Why Won't Democrats Protect Kids?

[seafoam1 1,879]

1 minute ago, League Champion said:

So you approve cutting off CHILDRENS GENITALIA because they are confused? 

That dude doesn't want people to be aware of what he supports. 

[Sean Mooney 1,184]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I see your point.   I might suggest that we all bear a measure of responsibility to stand up for children, not unlike the narrative used in association with historically disenfranchised communities.

It might be true that we can care about something, regardless of the context, without having to entirely defend that.....though we should be able to I guess.

I see nothing wrong with protecting children, and it does seem that there is some justification behind protecting a child from life-altering surgery.....

You will never see me defending a person under the age of 18 getting gender reassignment, or life-altering, surgery. That's way too far for me. Now- if a parent decides to sign off on their kid getting that surgery at like 15..I disagree with it, but that is a personal decision they all made together. 

I have no problem with the LGBTQ+ spectrum of people. Different strokes for different folks. I don't get it all- but I don't need to. Obviously I'm against pedophilia but I'm also against this idea that "if you aren't as loud as me in your outrage you are for it." It's idiotic when LC does it. It's idiotic when liberals do it with racial issues.  The world is not an either/or proposition and is full of nuance. Far more nuance than the Internet can provide and far more nuance than just going to X and scrolling for hours a day finding chopped up clips to be outraged over. 

And I'd hope we could all agree that saying "my greatest hope" is those kids committing suicide is many bridges too far. 

[League Champion 1,593]

Just now, RLLD said:

its perverse

Extremely. Kids are supposed to be confused, they're Kids. Chopping off a child's genitals holds a serious serious consequence. 

[League Champion 1,593]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

You will never see me defending a person under the age of 18 getting gender reassignment, or life-altering, surgery.

That's the whole point idiot!!! 

So you agree with me? Why are you upset then? 

[Sean Mooney 1,184]

6 minutes ago, League Champion said:

So you approve cutting off CHILDRENS GENITALIA because they are confused? 

I've literally never said that. 

Why are you so obsessed with kids sexual orientations?

[RLLD 3,455]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

You will never see me defending a person under the age of 18 getting gender reassignment, or life-altering, surgery. That's way too far for me. Now- if a parent decides to sign off on their kid getting that surgery at like 15..I disagree with it, but that is a personal decision they all made together. 

I have no problem with the LGBTQ+ spectrum of people. Different strokes for different folks. I don't get it all- but I don't need to. Obviously I'm against pedophilia but I'm also against this idea that "if you aren't as loud as me in your outrage you are for it." It's idiotic when LC does it. It's idiotic when liberals do it with racial issues.  The world is not an either/or proposition and is full of nuance. Far more nuance than the Internet can provide and far more nuance than just going to X and scrolling for hours a day finding chopped up clips to be outraged over. 

And I'd hope we could all agree that saying "my greatest hope" is those kids committing suicide is many bridges too far. 

Thanks for your forthright reply, I tend to see this less often than I prefer.

I think your point about the parent making the decision likely affords us the best option. I lament parents that get caught up in this unusual social hysteria and consent to their kids being "modified".  But being a parent is often challenging, we all do the best we can, and none of us are perfect.

[Sean Mooney 1,184]

1 minute ago, League Champion said:

That's the whole point idiot!!! 

So you agree with me? Why are you upset then? 

I'm questioning your obsession. 

Just now, RLLD said:

Thanks for your forthright reply, I tend to see this less often than I prefer.

I think your point about the parent making the decision likely affords us the best option. I lament parents that get caught up in this unusual social hysteria and consent to their kids being "modified".  But being a parent is often challenging, we all do the best we can, and none of us are perfect.

I'm always honest about my opinions. I've said this before as well- I may disagree with you often on things but I always appreciate that you are at least thought out in your beliefs and can have a true back and forth as opposed to what the rest of the people who might align with you more politically believe passes for discourse. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,670]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I am allowing that there are probably some kids in a unique situation whereby having this life-changing surgery is perhaps a good and helpful thing.

The problem we have is the enhancement of it, and its over-use as if it can or should be applied more widely to kids having the normal path of self-discovery.

