California to provide all illegal aliens with healthcare coverage January 1st

[The Real timschochet 6,435]

1 hour ago, 5-Points said:

But then you'd have to pay them minimum wage.

 

Also, there is a path to citizenship. It's the same path available to anyone, anywhere in the world. Just because you're within walking distance doesn’t mean you can cut the line. 

1. No. As I’ve explained navy many times I use day laborers as independent contractors. So long as I pay them less than $600 I’m not required to report it. Everything I do is perfectly legal. 

2. That being said, it is true that many unconnected work for wages lower than the legal limit: Which should demonstrate why minimum wage, like tariffs, don’t really work. I would eliminate them if I could. Moat liberals disagree with me on this point but I remain, for the most part, a free market capitalist. 

3. For most undocumented people who have come here across our southern border (which is actually less than half of all undocumented people here) there was no line, there was never a means of coming here legally. They could have waited their entire lives and it never would have happened. It’s really important to understand this fact. 
 

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

They could have waited their entire lives and it never would have happened. It’s really important to understand this fact. 

 

Good, don't want them here 

[seafoam1 2,803]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. No. As I’ve explained navy many times I use day laborers as independent contractors. So long as I pay them less than $600 I’m not required to report it. Everything I do is perfectly legal. 

2. That being said, it is true that many unconnected work for wages lower than the legal limit: Which should demonstrate why minimum wage, like tariffs, don’t really work. I would eliminate them if I could. Moat liberals disagree with me on this point but I remain, for the most part, a free market capitalist. 

3. For most undocumented people who have come here across our southern border (which is actually less than half of all undocumented people here) there was no line, there was never a means of coming here legally. They could have waited their entire lives and it never would have happened. It’s really important to understand this fact. 
 

YOU are the bad guy. 

[The Real timschochet 6,435]

1 minute ago, iam90sbaby said:

Good, don't want them here 

Of course you don’t. At least you’re honest enough to say it. 

[seafoam1 2,803]

Timmy Crotch wants to be China but he's bush league and would get swallowed up there. 

[Dozer FBG 324]

Who the F is going to finish the drywall if we don’t bring In immigrants?

After I retired I started a business building spec homes and flipping houses… 

My first spec I ended up hanging and finishing the entire house myself. And I was willing to pay $25 an hour for any help at all…

Hanging wasn’t too bad, but finishing a 1600 sq ft, 3 BR 2 BA, with a 2 car garage as a M’er F’er…

All the DW contractors I knew were booked for six months or more, and of the locals I hired, one left for lunch on his first day and never came back (poosy) and another guy with some experience called the night before telling me a story about court, probation officers, and meth.

I would venture a guess that there isn’t a single person reading who ever encouraged their kid to persue a career as a construction laborer…

We need labor. Let’s get ‘em in here legally and easily, tax the heck out of them, and move forward.

[seafoam1 2,803]

Just now, Dozer FBG said:

Who the F is going to finish the drywall if we don’t bring In immigrants?

After I retired I started a business building spec homes and flipping houses… 

My first spec I ended up hanging and finishing the entire house myself. And I was willing to pay $25 an hour for any help at all…

Hanging wasn’t too bad, but finishing a 1600 sq ft, 3 BR 2 BA, with a 2 car garage as a M’er F’er…

All the DW contractors I knew were booked for six months or more, and of the locals I hired, one left for lunch on his first day and never came back (poosy) and another guy with some experience called the night before telling me a story about court, probation officers, and meth.

I would venture a guess that there isn’t a single person reading who ever encouraged their kid to persue a career as a construction laborer…

We need labor. Let’s get ‘em in here legally and easily, tax the heck out of them, and move forward.

 This dude is so whacked. Keep it coming....

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8 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

 This dude is so whacked. Keep it coming....

He's clearly posting from an asylum. Probably recently got out of lobotomy surgery, too.

It didn't work.

[5-Points 3,393]

53 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. No. As I’ve explained navy many times I use day laborers as independent contractors. So long as I pay them less than $600 I’m not required to report it. Everything I do is perfectly legal. 

2. That being said, it is true that many unconnected work for wages lower than the legal limit: Which should demonstrate why minimum wage, like tariffs, don’t really work. I would eliminate them if I could. Moat liberals disagree with me on this point but I remain, for the most part, a free market capitalist. 

3. For most undocumented people who have come here across our southern border (which is actually less than half of all undocumented people here) there was no line, there was never a means of coming here legally. They could have waited their entire lives and it never would have happened. It’s really important to understand this fact. 
 

There is a line, they cut it. 

So what? The Engineer from Germany has to wait his turn. So should Pedro from Mexiuagua.

Should we not have a say in who we allow into our country? 

