Mass Shooting at Perry Iowa H.S., Multiple injuries. Suspect identified. No further danger to public.

[Ron_Artest 1,532]

7 minutes ago, squistion said:

That happened in one of the first few posts of this thread before anyone knew anything about the shooter.

The Maine shooter, I think the first reply was that he was a tranny.  It's ridiculous.

[BuckSwope 654]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

Perhaps he did.  Perhaps the reality of the act was different than the fantasy and he abandoned his plan after the first shot.  I have been one who has put forward the argument that a shotgun is more deadly than an AR 15 in the typical circumstances of a school shooting.  I put that argument forward being intimately familiar with each platform.  You seem to disagree.  that is fine.

I assume you have seen most of these shooters and what they look like.   Here is my understanding so feel free to correct if I am wrong:

1.  ARs provide more mods to make it easier to control, and are deadlier from a distance than shotgun/handgun.

2.  Most of these kids seem to be typical skinny losers.   Shotguns would be harder for them to control due to kick, and again the mods I mention above. 

3.   ARs and handguns are more likely to be used because of magazine size and shooters wanting to not have to reload as much.   

 

[TimHauck 2,876]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

I do.  I understand that just as the Ar 15 is a semiauto weapon so to are many shotguns.  I understand that for each trigger pull on the AR 15 one round goes down range.  I understand that for erach trigger pull of a 12 gauge holding 00 buck shot that 9 to 13 projectiles larger than the projectile fron an AR chambered in in most common caliber of .223 or 5.56mm goes downrange.  Nine times the firepower and less accuracy required.  Perfect for short distances with targets clustered together.

 

Now out on a schools sports field where targets are at distances greater than say fourty yards and are scattering the shotgun would be useless while the AR would come into its own.  Heck, kids two soccer fields away would still be in substantial danger.

You certainly seem knowledgeable about this, but then it would seem odd then that shotguns were used in very few of the highest body count instances.  This list includes 22 shootings and 374 victims, with only 1 using a shotgun alone (and only one other using a shotgun + a handgun).

https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2022/05/27/mass-shooters-exploited-gun-laws-loopholes-before-carnage/

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

13 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

You certainly seem knowledgeable about this, but then it would seem odd then that shotguns were used in very few of the highest body count instances.  This list includes 22 shootings and 374 victims, with only 1 using a shotgun alone (and only one other using a shotgun + a handgun).

https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2022/05/27/mass-shooters-exploited-gun-laws-loopholes-before-carnage/

That shooters with little training or knowledge choose the most frequently discussed weapon is to be anticipated.  It is fashion.  It is aculturalization.  

 

I have no doubt the AR will continue to be the weapon of choice of those who know little.  Our culture has told these folks that is the weapon to choose.  Hollywood has dictated this, along with hysterical legislators who know little about weapons.  

 

The AR is certainly a very good weapons system across a variety of potential uses.  All I have ever said is it is not the optimal weapon for shooting up a school in a short period of time.

[Ron_Artest 1,532]

 

[BrahmaBulls 763]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

 

Lives rent free in your head, GutterPedo

[TimHauck 2,876]

56 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

 

This thread has eight pages and I'm writing this only after getting to the bottom of page four. So, I'll look to see if these conflicting facts get ironed out, but at this point in the thread, I'd appreciate some links to see where these counter-claims are being made.

If all those statements were true, they aren't mutually exclusive.   

Although technically Horsecrap's were not entirely true.  He did not post asking what holds others back from transitioning, he replied to someone else that asked that and wrote he "didn't want to look ugly."

Nonetheless, that does imply he was thinking about it, but to @Ron_Artest's point there doesn't seem to be any evidence he had started to (not to mention he had a beard on the day of the shooting).  Still, by using "they" pronouns and the fact that he apparrently expressed attraction to "femboys," based on what we know I think it's fair to include him as part of the LGBTQ community.

But, still looks like the motive was bullying, most recently of his sister.

https://nypost.com/2024/01/04/news/who-is-iowa-school-shooting-suspect-dylan-butler/

 

[Raven Fan 362]

26 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

That shooters with little training or knowledge choose the most frequently discussed weapon is to be anticipated.  It is fashion.  It is aculturalization.  

 

I have no doubt the AR will continue to be the weapon of choice of those who know little.  Our culture has told these folks that is the weapon to choose.  Hollywood has dictated this, along with hysterical legislators who know little about weapons.  

 

The AR is certainly a very good weapons system across a variety of potential uses.  All I have ever said is it is not the optimal weapon for shooting up a school in a short period of time.

Can't ARs carry way more rounds per clip?  And don't AR rounds do massive damage when they enter the human body?  Damage must worse than shotgun rounds?