Through the misuse and celebration of this activity we are observing it become a more social phenomenon where people seek it now to elevate themselves within society.....its perverse. 

No. There is never a time when a child would be better served mutilating themselves. What measures are taken to protect other children that are at the risk of suicide that don’t entail gender issues? It’s the depression that’s the issue, treat that. Mutilation as a treatment.  Good god. 

[MDC 5,896]

41 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Another tranny thread and then the second post is a dude hoping kids commit suicide and they think they are the ones "protecting" kids?

Most of the Geeks who start and participate in these threads don’t GAF about the kids, they’re here to slapfight. 

[Sean Mooney 1,184]

2 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Imagine someone (Sean Money) being upset that we want to protect Kids. EVERYONE should want to protect Kids, except for ........ Pedos? 

 

Seriously dude...fook off.

Yuo have a weird obsession and you aren't saying a word about someone who hoped these kids commit suicide. Until you do those things you can continue to operate as the biggest piece of hypocritical garbage here. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,670]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

Most of the Geeks who start and participate in these threads don’t GAF about the kids, they’re here to slapfight. 

Thanks for your unique input once again. Funny coming from the king of slap fights. Even on Christmas.  

[MDC 5,896]

15 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

 

Seriously dude...fook off.

Yuo have a weird obsession and you aren't saying a word about someone who hoped these kids commit suicide. Until you do those things you can continue to operate as the biggest piece of hypocritical garbage here. 

One Geek who is Very Concerned about the kids wished rape on someone’s girl and claimed that my 10 y/o son watches porn.

These aren’t serious people.  

[Hardcore troubadour 12,670]

Just now, MDC said:

One Geek who is Very Concerned about the kids wished rape on someone’s girl and claimed that my 10 y/o son watches porn.

These aren’t serious people.  

You said he does. Your house, your rules. 

[MDC 5,896]

Same Geek insists that it’s disrespectful to use “XMas” instead of “Christmas.” He spends the holiday sissy swordfighting online the way the Good Lord intended.

  

[Hardcore troubadour 12,670]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

Same Geek insists that it’s disrespectful to use “XMas” instead of “Christmas.” He spends the holiday sissy swordfighting online the way the Good Lord intended.

  

Says the all time leader for posting on Christmas. And on fake trips to Dallas. 

[BuckSwope 654]

35 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

You will never see me defending a person under the age of 18 getting gender reassignment, or life-altering, surgery. That's way too far for me. Now- if a parent decides to sign off on their kid getting that surgery at like 15..I disagree with it, but that is a personal decision they all made together. 

I have no problem with the LGBTQ+ spectrum of people. Different strokes for different folks. I don't get it all- but I don't need to. Obviously I'm against pedophilia but I'm also against this idea that "if you aren't as loud as me in your outrage you are for it." It's idiotic when LC does it. It's idiotic when liberals do it with racial issues.  The world is not an either/or proposition and is full of nuance. Far more nuance than the Internet can provide and far more nuance than just going to X and scrolling for hours a day finding chopped up clips to be outraged over. 

And I'd hope we could all agree that saying "my greatest hope" is those kids committing suicide is many bridges too far. 

. This place and the internet in a nutshell.   If you aren't willing to call everyone a racist pedo or post about spilling the blood and Civil War! you are the enemy and 100% supporting it all.  

For a bit it's funny, but then when basically every "discussion" goes to that place, well ... 

 

As to the topic at hand, imo a huge step is an independent psych evaluation.  Often that step is missed OR it's at the same clinics that are designed to affirm and move forward.   That should be built into any policy on the topic.   The right, despite blaming many things on mental illness, don't seem overly interested in funding that or talking about it and the left don't like people telling them some of these troubled kids are in fact not trans and need different care.  So here we are.  

[BuckSwope 654]

9 minutes ago, MDC said:

Same Geek insists that it’s disrespectful to use “XMas” instead of “Christmas.” He spends the holiday sissy swordfighting online the way the Good Lord intended.

  

I must have missed that one. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,670]

1 minute ago, BuckSwope said:

. This place and the internet in a nutshell.   If you aren't willing to call everyone a racist pedo or post about spilling the blood and Civil War! you are the enemy and 100% supporting it all.  

