correct. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Well, it’s not going to get any better. The poverty rate for children has more than doubled under Bidenomics. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

First time you made me laugh, congrats.

[seafoam1 3,025]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Yeah listen up black people.  You're not being treated unfairly at all.  There is no bias. It's just the Democrats and the media telling you that.  The police treat everyone the same.  I don't care what you think, you're wrong.  Trust me, I'm white, I went to an Ivy League school.  You just need to stop celebrating all this crime you commit and work a little harder.

Tell me about your black friends and how they are mistreated.

[jerryskids 6,799]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Yeah listen up black people.  You're not being treated unfairly at all.  There is no bias. It's just the Democrats and the media telling you that.  The police treat everyone the same.  I don't care what you think, you're wrong.  Trust me, I'm white, I went to an Ivy League school.  You just need to stop celebrating all this crime you commit and work a little harder.

My question was:  how does a black/white person know how white/black people are treated by police?  I suppose there could be some mixed race encounters where the cops tell the white suspects to leave so that they can abuse the negroes.  But otherwise, with what life experiences can they make that claim?

If you lack the ability to process this, let me know and I'll move on.   

[GutterBoy 2,899]

9 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

My question was:  how does a black/white person know how white/black people are treated by police?  I suppose there could be some mixed race encounters where the cops tell the white suspects to leave so that they can abuse the negroes.  But otherwise, with what life experiences can they make that claim?

If you lack the ability to process this, let me know and I'll move on.   

Because people talk to each other maybe?  Hey Kayvon, why were you late today?  Oh Daniel, it was rough man, I keep getting pulled over and questioned for no reason.  That sucks Kayvon, I never get pulled over and I speed all the time.  Cops just wave to me.  Damn Danny, I wish I was that lucky.  I wonder why I get treated differently....

[RLLD 4,230]

17 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

My question was:  how does a black/white person know how white/black people are treated by police?  I suppose there could be some mixed race encounters where the cops tell the white suspects to leave so that they can abuse the negroes.  But otherwise, with what life experiences can they make that claim?

If you lack the ability to process this, let me know and I'll move on.   

The entire premise is based on an assumption from the behaviors of people who are all dead now.  So right now police today, you and I as well, are being judged by our color and by people who held our occupation or color in the past. If that sounds stupid and racist, its only because it is. 

[seafoam1 3,025]

5 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Because people talk to each other maybe?  Hey Kayvon, why were you late today?  Oh Daniel, it was rough man, I keep getting pulled over and questioned for no reason.  That sucks Kayvon, I never get pulled over and I speed all the time.  Cops just wave to me.  Damn Danny, I wish I was that lucky.  I wonder why I get treated differently....

Tell us about your black friends and the abuse they get. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

31 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

I love it when people proclaim themselves as the winner. 

There's that nasty again. You just can't help yourself. If I responded in kind, you'd just go into your butthurt victim wounded-animal mode.

I'd love nothing more than for you to actually not give a fock and pretend I don't exist, but you can't help yourself.

You remind me of a story a Scuba diver once told me, about putting a shining knife handle-down in the sand and watching a barracuda relentlessly attack it, tearing himself to shreds in the process.

But by all means keep showing me how much you DGAF, Tabitha.

 

 

[seafoam1 3,025]

Just now, Pimpadeaux said:

There's that nasty again. You just can't help yourself. If I responded in kind, you'd just go into your butthurt victim wounded-animal mode.

I'd love nothing more than for you to actually not give a fock and pretend I don't exist, but you can't help yourself.

You remind me of a story a Scuba diver once told me, about putting a shining knife handle-down in the sand and watching a barracuda relentlessly attack it, tearing himself to shreds in the process.

But by all means keep showing me how much you DGAF, Tabitha.

 

 

This makes zero sense. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Just now, Pimpadeaux said:

There's that nasty again. You just can't help yourself. If I responded in kind, you'd just go into your butthurt victim wounded-animal mode.

I'd love nothing more than for you to actually not give a fock and pretend I don't exist, but you can't help yourself.

You remind me of a story a Scuba diver once told me, about putting a shining knife handle-down in the sand and watching a barracuda relentlessly attack it, tearing himself to shreds in the process.

But by all means keep showing me how much you DGAF, Tabitha.

 

 

It was a joke you drama queen.

[TheNewGirl 1,491]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

It was a joke you drama queen.

Thank you. 

 

[OldMaid 2,130]

1 hour ago, Pimpadeaux said:

You remind me of a story a Scuba diver once told me, about putting a shining knife handle-down in the sand and watching a barracuda relentlessly attack it, tearing himself to shreds in the process.

And you remind me of an old Geek Club adage: Never stick your d!ck in crazy.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

4 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

And you remind me of an old Geek Club adage: Never stick your d!ck in crazy.

If it sells Whole Life, it's ROONED!@#$

[Mike Honcho 5,281]

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Can anyone say how the whole "January 6 thing" was worse than the 2020 riots?

how the whole January 6 thing was worse than the 2020 riots. 