[5-Points 3,530]

48 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

There's also a perfectly reasonable reason for this as well.  Most of us have kids in school, go to malls, theaters, etc.   Most of us won't go near the crime riddled areas of the big cities.    People tend to click on and focus on this that they relate to and pertain to them.    I agree that there is a baked in agenda when you are talking about media narrative, but there is also a reason people around the country would be outraged over something like a school shooting, even if it's very rare.  

Your second paragraph is 100% the reason why I bring up the stats like I do.   I agree the narrative from the right is a focus on lib policies.  I pointed out how when you look at the stats as I suggested, you see a lot of red counties and red states popping up.    Again, it depends what stat you are looking at exactly but you start to see TX, SE states, and red counties pop up.   IF it was just liberal policies generating the violence, how do we explain those stats?    That's why I said I think the right is pushing narrative just as much.   The left is stupid about this issue - who cares if some whine about abolishing the 2A or banning guns.  Anybody with a brain should understand that is never going to happen.   They need to focus on realistic solutions.  

That level of care is necessary to save lives everywhere.   I was just shocked that a city as big as that didn't have that care for about 1/2 their population until 2018 or so.   I also thought it was an interesting tie in to think about when we are talking stats like gun murder/death.   

Exactly. And they know they can exploit that fact by playing on the fears of the ignorant. I understand why people are more concerned about mass shootings. They fear it could happen to them. Truth be told, the politicians don't care as much about the victims of mass shootings nearly as much as they care about furthering their agenda. And make no mistake, if they could abolish the 2A tomorrow they would, but they can't. So, like everything else the left does, they will try to do it incrementally. And it just so happens they want to start with the one gun most people would use to defend themselves from a tyrannical government that would try to take away that right. 

What red cities and counties are you referring to with regards to higher violent crime rates than places like Chicago or Detroit? 

I'm not saying level 1 trauma care as a whole shouldn't be necessary in the inner-city. I'm saying level 1 GSW care shouldn't be necessary. When we have to use techniques learned from the battlefield to save civilian lives as often as we do, it's a problem. That problem being a subculture in our society that doesn't value human life. But again, it isn't the tool that is to blame, it's the culture that has to be addressed. 

[Horseman 2,458]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

I believe the shooter had a pride flag in their TikTok bio, like many kids do today as a show of support.  Was born male, traditional male name, he/they pronouns.  There also one hashtag of genderfluid or something that was likely a joke.  He never claimed to be transitioning to female, never wore female clothing or had any other female characteristics.

The trans haters will try and make every shooter a tranny since the Nashville shooting to push an anti-trans agenda.  They failed again here.

Tranny. 

This kid is as queer as squidrope is. Just look at him.  

[Ron_Artest 1,532]

16 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Tranny. 

This kid is as queer as squidrope is. Just look at him.  

Oh now it's just look at him!

NIce try horseface.  You were this close ===>.<=== to fooling everyone into thinking this was a trannie

[BuckSwope 654]

2 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Exactly. And they know they can exploit that fact by playing on the fears of the ignorant. I understand why people are more concerned about mass shootings. They fear it could happen to them. Truth be told, the politicians don't care as much about the victims of mass shootings nearly as much as they care about furthering their agenda. And make no mistake, if they could abolish the 2A tomorrow they would, but they can't. So, like everything else the left does, they will try to do it incrementally. And it just so happens they want to start with the one gun most people would use to defend themselves from a tyrannical government that would try to take away that right. 

What red cities and counties are you referring to with regards to higher violent crime rates than places like Chicago or Detroit? 

I'm not saying level 1 trauma care as a whole shouldn't be necessary in the inner-city. I'm saying level 1 GSW care shouldn't be necessary. When we have to use techniques learned from the battlefield to save civilian lives as often as we do, it's a problem. That problem being a subculture in our society that doesn't value human life. But again, it isn't the tool that is to blame, it's the culture that has to be addressed. 

I guess I try to worry about real concerns.   Let's be honest, the biggest win they have gotten in decades is the assault weapons ban years ago, and that was just a ban on certain mods for the AR, correct?    Most places I look are going more the right's way - more CC, policies for more armed teachers like this discussion started off with, stuff like that.    I think this fear from the right you are touching on is completely unrealistic, but of course that is what the right media focuses on - "they want your guns!!".   It's a great way to stoke fear and get guns owners to stop budging on anything.    We have more guns than people - they aren't going anywhere.   

Truth be told, I agree politicians don't care.   Like most things they listen to the lobbyists and people with power.   Lots of power and influence behind the gun and weapons lobby.  