For a bit it's funny, but then when basically every "discussion" goes to that place, well ... 

 

As to the topic at hand, imo a huge step is an independent psych evaluation.  Often that step is missed OR it's at the same clinics that are designed to affirm and move forward.   That should be built into any policy on the topic.   The right, despite blaming many things on mental illness, don't seem overly interested in funding that or talking about it and the left don't like people telling them some of these troubled kids are in fact not trans and need different care.  So here we are.  

Good. Make a choice or Stfu. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,670]

Just now, BuckSwope said:

I must have missed that one. 

It is. I say it. You think misgendering some 15 year old is but that isn’t. 

[MDC 5,896]

7 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I must have missed that one. 

It was a pathetic cry for attention. Even sadder when Tardcore spent the holiday rubbing wieners online like a miserable trolling focktard. 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,670]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

It was a pathetic cry for attention. Even sadder when Tardcore spent the holiday rubbing wieners online like a miserable trolling focktard. 

 

Says the all time leader for posting on Christmas. You must be Ronery. 

[The Real timschochet 2,958]

It remains fascinating to me, and perhaps highly revealing, that this issue is such a dominant topic around here. More threads are devoted to the the subject of transgenderism than any other topic by far. It’s not even particularly close. And almost all of these are started by conservatives who are the ones obviously obsessed with the issue. 

But look at the statistics: about 1.2% to 1.8% of our population identify as transgender. Of these only about 10% have gotten the surgery or plan on it. Of these far less than half are minors. So the numbers are miniscule. Not only are the chances of any of these kids being related to you are extremely low, the chances of one of you  ever encountering one of these kids is extremely low. Yet this subject is the number one topic? 

I suspect that at the bottom of all this lies the same motivation that spurred the anti-gay marriage movement: a deeply rooted, Calvinistic desire to express disgust for the private lives of others which conflicts with an otherwise laudatory libertarian attitude among most conservatives. 

[seafoam1 1,879]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

It remains fascinating to me, and perhaps highly revealing, that this issue is such a dominant topic around here. More threads are devoted to the the subject of transgenderism than any other topic by far. It’s not even particularly close. And almost all of these are started by conservatives who are the ones obviously obsessed with the issue. 

But look at the statistics: about 1.2% to 1.8% of our population identify as transgender. Of these only about 10% have gotten the surgery or plan on it. Of these far less than half are minors. So the numbers are miniscule. Not only are the chances of any of these kids being related to you are extremely low, the chances of one of you  ever encountering one of these kids is extremely low. Yet this subject is the number 

Yeah. You like brushing child abuse under the rug. We get it.

[BuckSwope 654]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

It remains fascinating to me, and perhaps highly revealing, that this issue is such a dominant topic around here. More threads are devoted to the the subject of transgenderism than any other topic by far. It’s not even particularly close. And almost all of these are started by conservatives who are the ones obviously obsessed with the issue. 

But look at the statistics: about 1.2% to 1.8% of our population identify as transgender. Of these only about 10% have gotten the surgery or plan on it. Of these far less than half are minors. So the numbers are miniscule. Not only are the chances of any of these kids being related to you are extremely low, the chances of one of you  ever encountering one of these kids is extremely low. Yet this subject is the number one topic? 

I suspect that at the bottom of all this lies the same motivation that spurred the anti-gay marriage movement: a deeply rooted, Calvinistic desire to express disgust for the private lives of others which conflicts with an otherwise laudatory libertarian attitude among most conservatives. 

I think a lot of it stems from the religious right.  Combine that with the idea and evidence that it's a social contagion and we will all be lbgtq in a couple decades, and I get why it dominates headlines on the right.   Hell, even people like Maher were showing graphs like that and monologing about that.  

For my tastes both sides have lost their mind over the issue.  I think most people if sat down would agree to keep trans women out of women's sports, strong sexual content out of schools, and minors away from permanent changes like hormones and surgery.  

[Patented Phil 825]

6 hours ago, RLLD said:

This is not a real question.   They happily murder children in the womb to avoid inconvenience; and full disclosure I support their stance on this......

They are only too happy to separate children from parents, think the government should hold sway over the rearing of children, and are only too willing to chemically castrate etc.....

