***OFFICIAL Buccaneers @ Lions Divisional Round Thread***

[Reality 3,121]

39 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Wentz almost won an MVP award.  Who are you kidding?

That season was clearly an outlier. That's not what he is.

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4 hours ago, Reality said:

That season was clearly an outlier. That's not what he is.

That's when the extension came!  Mayfield had NOTHING of a season like Wentz's.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

7 hours ago, Reality said:

So, who do you get? They don't have a high draft pick, which also only works out a 3rd of the time. Top QB's aren't available.

Yes it is a conundrum. I’d go for the best guy you can get on a reasonable deal. Maybe that’s Baker. Could be Cousins or Tannehill. Just don’t lock yourself in with a huge contract you can’t get out of, not for baker or either of those guys too.

They are a bridge. Just because you don’t know who you’re ultimately getting or how doesn’t change the fact that they should only be a bridge 

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8 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Yes it is a conundrum. I’d go for the best guy you can get on a reasonable deal. Maybe that’s Baker. Could be Cousins or Tannehill. Just don’t lock yourself in with a huge contract you can’t get out of, not for baker or either of those guys too.

They are a bridge. Just because you don’t know who you’re ultimately getting or how doesn’t change the fact that they should only be a bridge 

Yeah, cause Tannehill would have lead the Bucs to a playoff win. 

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23 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Yes it is a conundrum. I’d go for the best guy you can get on a reasonable deal. Maybe that’s Baker. Could be Cousins or Tannehill. Just don’t lock yourself in with a huge contract you can’t get out of, not for baker or either of those guys too.

They are a bridge. Just because you don’t know who you’re ultimately getting or how doesn’t change the fact that they should only be a bridge 

Tannehill is 100 percent washed. Any team that signs him as a starter are morons. 

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Just now, kilroy69 said:

Tannehill is 100 percent washed. Any team that signs him as a starter are morons. 

Not even backup worthy anymore. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

1 hour ago, kilroy69 said:

Tannehill is 100 percent washed. Any team that signs him as a starter are morons. 

Point is, he’s a stopgap

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5 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Point is, he’s a stopgap

On the level of Mitch Tribusky.

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10 hours ago, edjr said:

Lions have let up over 800+ yards against the Rams and Bucs. Not good. 

Exactly.

This is a flawed team and Goff / the offense is not the flaw. So long as the O-Line holds, he's as good as anybody. With Jonah Jackson out and Ragnow banged up, that may not be the case against SF. We started the year with six high quality linemen, then Vaitai got hurt and it was only five. Which... you only need five. Ragnow seems able to play through any malady at high levels but losing Jackson takes them down to four and provides a weak spot at guard.

The flaw is pass defense. Our cornerbacks are horrible and quality talented WRs have been burning them badly and frequently, which other teams with quality WRs all know and scheme for. It's why Jefferson, CeeDee, Pacua, and Evans in turn all put up insane #s against us. Also, there is little pass rush opposite Hutchinson. James Houston is recovered enough that he has been removed from IR but still not there and they've not activated him. The team is still kicking though, maybe we can get him back in the nick of time. Then Aaron Glenn's scheming leaves much to be desired too. I can't believe teams are interviewing him for head coaching jobs but players do love playing for him. Please... someone take him. 

If Deebo can't play Detroit's CB liability is eased against SF. Then, if KC's clown corp of WRs make it to the Super Bowl, maybe we can mask it some with them because now the other teams' WRs are just as bad as our CBs.

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[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

12 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Yes it is a conundrum. I’d go for the best guy you can get on a reasonable deal. Maybe that’s Baker. Could be Cousins or Tannehill. Just don’t lock yourself in with a huge contract you can’t get out of, not for baker or either of those guys too.

They are a bridge. Just because you don’t know who you’re ultimately getting or how doesn’t change the fact that they should only be a bridge 

This is exactly right.  What the Bucs need to do is to draft a potential franchise QB.  I don't know who that is, I don't follow college football, but that IS the job of the GM.  Do your job.  Find a franchise QB (attempt to), because Mayfield is NOT that.  He's a bridge, just like Cousins or Tannehill.  You don't pay a guy who is a stop gap, top starter money.

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11 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

Yeah, cause Tannehill would have lead the Bucs to a playoff win. 

