Mass Shooting at Perry Iowa H.S., Multiple injuries. Suspect identified. No further danger to public.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,910]

These tranny kids need to be closely watched and monitored. 

[Ron_Artest 1,034]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

These tranny kids need to be closely watched and monitored. 

Dylan was born a female?  Link?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,910]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

Dylan was born a female?  Link?

I love how you refer to this murderous monster that just killed a sixth grader yesterday by its first name, attempting to humanize it. Go preach your self aggrandizing bullshit to that dead kids family. I wonder how you would feel if that was your kid? 

[Ron_Artest 1,034]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I love how you refer to this murderous monster that just killed a sixth grader yesterday by its first name, attempting to humanize it. Go preach your self aggrandizing bullshit to that dead kids family. I wonder how you would feel if that was your kid? 

So no link, just lies.  Sad.

[BuckSwope 654]

9 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Dylan was born a female?  Link?

Didn't you read the other posts?  Somebody posted that non-binary = "under the trans umbrella" so therefore anybody lgbtq is a tranny.  makes perfect sense. 

[listen2me 23 1,825]

Yall are up and at em to duke this out!  Tip of the cap for the relentlessness of this group. 

 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

12 hours ago, squistion said:

I am not going down that rabbit hole (so to speak) which is why generally I don't partake in these type of discussions.

How about the gerbil hole?

[BrahmaBulls 628]

46 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

How about the gerbil hole?

He prefers pigeon holes

[TheNewGirl 1,340]

4 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

 

He may have been influenced by Columbine.

 

I really hope that they tell the truth about Columbine if they are going to use it. 

Kleblod and Harris WERE the bullies; they were not bullied. 

Their whole "we were bullied" garbage was debunked over 10 years ago and there've been plenty of documentaries, studies and other research done on this incident. 

 

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/103287016

[cyclone24 1,912]

This probably won’t go anywhere because you know politics, but one of my really good friends is a state senator here. He actually likes the idea of trying to incorporate mental health classes into curriculum. 
so we’re going to get together and see if we can come up with something. I don’t know. Maybe it’s just frustration of having three kids the same age as the kid that died and it’s a little bit crazy being that close now but I’d like to at least say I tried something. 
 

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[TheNewGirl 1,340]

8 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

This probably won’t go anywhere because you know politics, but one of my really good friends is a state senator here. He actually likes the idea of trying to incorporate mental health classes into curriculum. 
so we’re going to get together and see if we can come up with something. I don’t know. Maybe it’s just frustration of having three kids the same age as the kid that died and it’s a little bit crazy being that close now but I’d like to at least say I tried something. 
 

. 

I think this could be something great for schools. 

I remember when I was in elementary school, we'd have a dentist come into class and teach proper brushing and tooth/oral hygiene. And you went home with a free toothbrush. 

Mental health would of course need to be something more than once every few months, but even a once a week lesson from a licsenced child therapist or something to help kids with emotional regulation, coping skills, etc would be helpful. And, they wouldn't be there to diagnose, but to help kids. 

[cyclone24 1,912]

3 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

I think this could be something great for schools. 

I remember when I was in elementary school, we'd have a dentist come into class and teach proper brushing and tooth/oral hygiene. And you went home with a free toothbrush. 

Mental health would of course need to be something more than once every few months, but even a once a week lesson from a licsenced child therapist or something to help kids with emotional regulation, coping skills, etc would be helpful. And, they wouldn't be there to diagnose, but to help kids. 

Yeah, logistically it’s going to be a little bit of a nightmare, because it has to be ongoing, and for each student. So how to do it, how many staff you would need and the cost is definitely going to be a massive hurdle, but Jesus Christ we hand out money for the dumbest things. Seems impossible, but also not that damn hard at the same time.

[seafoam1 2,798]

4 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

I think this could be something great for schools. 

I remember when I was in elementary school, we'd have a dentist come into class and teach proper brushing and tooth/oral hygiene. And you went home with a free toothbrush. 