The sinister evolution of liberalism by external elements into this Nazi-esque sort of movement is chilling to be sure. 

Great post.  There are people in this very forum who support abortions up until the moment of birth.  Imagine murdering a newly born infant.  I can’t imagine anything more evil.

You don’t reason with monsters like this.

[Patented Phil 825]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I suspect that at the bottom of all this lies the same motivation that spurred the anti-gay marriage movement: a deeply rooted, Calvinistic desire to express disgust for the private lives of others which conflicts with an otherwise laudatory libertarian attitude among most conservatives. 

I think you are completely wrong on this.  People don’t give a shitt what two consenting adults do.  Nobody cares.  Every Conservatives I know defends individual rights like this.  But it obviously helps you to demonize people this way, so keep living in this fallacy.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,534]

22 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I think a lot of it stems from the religious right.  Combine that with the idea and evidence that it's a social contagion and we will all be lbgtq in a couple decades, and I get why it dominates headlines on the right.   Hell, even people like Maher were showing graphs like that and monologing about that.  

For my tastes both sides have lost their mind over the issue.  I think most people if sat down would agree to keep trans women out of women's sports, strong sexual content out of schools, and minors away from permanent changes like hormones and surgery.  

Wait.  protecting children is a religious right thing? 

And the whole LGB thing - yeah, the rate at which this is confusing whole generations of kids (especially young girls) means that your laughing at something that has already come true, you moron. 

[BuckSwope 654]

12 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Wait.  protecting children is a religious right thing? 

And the whole LGB thing - yeah, the rate at which this is confusing whole generations of kids (especially young girls) means that your laughing at something that has already come true, you moron. 

No, "protecting the kids" is now mostly a catch phrase for idiots like you as you protect certain types, but wgaf about others (like the kids south of the border).   I agree with you and others about the issue and minors,  moron. 

The obsession of the lgbtq issue comes from the religious right, which is what my post was referring to.  No, the rate the graph I was referring to hasn't already come true, sheesh you are dumb.   Yes, the % is higher, but for it to be true well over 50% more of the population would have to also turn lgbtq.  I know you would be happy because your obsession with glory holes and dudes taking c0ck would become normalized, but the idea if it is asinine. 

Just once, try to actually read posts and understand what they are saying.  

[RLLD 3,455]

24 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

I think you are completely wrong on this.  People don’t give a shitt what two consenting adults do.  Nobody cares.  Every Conservatives I know defends individual rights like this.  But it obviously helps you to demonize people this way, so keep living in this fallacy.

Agree.  Nobody cares.  And as much as the alphabet soup people like to pretend they are harmed or threatened or mistreated.....we know that is complete BS.....

If they want to love who ever.....so what.....guy wants to wear a dress? have at it...... no one really cares....

Now..... if you turn to me, and get loud or obnoxious or violent because you perceive I have slighted you.....well, sorry about that....but if you dont let it go then fock you.....

If you trot sexuality in front of little kids, then you are a pervert.....  if you compete as a man in a womens sport then you are a focking coward and POS.....

[The Real timschochet 2,958]

1 hour ago, Patented Phil said:

I think you are completely wrong on this.  People don’t give a shitt what two consenting adults do.  Nobody cares.  Every Conservatives I know defends individual rights like this.  But it obviously helps you to demonize people this way, so keep living in this fallacy.

Then please explain why the movement to keep gay marriage illegal lasted so long and was supported by all of the exact same people. 

[seafoam1 1,879]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Then please explain why the movement to keep gay marriage illegal lasted so long and was supported by all of the exact same people. 

It should still be illegal. 

[The Real timschochet 2,958]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

It should still be illegal. 

Hey @Patented Phil - example A why you’re wrong 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,670]

Trans have been around a long, long time. No one cared until they involved kids.  

[The Real timschochet 2,958]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Trans have been around a long, long time. No one cared until they involved kids.  

https://daily.jstor.org/transgender-legal-battles-a-timeline/
 

 

[seafoam1 1,879]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Hey @Patented Phil - example A why you’re wrong 

You should have sent that that to @The Real timschochet

You don't make good points, you make dumb statements. 

[Fireballer 2,385]

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