Let me ask you this.  Let's say the Bucs let Mayfield go, sign Tannehill, win 10 games against a harder schedule, and miss the playoffs.  Will that be a better season than this year?

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8 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Let me ask you this.  Let's say the Bucs let Mayfield go, sign Tannehill, win 10 games against a harder schedule, and miss the playoffs.  Will that be a better season than this year?

I would suggest most coaches and players in the league would side with making the playoffs is a better year than not making the playoffs. Record be damned. 

My opinion? That would suck. No playoffs and a not so great draft pick. But I'm a Bears fan. Over the last few years the off-season is more exciting than the actual season. And I'm not exaggerating that point in the least. 

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4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

I would suggest most coaches and players in the league would side with making the playoffs is a better year than not making the playoffs. Record be damned. 

My opinion? That would suck. No playoffs and a not so great draft pick. But I'm a Bears fan. Over the last few years the off-season is more exciting than the actual season. And I'm not exaggerating that point in the least. 

I don't care what the players think, they're emotional.  I'm going by common sense and the direction of the team.  Players on my team change every year... my "team" never changes.  The fact is, a 10-win season is better than a 9-win season because that's a more tangible result.  It shows progress.  It shows that you're better than just average.  More so if you have a harder schedule.  I agree with you that the situation sucks, but it's still a better season.  Winning a crappy division only because the division is crappy, isn't something to hang your hat on.  That's how you end up with a mediocre to below average QB making $30M and your team regress the following year.  Let's put it this way.  The ONLY reason Tampa made the playoffs is because they beat the worst team in the NFL twice... once by 3 points, and the other in a must-win game, by scoring only 9 points.  Their margin of victory in those two games averages out to 6 points.  On average, that team lost by average of 11.2 points in their other 15 games.

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5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I don't care what the players think, they're emotional.  I'm going by common sense and the direction of the team.  Players on my team change every year... my "team" never changes.  The fact is, a 10-win season is better than a 9-win season because that's a more tangible result.  It shows progress.  It shows that you're better than just average.  More so if you have a harder schedule.  I agree with you that the situation sucks, but it's still a better season.  Winning a crappy division only because the division is crappy, isn't something to hang your hat on.  That's how you end up with a mediocre to below average QB making $30M and your team regress the following year.  Let's put it this way.  The ONLY reason Tampa made the playoffs is because they beat the worst team in the NFL twice... once by 3 points, and the other in a must-win game, by scoring only 9 points.  Their margin of victory in those two games averages out to 6 points.  On average, that team lost by average of 11.2 points in their other 15 games.

The "fact" is, having a shot at the superbowl is better than not making the playoffs. I would guess coaches, owners, players, fans, would all agree with me on that. 

UNLESS, you want a total rebuild. Other than that, I don't see the logic. These teams change year to year. You never know when your time will come. Unless you have Tom Brady at QB. 

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Just now, seafoam1 said:

The "fact" is, having a shot at the superbowl is better than not making the playoffs. I would guess coaches, owners, players, fans, would all agree with me on that. 

UNLESS, you want a total rebuild. other than that, I don't see the logic. These teams change year to year. You never know when your time will come. Unless you have Tom Brady at QB. 

That's an emotional response, not a logical one.  Again, players, coaches, and owners only care about themselves and money.  Fans who think 9-8 in the playoffs is better than 10-7 without making the playoffs are stupid because the realistic odds of winning a Super Bowl for both, are still 0%.

You don't need a total rebuild.  You need the right QB.  Mediocre to below average QB's are not the right QB.

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7 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

That's an emotional response, not a logical one.  Again, players, coaches, and owners only care about themselves and money.  Fans who think 9-8 in the playoffs is better than 10-7 without making the playoffs are stupid because the realistic odds of winning a Super Bowl for both, are still 0%.

You don't need a total rebuild.  You need the right QB.  Mediocre to below average QB's are not the right QB.

I am the least "emotional" person on the planet about TB football. In 2003 I moved to St. Pete and grew to hate Bucs sports talk radio. I didn't care about them prior to that time, and didn't since then. Now the Lightening, that's a whole other story. Freaking loved them. Except for their announcer. Terrible. But never emotional about TB. 

Anyway, I don't care what Tampa does, but didn't they have a SB winning QB that wasn't a big shot name in the sport? Brad something?