Mental health would of course need to be something more than once every few months, but even a once a week lesson from a licsenced child therapist or something to help kids with emotional regulation, coping skills, etc would be helpful. And, they wouldn't be there to diagnose, but to help kids. 

Yeah, maybe a mental health person can go into the schools and hand out birth certificates telling the kids what their real sex is. 

[seafoam1 2,798]

2 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Yeah, logistically it’s going to be a little bit of a nightmare, because it has to be ongoing, and for each student. So how to do it, how many staff you would need and the cost is definitely going to be a massive hurdle, but Jesus Christ we hand out money for the dumbest things. Seems impossible, but also not that damn hard at the same time.

Parents will be the obstacle. They always are. And also the actual goal of a program like that. I wouldn't trust any liberal leaning mental health "expert" with my kid if I had one that age. 

[TheNewGirl 1,340]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

Yeah, maybe a mental health person can go into the schools and hand out birth certificates telling the kids what their real sex is. 

:sigh: 

You're such a focking tool. 

[seafoam1 2,798]

2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

:sigh: 

You're such a focking tool. 

How so? I agreed with you. I just don't want these so called mental health "specialists" telling kids they can be "any sex" they wanna be. 

[cyclone24 1,912]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

How so? I agreed with you. I just don't want these so called mental health "specialists" telling kids they can be "any sex" they wanna be. 

Just because I don’t want this to devolved into yet another slap fight I don’t anticipate that being the structure or the nature of a program like that to steer them one way, or the other, but just address the issues that come from that and a whole host of other issues kids deal with.

[TheNewGirl 1,340]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

How so? I agreed with you. I just don't want these so called mental health "specialists" telling kids they can be "any sex" they wanna be. 

There's a lot more to being mentally healthy than transgenderism, but you can't seem to let go of that. 

[seafoam1 2,798]

11 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

There's a lot more to being mentally healthy than transgenderism, but you can't seem to let go of that. 

And there's a whole lot more to violence than just murder. And I won't let it go. 

"Transgenderism" is a sickness that needs to be addressed by the right people. Nobody should be influencing kids in the guise of "teaching" or 'counseling" them to think that being another sex is normal or the right way to go. This whole problem started with the influx of media attention to a couple misguided kids and many sick teachers and media now in the system. 

[cyclone24 1,912]

3 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

And there's a whole lot more to violence than just murder. And I won't let it go. 

"Transgenderism" is a sickness that needs to be addressed by the right people. Nobody should be influencing kids in the guise of "teaching" or 'counseling" them to think that being another sex is normal or the right way to go. This whole problem started with the influx of media attention to a couple misguided kids and many sick teachers and media now in the system. 

JFC nevermind.

again, I’m reminded of why i stopped coming over to the side of the forum. 
 

[squistion 1,944]

14 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

There's a lot more to being mentally healthy than transgenderism, but you can't seem to let go of that. 

He is one of several posters here (League Champion being another) who seem obsessed with the subject of transgenderism.

[TheNewGirl 1,340]

1 minute ago, cyclone24 said:

JFC nevermind.

again, I’m reminded of why i stopped coming over to the side of the forum. 
 

Right? 

Anyways, I thought addressing mental health in schools was a great idea. 

Now, it seems that it's only addressed when the child has some kind of behavioral issue; one of my friends is an elementary school counselor. She really only sees the kids that have an IEP or something like that. Addressing the classroom as a whole, or every kid individually just seems like we could get a little control or address issues before they start. 

[seafoam1 2,798]

1 minute ago, cyclone24 said:

JFC nevermind.

again, I’m reminded of why i stopped coming over to the side of the forum. 
 

Let me use another term you'll understand. The problem is becoming "systemic" in public schools and in media and in liberal politics. 

 

[seafoam1 2,798]

1 minute ago, squistion said:

He is one of several posters here (League Champion being another) who seem obsessed with the subject of transgenderism.

Yeah, it's bad and should be spoken against. 

Same with the murder rates in liberal run cities. 

