NFL Head Coaching Now Over-Represented by Blacks - UPDATE - the hiring of Radio Raheem brings it up to 22%!!!!

[BrahmaBulls 919]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

Dude, I won't agree with anything you say if you keep engaging in name calling. 

Thst post didn’t even call you anything.  You’re such a tool

[squistion 2,504]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

Dang. You are dumb. "STRAW MAN!!!! "

I know what a Straw Man argument is, and you apparently have no clue.

 

[squistion 2,504]

1 minute ago, BrahmaBulls said:

Thst post didn’t even call you anything.  You’re such a tool

It was the one before. I figured if I responded you would call me another name, like you just did above. 

[BrahmaBulls 919]

3 minutes ago, squistion said:

It was the one before. I figured if I responded you would call me another name, like you just did above. 

If the shoe fits…

[squistion 2,504]

Just now, BrahmaBulls said:

If the shoe fits…

Exactly why I didn't respond. 

[seafoam1 3,409]

Squiddy quit. He's been defeated.

[jerryskids 7,068]

56 minutes ago, squistion said:

It makes sense that if the higher percentage of black players is a result of talent, then probably that same talent should translate to a higher percentage of black players at the coaching level, unless you want to argue that whites are smarter and thus make better coaches (which, by the way, is the reasoning that racists used for decades as an explanation as to why there were so few black coaches). 

No, it doesn't make sense.  What is it about the ability to run a 4.4 40 directly correlates to coaching acumen?

[Ron_Artest 2,183]

6 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

No, it doesn't make sense.  What is it about the ability to run a 4.4 40 directly correlates to coaching acumen?

There is more to playing football than running a 40.

[seafoam1 3,409]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

If players are chosen by talent and their playing ability, how is that blacks are over represented in the NFL?

 

1 hour ago, seafoam1 said:

Excellent. You agree then that acceptance into highly regarded educational institutions should be soley based on testing scores and extra-curricular activity and not skin color. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

10 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

There is more to playing football than running a 40.

True. Keeping the players hydrated is very important as well. Thank you for your service. 

[jerryskids 7,068]

17 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

There is more to playing football than running a 40.

True, although it depends on the position.  Some positions are more cerebral than others.

Does playing football teach you how to manage 70-ish elite athletes, and more support staff?  Deal with the media, fans, team execs?  Are those skills more important than the 40?

There used to be an expression:  those who can't, teach.  The idea was that those who struggled physically understood the work that went into to achieving excellence better than those who were naturally physically gifted.  I guess that isn't true anymore.   

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,339]

So when does this BS stop?  I mean, these guys aren't arguing about the disparity of black people filling in the vending machines too, are they?   or the ration of black to white people cleaning sewage drains?  It's always about the C-Suite positions and positions of power.

That's why all this is nothing but a money and power grab.  Has absolutely ZERO to do with equality.

[TimHauck 3,302]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Does playing football teach you how to … Deal with the media, fans, team execs? 

Yes

[Ron_Artest 2,183]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

True, although it depends on the position.  Some positions are more cerebral than others.

Does playing football teach you how to manage 70-ish elite athletes, and more support staff?  Deal with the media, fans, team execs?  Are those skills more important than the 40?

There used to be an expression:  those who can't, teach.  The idea was that those who struggled physically understood the work that went into to achieving excellence better than those who were naturally physically gifted.  I guess that isn't true anymore.   

Yes, playing football helps you become a better coach, which is why pretty much every coach was a former player on some level.

And that old expression meaning was that those that failed at a discipline had no other choice than to teach it.  Had nothing to do with physical talent.

[TimHauck 3,302]

4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Yes, playing football helps you become a better coach, which is why pretty much every coach was a former player on some level.

And that old expression meaning was that those that failed at a discipline had no other choice than to teach it.  Had nothing to do with physical talent.

It helps, but it’s not a requirement.  Overall I wouldn’t say we should be comparing against either the % of the total population or the % of players.  Probably somewhere in the middle.

[Fireballer 2,677]

The NHL needs a Rooney rule

[Horseman 2,684]

7 hours ago, Raven Fan said:

Imagine going through life hating others because of the color of their skin.

Nothing but low education, hateful cultist.

SAD

Says the guy that claims to be educated but still makes about as much as a plumber's does. 

[jerryskids 7,068]

58 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yes

Wrong

[jerryskids 7,068]

47 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Yes, playing football helps you become a better coach, which is why pretty much every coach was a former player on some level.

And that old expression meaning was that those that failed at a discipline had no other choice than to teach it.  Had nothing to do with physical talent.

Wrong. It specifically has to do with lack of talent.  Just bow out, Gutter, you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Ron_Artest 2,183]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Wrong. It specifically has to do with lack of talent.  Just bow out, Gutter, you have no idea what you are talking about.

You don't even know who you're talking to.

[jerryskids 7,068]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

You don't even know who you're talking to.

Well you aren't Rusty  

And you haven't manned up to who you are.  So I'm going with pretend centrist Gutter who gets a woody trolling here all day 

[seafoam1 3,409]

6 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

Excellent. You agree then that acceptance into highly regarded educational institutions should be soley based on testing scores and extra-curricular activity and not skin color. 

Excellent. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,339]

2 hours ago, Horseman said:

Says the guy that claims to be educated but still makes about as much as a plumber's does. 