Again, like I said it depends the stat you are looking at. Now you just listed violent crime rates, but we are talking about guns and why Chicago was the focus.    Look at gun murder per capita, and I think that is were Chicago is closer to 30-40th in the country.  If I remember right it's something like 25/100K?   Cities like Birmingham, New Orleans, Detroit, St. Louis, Little Rock, Memphis are at the top.    You even see weird cities like Hartford, Orlando, Columbia and others that have similar rates than Chicago.    Chicago is a punching bag mostly because they tried to have different rules for the city vs. the rest of the state or surrounding states, so the right love to point there as some sort of slam dunk proof that those restrictions don't work.   To me, anybody with any sense could understand that it's not going to do a ton if people can just drive to a suburb or about 1hour away to a different state.   

You brought up violent crime in general and when I've looked it's similar.  Chicago is bad, but in the same range and I usually see cities like Memphis and St. Louis at the top again.  

Even if we could snap our fingers and all inner city gang violence disappeared, we still have 100s of millions of guns and there is still plenty of other crimes where guns are used, not to mention accidents and suicide attempts.  I would hope we still have plenty of access to level 1 GSW care.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

I read that this monsters, that murdered a sixth grader in cold blood in school, Tik tok page was scrubbed right after the shooting. 

[squistion 2,201]

56 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I read that this monsters, that murdered a sixth grader in cold blood in school, Tik tok page was scrubbed right after the shooting. 

Social media sites of shooters are often taken down following a mass shooting.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

22 minutes ago, squistion said:

Social media sites of shooters are often taken down following a mass shooting.

Yeah. Except the white supremacist mass murderer in Buffalo. We had all his info lickety split. 

[cyclone24 1,913]

33 minutes ago, squistion said:

Social media sites of shooters are often taken down following a mass shooting.

Honestly, why is that? Like we don’t know we have murderers and gangbangers and all sorts of garbage humans on social media? What good does it do to scrub that stuff?

[squistion 2,201]

Just now, cyclone24 said:

Honestly, why is that? Like we don’t know we have murderers and gangbangers and all sorts of garbage humans on social media? What good does it do to scrub that stuff?

Probably to prevent the relatives of the victims of being subjected to any more grief. Or perhaps not to stir up any more hatred (like against trans folks if this thread is any indication). 

[BuckSwope 654]

8 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Honestly, why is that? Like we don’t know we have murderers and gangbangers and all sorts of garbage humans on social media? What good does it do to scrub that stuff?

You don't think the notoriety is part of the process?  These kooks want everyone to talk about them, know what they did, and read their manifestos.  

It's also been shown these school shooters study others and copycat a bit, so again - they see the reaction in the media and online and know it works.  

[cyclone24 1,913]

20 minutes ago, squistion said:

Probably to prevent the relatives of the victims of being subjected to any more grief. Or perhaps not to stir up any more hatred (like against trans folks if this thread is any indication). 

Fair

[cyclone24 1,913]

15 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

You don't think the notoriety is part of the process?  These kooks want everyone to talk about them, know what they did, and read their manifestos.  

It's also been shown these school shooters study others and copycat a bit, so again - they see the reaction in the media and online and know it works.  

But they usually kill themselves…hard to get dead notoriety?

[nobody 2,673]

Man, I wish these gender confused kids would chill the fock out.

[Ron_Artest 1,532]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah. Except the white supremacist mass murderer in Buffalo. We had all his info lickety split. 

People find it before it's taken down.  People have this shooters TikTok as well and tried to use it to push the trans narrative.

[5-Points 3,530]

3 hours ago, BuckSwope said:

I guess I try to worry about real concerns.   Let's be honest, the biggest win they have gotten in decades is the assault weapons ban years ago, and that was just a ban on certain mods for the AR, correct?    Most places I look are going more the right's way - more CC, policies for more armed teachers like this discussion started off with, stuff like that.    I think this fear from the right you are touching on is completely unrealistic, but of course that is what the right media focuses on - "they want your guns!!".   It's a great way to stoke fear and get guns owners to stop budging on anything.    We have more guns than people - they aren't going anywhere.   

Truth be told, I agree politicians don't care.   Like most things they listen to the lobbyists and people with power.   Lots of power and influence behind the gun and weapons lobby.  

Again, like I said it depends the stat you are looking at. Now you just listed violent crime rates, but we are talking about guns and why Chicago was the focus.    Look at gun murder per capita, and I think that is were Chicago is closer to 30-40th in the country.  If I remember right it's something like 25/100K?   Cities like Birmingham, New Orleans, Detroit, St. Louis, Little Rock, Memphis are at the top.    You even see weird cities like Hartford, Orlando, Columbia and others that have similar rates than Chicago.    Chicago is a punching bag mostly because they tried to have different rules for the city vs. the rest of the state or surrounding states, so the right love to point there as some sort of slam dunk proof that those restrictions don't work.   To me, anybody with any sense could understand that it's not going to do a ton if people can just drive to a suburb or about 1hour away to a different state.   

You brought up violent crime in general and when I've looked it's similar.  Chicago is bad, but in the same range and I usually see cities like Memphis and St. Louis at the top again.  