[Ape Deceased SUV 22]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

He is one of several posters here (League Champion being another) who seem obsessed with the subject of transgenderism.

They're the same poster.  They have the same IP Address

[Strike 5,182]

2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Right? 

Anyways, I thought addressing mental health in schools was a great idea. 

Now, it seems that it's only addressed when the child has some kind of behavioral issue; one of my friends is an elementary school counselor. She really only sees the kids that have an IEP or something like that. Addressing the classroom as a whole, or every kid individually just seems like we could get a little control or address issues before they start. 

On some levels I agree with you.  However, we need to decide what the purpose is of school.  I'm not convinced mental health evaluation/treatment is their role.

 

[seafoam1 2,798]

1 minute ago, Ape Deceased SUV said:

They're the same poster.  They have the same IP Address

pimpledoosh lies again. Dude, give it up. 

[seafoam1 2,798]

Just now, Strike said:

On some levels I agree with you.  However, we need to decide what the purpose is of school.  I'm not convinced mental health evaluation/treatment is their role.

 

And if you thought it was, what would it take for you to trust them? No chance unless it's private education. Choosing who to put your kid's health in. 

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

There is, perhaps, a positive to this story: it seems that schools and law enforcement are getting better to reacting when events like this occur. We’re not going to stop school shootings any time soon but perhaps we can prevent what took place in Texas last year. 

[cyclone24 1,912]

4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Let me use another term you'll understand. The problem is becoming "systemic" in public schools and in media and in liberal politics. 

 

Yep, great. Got it. I think we got the memo. 
You’re going off on a tangent that we weren’t even addressing at this point in the thread. I mean, do you honestly think we would try to get some sort of mental health curriculum into schools that would try to steer kids away from a lifestyle or into one? Nobody on the planet is going to allow you to do that. So you’re pissing and moaning about something that’s not even going to occur in the slim chance that anything even actually gets done anyway. Just a colossal waste of time slap fighting about some thing. 

[seafoam1 2,798]

5 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Yep, great. Got it. I think we got the memo. 
You’re going off on a tangent that we weren’t even addressing at this point in the thread. I mean, do you honestly think we would try to get some sort of mental health curriculum into schools that would try to steer kids away from a lifestyle or into one? Nobody on the planet is going to allow you to do that. So you’re pissing and moaning about something that’s not even going to occur in the slim chance that anything even actually gets done anyway. Just a colossal waste of time slap fighting about some thing. 

Ok. So you take your kids to a public school and put your faith that the mental health people in the school will "guide" your children in a perfect direction. It's one thing teaching math, it's totally another with randomly letting them be guided in the space of mental health. 

Would you let a high school doctor treat your kids cancer because he was simply hired by that school?

School choice?

[cyclone24 1,912]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

There is, perhaps, a positive to this story: it seems that schools and law enforcement are getting better to reacting when events like this occur. We’re not going to stop school shootings any time soon but perhaps we can prevent what took place in Texas last year. 

I guess I just am never going to see that as a win if that makes sense? Hey look how fast we are responding when we have a school shooting or my God look how many first aid kits we now have for the school shootings. It’s such a defensive Band-Aid mindset. Not toward you. Personally, I don’t mean, but just in general That instead of doing something about the problem, we’re just trying to throw some dirt on it and then back Pat each other on how fast we did it  

It’s certainly gotten better, but it doesn’t fix anything. Again, we are not even five days into the year and we’ve had two school mass shootings.

[cyclone24 1,912]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

Ok. So you take your kids to a public school and put your faith that the mental health people in the school will "guide" your children in a perfect direction. 

The idea is that you give a kid like yesterday maybe one person the kid to talk to about his issues. Maybe someone catches something in a social media post a little quicker. You’re looking at it through the lens of altering the kid when I don’t think that’s, the focus. It’s maybe giving that kid that just has issues that doesn’t know how to cope with them…handle them better. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,693]

I appreciate the work @seafoam1 and @League Champion put in on this subject.  Radical Transgenderism is one of the things leading to our societal rot. Their vigilance should be appreciated and I consider them patriots.  