[The Real timschochet 6,435]

1 hour ago, 5-Points said:

There is a line, they cut it. 

So what? The Engineer from Germany has to wait his turn. So should Pedro from Mexiuagua.

Should we not have a say in who we allow into our country? 

Of course we should. But I keep telling you there’s no line. Because there isn’t, 

In any case- there are millions here who broke the law coming here. We can at least agree on that point. They’re already here, and we’re never going to deport them. So now what? 
 

My solution is: have them pay a large fine, allow them to stay with all rights of citizenship EXCEPT they never have the right to vote, and if they are ever caught committing a felony they get deported. And then reform the system and tighten the borders and ports of entry to prevent this stuff from continuing to happen. 
 

Whats your solution? 

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11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Of course we should. But I keep telling you there’s no line. Because there isn’t, 

In any case- there are millions here who broke the law coming here. We can at least agree on that point. They’re already here, and we’re never going to deport them. So now what? 
 

My solution is: have them pay a large fine, allow them to stay with all rights of citizenship EXCEPT they never have the right to vote, and if they are ever caught committing a felony they get deported. And then reform the system and tighten the borders and ports of entry to prevent this stuff from continuing to happen. 
 

Whats your solution? 

No f'n way.  Back to their country they go IMMEDIATELY!!!

[seafoam1 2,803]

6 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

No f'n way.  Back to their country they go IMMEDIATELY!!!

He won't be able able to pay for his boyfriend's transition therapy if he doesn't get the cheap labor. 

[5-Points 3,393]

17 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Of course we should. But I keep telling you there’s no line. Because there isn’t, 

In any case- there are millions here who broke the law coming here. We can at least agree on that point. They’re already here, and we’re never going to deport them. So now what? 
 

My solution is: have them pay a large fine, allow them to stay with all rights of citizenship EXCEPT they never have the right to vote, and if they are ever caught committing a felony they get deported. And then reform the system and tighten the borders and ports of entry to prevent this stuff from continuing to happen. 
 

Whats your solution? 

You're saying we don't have an immigration process? You're wrong. 

My solution is we deport every one of them that we catch. If they come back, we cut their legs off and deport them again. 

[The Real timschochet 6,435]

10 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

No f'n way.  Back to their country they go IMMEDIATELY!!!

Even if I agreed with you we both know it’s never gonna happen. You’re talking about 10-15 million people.Enormous cost and you think the public is going to put up with rounding people up by the thousands and putting them on trains or other transports?  Good luck with that. 

[The Real timschochet 6,435]

1 minute ago, 5-Points said:

You're saying we don't have an immigration process? You're wrong. 

My solution is we deport every one of them that we catch. If they come back, we cut their legs off and deport them again. 

OK thanks. I don’t regard your solution as workable or reasonable. 

[The Real timschochet 6,435]

I would never argue that conservatives don’t have reasonable concerns about this issue. Of course they do. But your solutions- especially since Trump came along- are completely unreasonable IMO. Mass deportation is never going to happen. Deporting anyone who is caught is never going to happen. Come up with something reasonable and Democrats will negotiate with you. Biden is willing. The leftists won’t like it but we can come up with a decent solution here. 

[seafoam1 2,803]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

OK thanks. I don’t regard your solution as workable or reasonable. 

It's reasonable. And maybe we should add those who hire illegals for cheap off the books in the solution. No one would miss you. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

OK thanks. I don’t regard your solution as workable or reasonable. 

Of course not. 

We need to deport every one we catch. But unless and until we actually secure our borders, illegal immigration will continue to be a problem. That doesn't mean we should reward them with citizenship. They should be imprisoned for a time to dissuade them of the notion that they can come here to earn money to send back home, then deport them. 

And we should bolster the Border Patrol with National Guardsmen with instructions to do whatever is necessary to prevent the illegal incursion across our border. 

We have a right and an obligation to defend our focking border. Come here the right way and assimilate. Or suffer the consequences. 

[5-Points 3,393]

9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I would never argue that conservatives don’t have reasonable concerns about this issue. Of course they do. But your solutions- especially since Trump came along- are completely unreasonable IMO. Mass deportation is never going to happen. Deporting anyone who is caught is never going to happen. Come up with something reasonable and Democrats will negotiate with you. Biden is willing. The leftists won’t like it but we can come up with a decent solution here. 

It's never going to happen if we don't do it. We can and we should. 

[HellToupee 1,589]

2 hours ago, Dozer FBG said:

We need labor. Let’s get ‘em in here legally and easily, tax the heck out of them, and move forward.