 

[seafoam1 3,025]

2 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

The January 6 thing was worse than the 2020 riots. 

 

How?

[BuckSwope 654]

3 hours ago, TheNewGirl said:

Tell that to the many businesses that werent' able to rebuild after they were destroyed. 

I think you misread my post. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

If it sells Whole Life, it's ROONED!@#$

In your case, it would be Quarter Life.

[BuckSwope 654]

7 hours ago, RLLD said:

I think there is an argument to be made on that point. I do think methods should always be under review for improvement. And some cops definitely need refresher training. There are bad cops, and when we find them they should not enjoy protection.

If you decide to enter into your engagement with law enforcement based on previous experience, or some historical context, instead of approaching it as the current situation in isolation....you might have a negative outcome.

 

But they won't, because it has turned into a revenue source for way too many cities.   A lot of this info was coming to light after Ferguson and from those studies and others.  I don't think it's some cops, it's the way we police.  

If you didn't see the discussion elsewhere, what I mean is that it was shown that stopping cars randomly and looking for drugs and guns was an effective tool for police to use...... but only in certain areas and certain times.   50% of crime in a city is concentrated to areas as small as a few streets or blocks, and often at certain time, for example.   But, that tactic is overused even in those areas, and it quickly becomes and irritant to the population when they are getting pulled over for random sh1t.  Also, it's unsafe - especially for cops because it ramps up their encounters and also makes it so they are on high alert for drugs/guns and have to be extra cautious and treat each encounter like one of those is a very real possibility. 

However, that cat is out of the bag, and we largely have seen our police force use this form of policing in a widespread way.   Why would the cities get away from that when the revenue from tickets and infractions are rolling in?   Hell, crime might be also going down in some of those areas that needed it, but in other places they could be doing more harm than good, and it's a big reason why tensions are where they are and a segment of the population feels targeted.   

 

[BuckSwope 654]

4 hours ago, RLLD said:

Great points!  I know this is another one of the darling arguments.  And where we have seen police lessen their involvement, to avoid hurting peoples feelings by engaging with them....what happened?

Let's just use one example, though there are more, and what you find is that not policing as they should, and yes that means engaging with people, results in the good people being harmed more emphatically by the criminal elements not being dealt with. So who is helped and who is harmed when police are told to avoid hurting their wittul feewings.... the good people are hurt and the criminals are helped.

Its not that complex. So yeah, there is a cultural problem in the AA community that does not simply allow criminal activity, it celebrates it. And then you have ruinous policies that pretend the police are the problem, and then you have AA communitiers being ravaged....

To me, this is a perfect example of what I am talking about but you still don't seem to see how it might affect black communities.   From what I posted above, two things could be true:

1.  That level of policing or more is needed for those small %  of areas/times.   

2.  90% of the city feels like they are being over policed, harrassed, etc.  as they are being pulled over too often.   

 

So if a city decides to defund police, it's probably in a general way - so those 90% might be a little happier, but crime is rising because #1 isn't addressed.  Which, IMO is what you see with an example like yours. 

[BuckSwope 654]

4 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well, it’s not going to get any better. The poverty rate for children has more than doubled under Bidenomics. 

Yeah, he took away those socialist programs we had during covid to help with issues like that.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

18 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Yeah, he took away those socialist programs we had during covid to help with issues like that.  

Right. The cost of everyday goods for people living on the poverty line had nothing to do with it. 

[BuckSwope 654]

12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Right. The cost of everyday goods for people living on the poverty line had nothing to do with it. 

Of course it does.  Do you think those previous programs were also helping childhood poverty? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

8 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Of course it does.  Do you think those previous programs were also helping childhood poverty? 

So why didn’t the democrat controlled congress and Biden re-up them? I guess they had other priorities. So not  only did Biden take away the programs helping them in favor of his “inflation reduction act” , he whacked them again with high prices. He’s doing a great job. But if the poor kids want to get mutilated, he has their back. 

[BuckSwope 654]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So why didn’t the democrat controlled congress and Biden re-up them? I guess they had other priorities. So not  only did Biden take away the programs helping them in favor of his “inflation reduction act” , he whacked them again with high prices. He’s doing a great job. But if the poor kids want to get mutilated, he has their back. 

I don't know, but I didn't agree with the move.   

At least I know you are for some socialist programs though, Commie.   

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

51 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I don't know, but I didn't agree with the move.   

At least I know you are for some socialist programs though, Commie.   

Less taxes isn’t very communist. If corporate America and wall street can get tax credits, so can the people. Nice try. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

6 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That guy ain’t winning shitt. He’s 60 years old on his third wife and lives with a herd of cats and sells insurance. 

One thing I won't be winning is the leaderboard for having the most posts, ya focking creepy Internet stalker loser.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Just now, Pimpadeaux said:

One thing I won't be winning is the leaderboard for having the most posts, ya focking creepy Internet stalker loser.

We’ll never know. You have 50 different aliases. We’ll call it a draw, loser. Lol.