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

3 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

I guess I just am never going to see that as a win if that makes sense? Hey look how fast we are responding when we have a school shooting or my God look how many first aid kits we now have for the school shootings. It’s such a defensive Band-Aid mindset. Not toward you. Personally, I don’t mean, but just in general That instead of doing something about the problem, we’re just trying to throw some dirt on it and then back Pat each other on how fast we did it  

It’s certainly gotten better, but it doesn’t fix anything. Again, we are not even five days into the year and we’ve had two school mass shootings.

I get your point. But if we as a society can save lives, I have to regard that as a win. 

[cyclone24 1,912]

1 minute ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

I appreciate the work @seafoam1 and @League Champion put in on this subject.  Radical Transgenderism is one of the things leading to our societal rot. Their vigilance should be appreciated and I consider them patriots.  

Mike Pence is that you? 

[cyclone24 1,912]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I get your point. But if we as a society can save lives, I have to regard that as a win. 

Same page I just would like to saving to be a little sooner than pulled the bullet out before they died.

[seafoam1 2,798]

7 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

The idea is that you give a kid like yesterday maybe one person the kid to talk to about his issues. Maybe someone catches something in a social media post a little quicker. You’re looking at it through the lens of altering the kid when I don’t think that’s, the focus. It’s maybe giving that kid that just has issues that doesn’t know how to cope with them…handle them better. 

Ok. So think back when you were a kid. 15 years old. Were you going to first think of going to mental health advisor with your problems?

I only say that because I don't think kids, especially kids with problems, think that way. They hide things. They don't tell their parents, they don't tell "authorities" at school or the police. 

What kid opens up to teachers or counselors when they want to kill someone? 

It's abnormal. There are many adults that are the same and we all have gazillions of counseling options. But adults still go out an kill or harm or steal. 

Some kids are just focked up. Sadly.  Just like some adults. 

[cyclone24 1,912]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

Ok. So think back when you were a kid. 15 years old. Were you going to first think of going to mental health advisor with your problems?

I only say that because I don't think kids, especially kids with problems, think that way. They hide things. They don't tell their parents, they don't tell "authorities" at school or the police. 

What kid opens up to teachers or counselors when they want to kill someone? 

I would like to see it as a mandatory meeting/one on one. 
admittedly, a ton of kids are not going to need this. They are well adjusted, good grades have their heads on straight. But it’s more catching a kid like yesterday. 
 

There’s nothing that’s going to solve something 100%. I just would like to see us get out of this whole defensive, reactionary phase that clearly doesn’t work to something more proactive. That’s all.

[TheNewGirl 1,340]

6 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Ok. So think back when you were a kid. 15 years old. Were you going to first think of going to mental health advisor with your problems?

I only say that because I don't think kids, especially kids with problems, think that way. They hide things. They don't tell their parents, they don't tell "authorities" at school or the police. 

What kid opens up to teachers or counselors when they want to kill someone? 

It's abnormal. There are many adults that are the same and we all have gazillions of counseling options. But adults still go out an kill or harm or steal. 

Some kids are just focked up. Sadly.  Just like some adults. 

Children need to feel safe to be vulnerable and talk about thoughts and feelings. 

Done correctly, therapists are literally trained on how to do this. It can take a long time for anyone to feel comfortable talking to a therapist, even adults. Crap, it took me a long time to try and find a new one after a previous one retired. 

These kids have to feel like they are safe, someone is listening, someone cares about them. There really is a psychology to this, and if you can address those thoughts and issues BEFORE little Johnny goes and grabs his dad's gun, or stabs his 1st grade teacher, then maybe there is hope. 

Thing is that if the therapist/counselor SEES an issue that needs to be further addressed, then it needs to be addressed. That's where the parents having an issue with it would likely put a stop to it. MANY parents don't want to hear that their kid has mental issues, because it shows that there was something that parent did "wrong."