Dude.  Plumbers are making wayyyyy more than that POS.

[TimHauck 3,302]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Wrong

Playing in the NFL doesn’t help guys learn how to deal with the media, executives, and fans? Interesting hill to die on, Jerry.

[seafoam1 3,409]

15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Playing in the NFL doesn’t help guys learn how to deal with the media, executives, and fans? Interesting hill to die on, Jerry.

Yeah. They are idiots. It's not hard. 

[Raven Fan 362]

5 hours ago, Horseman said:

Says the guy that claims to be educated but still makes about as much as a plumber's does. 

You bagging on what plumbers make insecure boi?

And weird, did you spend more of your IRL time stalking me again?  Can you post up a link to a post, like you LOVE to do stalker, that says how much I make?

I've never met a stalker before who tried to bag on what someone makes when they have to steal $7 streams and runs from $500 bets.

Insecure, anxiety-ridden, stalker boi.

I laugh at your insecure ass little girl.

haha

[Horseman 2,684]

6 hours ago, Raven Fan said:

You bagging on what plumbers make insecure boi?

And weird, did you spend more of your IRL time stalking me again?  Can you post up a link to a post, like you LOVE to do stalker, that says how much I make?

I've never met a stalker before who tried to bag on what someone makes when they have to steal $7 streams and runs from $500 bets.

Insecure, anxiety-ridden, stalker boi.

I laugh at your insecure ass little girl.

haha

It's a forum dumb ass, responding to each other is the purpose. Holy fok you're an idiot. 

Everyone knows my watch is worth more than your car.

[Raven Fan 362]

3 minutes ago, Horseman said:

It's a forum dumb ass, responding to each other is the purpose. Holy fok you're an idiot. 

Everyone knows my watch is worth more than your car.

Imagine being so insecure IRL that you need to stalk other posters and brag about a watch.

Holy chit what an epic and pathetic fail you are boyo.  

How's the 50 year old bikini model wife...LOLOLOLOLOL

Insecure, beta, cuck is no way to go through life boyo.

But love it for you.

[seafoam1 3,409]

Just now, Raven Fan said:

Imagine being so insecure IRL that you need to stalk other posters and brag about a watch.

Holy chit what an epic and pathetic fail you are boyo.  

How's the 50 year old bikini model wife...LOLOLOLOLOL

Insecure, beta, cuck is no way to go through life boyo.

But love it for you.

You are kind of losing all over the place. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

1 minute ago, Raven Fan said:

Imagine being so insecure IRL that you need to stalk other posters and brag about a watch.

Holy chit what an epic and pathetic fail you are boyo.  

How's the 50 year old bikini model wife...LOLOLOLOLOL

Insecure, beta, cuck is no way to go through life boyo.

But love it for you.

Mentally handicapped saying the same things over and over. Are you rocking back and forth right now?  Go take your meds. 

[kilroy69 1,268]

20 hours ago, thegeneral said:

It did seem pretty odd there were so few  black coaches in a league with so many black players. 

6 percent of the US are black males.  6 percent of 32 is rounded up to 2. There has not been a lack of black head coaches for a long time. It is like the female wage gap. Something fun to talk about but not real. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,660]

15 hours ago, squistion said:

I know what a Straw Man argument is, and you apparently have no clue.

 

Your post has proven that you don't.

[Raven Fan 362]

2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

You are kind of losing all over the place. 

 

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Mentally handicapped saying the same things over and over. Are you rocking back and forth right now?  Go take your meds. 

Ah look at the cultist trying to protect their poor, insecure fellow cultist.

It's almost cute...If you guys really want to help, maybe hook Horsesass up a little so he doesn't need to steal a $7 steam and perhaps he'll be just a little less insecure.

[TimHauck 3,302]

34 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

6 percent of the US are black males.  6 percent of 32 is rounded up to 2. There has not been a lack of black head coaches for a long time. It is like the female wage gap. Something fun to talk about but not real. 

Wrong

[TimHauck 3,302]

9 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

Yeah. They are idiots. It's not hard. 

Who are idiots?  NFL players?

[seafoam1 3,409]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Wrong

He's correct. What are you trying to sell?

[TimHauck 3,302]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

He's correct. What are you trying to sell?

There is a gender wage gap and there was previously a lack of black head coaches.   But this year’s hires have helped a lot in that regard.

[seafoam1 3,409]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

There is a gender wage gap and there was previously a lack of black head coaches.   But this year’s hires have helped a lot in that regard.

Gender is closer to 50/50.

Black men are closer to 6% of population. How are they going to fill all the jobs you want them to fill?

[kilroy69 1,268]

21 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

There is a gender wage gap and there was previously a lack of black head coaches.   But this year’s hires have helped a lot in that regard.

The idea of a gender wage gap is a lie by omission. Women are paid less but they do different work. Women and men  in the same industries with the same amount of time are paid the same. 

[jerryskids 7,068]

10 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Playing in the NFL doesn’t help guys learn how to deal with the media, executives, and fans? Interesting hill to die on, Jerry.

I missed that you selectively quoted part of my post.

To these points, yes, to some extent, although it doesn't make you good at it.  Certainly not one of the 32 best at it.

In hindsight, I should have stuck with the management side of the argument.