Even if we could snap our fingers and all inner city gang violence disappeared, we still have 100s of millions of guns and there is still plenty of other crimes where guns are used, not to mention accidents and suicide attempts.  I would hope we still have plenty of access to level 1 GSW care.  

No, it was complete ban on the importation, sale or transfer of  so called "assault weapons." Which was any gun with the arbitrary characteristics they deemed to be more deadly. 

Thankfully, Republicans demanded a sunset clause be included in the bill and since it was determined to be ineffective in combating gun crimes, the law was allowed to sunset. 

They won't include a sunset clause in the next ban. 

[Reality 3,121]

32 minutes ago, nobody said:

Man, I wish these gender confused kids would chill the fock out.

Agreed, hard to do that though with the rhetoric coming from the left.

[BrahmaBulls 763]

5 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Same rent Gutter pays for your head

Okay Kimmel

[TimHauck 2,876]

5 hours ago, squistion said:

Social media sites of shooters are often taken down following a mass shooting.

Yeah I thought this was common knowledge.  GC is full of idiots.

Doing a brief search about the Buffalo shooter I don’t even see any mention of his presence on the mainstream social media sites like twitter, Facebook and tiktok.  He was apparently posting stuff on discord and 4chan but seems like even those were taken down, of course not before people saw it.  But part of what he posted was a manifesto, not a video about his friend drinking Gatorade which is apparently where one of the “genderfluid” hashtags came from.

 

[Horseman 2,458]

Bring back the insane asylums so we can lock up these dress wearing freaks.  

[TimHauck 2,876]

12 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Bring back the insane asylums so we can lock up these dress wearing freaks.  

So not Dylan Butler then?

[Ron_Artest 1,532]

19 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Bring back the insane asylums so we can lock up these dress wearing freaks.  

Who's wearing a dress?

[seafoam1 3,025]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Who's wearing a dress?

Besides you and your boyfriend?

[squistion 2,201]

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

3 minutes ago, squistion said:

 

Derp derp let me take a 5 sec clip and post it. Another good people on both sides. 

[Ron_Artest 1,532]

26 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Derp derp let me take a 5 sec clip and post it. Another good people on both sides. 

Would love to hear you defend this clip.  Let's go, cuck.  I'm all ears. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

6 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Would love to hear you defend this clip.  Let's go, cuck.  I'm all ears. 

I’m not defending it. I’m saying it’s 5 seconds of the 1 min he was talking about it. Still was a wrong thing to say but posting the short out of full context clip is purposely doing exactly what it’s supposed to.  Good people on both sides moment. I wonder if Biden will make it his campaign purpose again 

[The Psychic Observer 498]

39 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Derp derp let me take a 5 sec clip and post it. Another good people on both sides. 

Here's the full 1 min clip.  He rambles on about how terrible it is, then offers no solutions except "Get over it".  I don't know how the full clip is any better.

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

18 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Here's the full 1 min clip.  He rambles on about how terrible it is, then offers no solutions except "Get over it".  I don't know how the full clip is any better.

 

I dont care one way or another, all I care about is the media nonsense and partial clips

I stated it wasn't a good thing to say

there is no solution fwiw, some people do some things

[The Psychic Observer 498]

12 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I dont care one way or another, all I care about is the media nonsense and partial clips

I stated it wasn't a good thing to say

there is no solution fwiw, some people do some things

But I gave you the full clip, how is it any different than the partial clip?

And yes there are solutions to preventing school shootings, but Diaper Don doesn't have any.

[cyclone24 1,913]

I mean he’s not wrong. I mean, did any of you give the shooting one thought yesterday? Probably not. I didn’t and it’s right here. We’re so desensitized to it that yeah we just pretty much need to get over it move on because that’s what we’re all going to do anyway. 
but not surprising he has a full clip of a speech where he’s giving his thoughts and condolences and being respectful and the left hangs up on we need to get over it. It’s kind of an under the breath throwaway line like hey we got problems let’s keep on moving. Clutch them pearls.

[The Psychic Observer 498]

22 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

I mean he’s not wrong. I mean, did any of you give the shooting one thought yesterday? Probably not. I didn’t and it’s right here. We’re so desensitized to it that yeah we just pretty much need to get over it move on because that’s what we’re all going to do anyway. 
but not surprising he has a full clip of a speech where he’s giving his thoughts and condolences and being respectful and the left hangs up on we need to get over it. It’s kind of an under the breath throwaway line like hey we got problems let’s keep on moving. Clutch them pearls.

There's the spin.  Keep sucking Trump's c0ck.

[BuckSwope 654]

48 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I dont care one way or another, all I care about is the media nonsense and partial clips

I stated it wasn't a good thing to say

there is no solution fwiw, some people do some things

...when the "lefties" on the board post them.