Did you hate that SB win too?

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7 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

I am the least "emotional" person on the planet about TB football. In 2003 I moved to St. Pete and grew to hate Bucs sports talk radio. I didn't care about them prior to that time, and didn't since then. Now the Lightening, that's a whole other story. Freaking loved them. Except for their announcer. Terrible. But never emotional about TB. 

Anyway, I don't care what Tampa does, but didn't they have a SB winning QB that wasn't a big shot name in the sport? Brad something?

Did you hate that SB win too?

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1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

What were you doing on the day Brad Johnson and the Bucs won it all? 

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11 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

What were you doing on the day Brad Johnson and the Bucs won it all? 

You mean when the team with the best record (tied), in the NFL that year won the Super Bowl... not a .500 team who squeaked into the playoffs?

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1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You mean when the team with the best record (tied), in the NFL that year won the Super Bowl... not a .500 team who squeaked into the playoffs?

Ok. I get it. You don't care about winning it all. Just having the best record. 

So QB is not the thing. Just the season record. Got it. 

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1 hour ago, seafoam1 said:

Ok. I get it. You don't care about winning it all. Just having the best record. 

So QB is not the thing. Just the season record. Got it. 

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15 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Point is, he’s a stopgap

He is not even at the stopgap level unless you are doing a total rebuild and just need an arm and at that point he is literally no better than an average replacement player any team can get in the draft. Mayfield had like 6 different offensive coordinators. Imagine coming to work every year knowing that you are going to have to learn everything over because the previous guy got fired. Mayfield played this year on a 4 million dollar contract which is a prove it contract in the NFL. He played himself into a likely 30-45 million dollar multi year deal with the bucs. Any team that signs tannehill does not want to win in any way shape or form. His window closed in 2 years at Tennesee and he is not joe flacco. 

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On 1/20/2024 at 11:29 PM, cmh6476 said:

Are you fucking 12? Stfu

 

[Reality 3,121]

On 1/22/2024 at 11:15 AM, TBayXXXVII said:

Tampa should have ZERO interest in him for next year.

He absolutely should have a job next year, but as a backup... not a starter.  The only teams who should consider Mayfield as a starter are teams like Washington (who are rebuilding and don't want get their franchise QB to get killed his rookie season), the Raider, who need to start the rebuilding process but want to be a competent team and spend $10M on a stop gap.  Teams that have a chance to contend, should NOT throw $30M at him to be their starter.

LoL

On 1/22/2024 at 12:58 PM, Reality said:

He's easily better than a 3rd of the starters in the league. None of this matters, he'll be back and starting for TB next year. 

You may want to go ahead and accept that now.

Nailed it.

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

3 hours ago, Reality said:

LoL

Nailed it.

 

At least we'll have a top 10 pick the next 2 years.

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2 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

At least we'll have a top 10 pick the next 2 years.

No you won't. Unless they trade up for one. 

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11 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

No you won't. Unless they trade up for one. 

The Falcons had 7 wins last year and are picking 8th.  That's about where the Bucs will be next year.  Last year, only 8 teams had an easier schedule than Tampa and this year at the onset, only 8 teams will have a harder schedule.  That's only based on win% and not the fact that other teams are going to get better.  The Bucs stayed static on offense, so far.

 

When I look at the Bucs' schedule for next year....

Home: Falcons, Panthers, Saints, Eagles, 49ers, Commanders, Ravens, Broncos, Raiders
Away: Falcons, Panthers, Saints, Cowboys, Giants, Lions, Chiefs, Chargers

The only games I feel confident are wins are... Carolina (2?), Washington, & Giants.  That's it.  Now, they'll probably split with ATL and NO, but that's 6 wins.  Whether they end up with 6, 7, or 8 wins, will depend on how they do against the Broncos and Raiders.  I'll give them a split.  That's a 7-10 record.  This year, 3 of the 4 teams with 7 wins, picked in the top 10.

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Bucs certainly overachieved this past year.  

Baker is startable.  They may or may not win that crappy division.  Who knows what ATL will have at QB. 

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3 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Bucs certainly overachieved this past year.  

Baker is startable.  They may or may not win that crappy division.  Who knows what ATL will have at QB. 

Apparently Kirk Cousins.