No problem with good people coming here LEGALLY wanting to work hard

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Even if I agreed with you we both know it’s never gonna happen. You’re talking about 10-15 million people.Enormous cost and you think the public is going to put up with rounding people up by the thousands and putting them on trains or other transports?  Good luck with that. 

the cost is way cheaper than keeping them here and paying for them.  Way cheaper.

And yes, the American people have had enough of the immigration problem so they are more than ready to start rounding them up and sending them back.  Even liberals in the big cities have had enough.  

[Fireballer 2,639]

5 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. No. As I’ve explained navy many times I use day laborers as independent contractors. So long as I pay them less than $600 I’m not required to report it. Everything I do is perfectly legal. 

2. That being said, it is true that many unconnected work for wages lower than the legal limit: Which should demonstrate why minimum wage, like tariffs, don’t really work. I would eliminate them if I could. Moat liberals disagree with me on this point but I remain, for the most part, a free market capitalist. 

3. For most undocumented people who have come here across our southern border (which is actually less than half of all undocumented people here) there was no line, there was never a means of coming here legally. They could have waited their entire lives and it never would have happened. It’s really important to understand this fact. 
 

LMAO…just because you seek to “use” them as contractors for tax purposes, doesn’t mean they are.  The State of California’s labor laws establish whether they are contractors or not. Youre not paying legitimate contractors wages as day laborers. What a crock of sh!t, but you knew that already.  In all seriousness, I imagine a smart guy like you has attorneys on retainer.  I would seriously have your business model evaluated to see if they pass the “employee vs contractor” test.  

[The Real timschochet 6,435]

2 hours ago, Fireballer said:

LMAO…just because you seek to “use” them as contractors for tax purposes, doesn’t mean they are.  The State of California’s labor laws establish whether they are contractors or not. Youre not paying legitimate contractors wages as day laborers. What a crock of sh!t, but you knew that already.  In all seriousness, I imagine a smart guy like you has attorneys on retainer.  I would seriously have your business model evaluated to see if they pass the “employee vs contractor” test.  

I have no idea what you’re talking about. And no I don’t have attorneys on retainer. I do all right in business but not THAT good. 

[The Real timschochet 6,435]

“Business model”, lol. 2-3 times a year some losers dump trash and old furniture at one of the shopping centers I manage and I have to find someone to haul it away. So I pay some day laborers to do it. It’s not easy to find people. The other day some homeless guy decided one of our centers was his personal bathroom. That I had to clean up myself,  no day laborers for that. It’s a glamorous job. 

[Fireballer 2,639]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I have no idea what you’re talking about. And no I don’t have attorneys on retainer. I do all right in business but not THAT good. 

 

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

“Business model”, lol. 2-3 times a year some losers dump trash and old furniture at one of the shopping centers I manage and I have to find someone to haul it away. So I pay some day laborers to do it. It’s not easy to find people. The other day some homeless guy decided one of our centers was his personal bathroom. That I had to clean up myself,  no day laborers for that. It’s a glamorous job. 

It’s obvious you don’t know what I’m talking about, and I don’t mean that in a sarcastic way.  The following is not professional advice, just some things to consider.  Do with it what you will.  Even though we disagree on stuff here, I feel compelled to mention this stuff to be helpful, not in a righty vs lefty nature.  

You citing your necessity to report/not report something based on how much you pay them, is tax law, not labor law.  Not meeting tax reporting thresholds, doesnt absolve you of employers responsibilities.Just because you think they are a “contractor” or even if they tell you that, it’s your legal obligation to provide burden of proof that they are actually contractors.  If they aren’t the owner of a legitimate business providing a service or trade, they aren’t contractors. 
If they aren’t contractors, they are employees.  That opens a whole other can of worms of your obligations. In addition, I believe if you employee more than 5 people, you fall under OSHA mandates which is obviously another can of worms of responsibilities towards workplace safety.
You can see how the practice of employing non legit people(migrant or US citizen) makes it hard for contractors who do things the right way and have to charge more for services to keep a roof over their head.  But, it seems that this occurs with you on such a small scale, that all this is probably a moot point.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,946]

I think it should work out pretty good   Nice work Cali. 

[The Real timschochet 6,435]

15 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

 

It’s obvious you don’t know what I’m talking about, and I don’t mean that in a sarcastic way.  The following is not professional advice, just some things to consider.  Do with it what you will.  Even though we disagree on stuff here, I feel compelled to mention this stuff to be helpful, not in a righty vs lefty nature.  

You citing your necessity to report/not report something based on how much you pay them, is tax law, not labor law.  Not meeting tax reporting thresholds, doesnt absolve you of employers responsibilities.Just because you think they are a “contractor” or even if they tell you that, it’s your legal obligation to provide burden of proof that they are actually contractors.  If they aren’t the owner of a legitimate business providing a service or trade, they aren’t contractors. 
If they aren’t contractors, they are employees.  That opens a whole other can of worms of your obligations. In addition, I believe if you employee more than 5 people, you fall under OSHA mandates which is obviously another can of worms of responsibilities towards workplace safety.
You can see how the practice of employing non legit people(migrant or US citizen) makes it hard for contractors who do things the right way and have to charge more for services to keep a roof over their head.  But, it seems that this occurs with you on such a small scale, that all this is probably a moot point.

I don’t think you’re correct here. If the amount you pay an independent contractor exceeds $600 then you have to report it and prove that it’s a contractor, provide a W-9, etc. I do that with multitudes of contractors, But if it’s under $600 (or $300, it may have changed, doesn’t matter for me) you don’t have to report anything. You can even pay cash, which I do. 

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5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t think you’re correct here. If the amount you pay an independent contractor exceeds $600 then you have to report it and prove that it’s a contractor, provide a W-9, etc. I do that with multitudes of contractors, But if it’s under $600 (or $300, it may have changed, doesn’t matter for me) you don’t have to report anything. You can even pay cash, which I do. 

I understand that.  You’re ignoring actual labor laws, which aren’t tax laws.You’re referring to IRS obligations. I’m referring to California labor regulations. You have legal obligations as an employer that have ZERO to do with reporting anything.  They’re two entirely different things.  

[The Real timschochet 6,435]

1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

I understand that.  You’re ignoring actual labor laws, which aren’t tax laws.You’re referring to IRS obligations. I’m referring to California labor regulations. You have legal obligations as an employer that have ZERO to do with reporting anything.  They’re two entirely different things.  

OK I guess. 
 

Honestly it’s like telling me I shouldn’t jaywalk. I know that but sometimes I do. And sometimes I drive over the speed limit. 

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

OK I guess. 
 

Honestly it’s like telling me I shouldn’t jaywalk. I know that but sometimes I do. And sometimes I drive over the speed limit. 

Except violating labor laws is not the same as jaywalking. You'll find one is much more expensive and possibly involves jail time than the other.

[iam90sbaby 2,490]

It would be funny if Tim got charged with something and this thing went full circle 

[Fireballer 2,639]

30 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

OK I guess. 
 

Honestly it’s like telling me I shouldn’t jaywalk. I know that but sometimes I do. And sometimes I drive over the speed limit. 

This is great, and not shocking at all. Tim the business owner appears to not know labor law exists, then confuses it with tax law, and then completely blows it off.  You cant make this sh!t up.  

[Fireballer 2,639]

13 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

It would be funny if Tim got charged with something and this thing went full circle 

If he employs his “independent contractors” as infrequently as he says, Cali prob has some carve outs that would make it a moot point.  

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4 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

This is great, and not shocking at all. Tim the business owner appears to not know labor law exists, then confuses it with tax law, and then completely blows it off.  You cant make this sh!t up.  

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.  It's how he and his fellow liberals are on pretty much all topics.

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15 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

“Business model”, lol. 2-3 times a year some losers dump trash and old furniture at one of the shopping centers I manage and I have to find someone to haul it away. So I pay some day laborers to do it. It’s not easy to find people. The other day some homeless guy decided one of our centers was his personal bathroom. That I had to clean up myself,  no day laborers for that. It’s a glamorous job. 

How do you know it was some homeless guy?  Did you interview him and get the facts of his living situation?  Maybe it was someone with a home, someone who knows you and out of contempt for you decided to take a big duke on one of your properties.  Maybe it wasn't a guy at all but Mrs. Schochet come to visit one of your properties and she got caught short and had to let it fly right where she stood.

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

I predict this will be a wildly successful policy. It will save taxpayer money, won’t raise premiums across the board and, no Americans will die from it. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,946]

2 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

I predict this will be a wildly successful policy. It will save taxpayer money, won’t raise premiums across the board and, no Americans will die from it. 

Agree. But even if it didn’t work out, at keast the ones that made and support this policy will be fine, so that’s good. The poors may have to take a hit. Meh. 

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

58 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Agree. But even if it didn’t work out, at keast the ones that made and support this policy will be fine, so that’s good. The poors may have to take a hit. Meh. 

What could possibly go wrong?

[HellToupee 1,589]

17 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Business model”, lol. 2-3 times a year some losers dump trash and old furniture at one of the shopping centers

this would be my hobby if I lived near you. I’d hire some of the bad hombres to scour the neighborhoods looking for to dump

[The Real timschochet 6,435]

2 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

this would be my hobby if I lived near you. I’d hire some of the bad hombres to scour the neighborhoods looking for to dump

I know you would.