Details released on bipartisan immigration bill that MAGAturds don't want because it vaporizes a Clownzo campaign issue

[TheNewGirl 1,491]

3 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Question to the board, is Rusty just trolling or his he really this stupid?  And I mean that with all sincerity.  Is he really this ignorant and incompetent or is it just an act?

Both. 

[The Real timschochet 6,766]

2 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Imagine starting a thread like this without even reading what's in the bill.   

Russia + Ukraine + 1000 more border agents to process "asylum seekers" faster.

Only an idiot would sign up for that.

1. Where are you reading this? 
2. What ahould be done with people who are seeking asylum legally? 

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Just now, TheNewGirl said:

There was also a SCHOOL that had children sent home for remote learning so illegals could move in. 

 

 

In several lib cities they're housing the illegals in the airport.   Going to the airport is a pain in the A$$ enough without having to wade through a bunch of illegals.

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

1. Where are you reading this? 
2. What ahould be done with people who are seeking asylum legally? 

Our law states that if you're seeking asylum you have  to stop at the first country you can on the way to the U.S..  If you travel through 10 countries to get here you aren't doing it legally. 

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Just now, Strike said:

 

In several lib cities they're housing the illegals in the airport.   Going to the airport is a pain in the A$$ enough without having to wade through a bunch of illegals.

It is focking surreal what biden is doing to this country. What LIBERALS are doing to this country. 

[Horseman 2,458]

After Trump fixes this problem and expels all these people l say lets send all of our homeless to these chit hole countries to teach them a lesson.  

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Just now, Strike said:

Our law states that if you're seeking asylum you have  to stop at the first country you can on the way to the U.S..  If you travel through 10 countries to get here you aren't doing it legally. 

How do we know how many countries they’ve travelled through if we can’t process them? 
 

Processiny them doesn’t mean letting them in. If you’re correct about the law (I have no idea) then the ones who went through several countries would be deemed ineligible and not allowed to stay. But I don’t see how we can determine that if we don’t have the manpower to investigate it. 

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

How do we know how many countries they’ve travelled through if we can’t process them? 
 

Processiny them doesn’t mean letting them in. If you’re correct about the law (I have no idea) then the ones who went through several countries would be deemed ineligible and not allowed to stay. But I don’t see how we can determine that if we don’t have the manpower to investigate it. 

!@!#SHOCKING!!@#@

Do you think those that travel through several countries are HONEST about how many countries they've traveled through? 

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

How do we know how many countries they’ve travelled through if we can’t process them? 
 

Processiny them doesn’t mean letting them in. If you’re correct about the law (I have no idea) then the ones who went through several countries would be deemed ineligible and not allowed to stay. But I don’t see how we can determine that if we don’t have the manpower to investigate it. 

WTF are you talking about?  We ARE processing them.   At least the ones who stop and want to get processed.  And we then hand them a court date 10 years down the road that they won't show up for.  It's like you're totally ignorant on this issue.  Why am I not surprised?

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Just now, Strike said:

WTF are you talking about?  We ARE processing them.   At least the ones who stop and want to get processed.  And we then hand them a court date 10 years down the road that they won't show up for.  It's like you're totally ignorant on this issue.  Why am I not surprised?

And I don't believe we send them home to wait for their court date, they stay here and kind of "disappear." 

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Just now, TheNewGirl said:

!@!#SHOCKING!!@#@

Do you think those that travel through several countries are HONEST about how many countries they've traveled through? 

I don't think we even ask.   Biden is just rubber stamping them in to the country. 

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Just now, TheNewGirl said:

And I don't believe we send them home to wait for their court date, they stay here and kind of "disappear." 

One of the best things Trump did was "remain in Mexico."   And Biden dumped it on his first day in office.

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

WTF are you talking about?  We ARE processing them.   At least the ones who stop and want to get processed.  And we then hand them a court date 10 years down the road that they won't show up for.  It's like you're totally ignorant on this issue.  Why am I not surprised?

He doesn't know the law and clearly isn't inclined to research and find out what the law actually states. 

He just blindly follows because "NOT TRUMP."  

It's really kind of proof of how some Dem voters actual operate. They don't bother to learn. Just see that it's MAGA/Red/Republican and automatically tout it as BAD!!! Just like RLLD said in another thread, they just don't bother to realize what consequences are. 

Tim is also part of the rich in CA. He runs a family owned business. I am guessing that he's never truly experienced hardship, deciding whether to pay rent or turn on the heat. Hiring illegals/migrant workers is in his wheel house. What does he care? 

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Just now, TheNewGirl said:

He doesn't know the law and clearly isn't inclined to research and find out what the law actually states. 

He just blindly follows because "NOT TRUMP."  

It's really kind of proof of how some Dem voters actual operate. They don't bother to learn. Just see that it's MAGA/Red/Republican and automatically tout it as BAD!!! Just like RLLD said in another thread, they just don't bother to realize what consequences are. 

Tim is also part of the rich in CA. He runs a family owned business. I am guessing that he's never truly experienced hardship, deciding whether to pay rent or turn on the heat. Hiring illegals/migrant workers is in his wheel house. What does he care? 

Yep.  Tim is just an ignorant, white guilt ridden, nepotism baby. 

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Just now, Horseman said:

After Trump fixes this problem and expels all these people 

And here is the problem: the main reason you guys don’t want to compromise on this issue is that you think that Trump is going to come in and solve it in the manner you would like: But unless Trump actually becomes a dictator, he can’t, because under our current system you don’t have the votes to do this and you never will. 
 

You can reinstate remain in Mexico- maybe. You can reinstate some of Trump’s more stringent methods, though not nearly all of them because of legal challenges and the end of the pandemic crisis: You can build a little more of the wall, though once again that will take years and there will be more legal challenges. But the main stuff that Trump is promising and you seem to be expecting: a “shutdown” of the border and mass deportation of undocumented people already here, an end to funding of sanctuary cities- none of that is ever going to happen unless Trump becomes a dictator. 

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6 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

!@!#SHOCKING!!@#@

Do you think those that travel through several countries are HONEST about how many countries they've traveled through? 

No. Maybe some of them are but certainly not all. How can we know without processing them? 

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28 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

When have I ever said any of that? Typical MAGAturd fabrication. 

The point is that Clownzo is trying to derail a bipartisan bill under Biden's watch because its passing would hurt him politically.

Biden has made concessions in the name of bipartisan support, but now MAGAturds are , deflecting, gish galloping and fabricating information because their boy won't be able to whine as much about the border during his campaign.

What concessions?  Or is that what VOA told you?

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58 minutes ago, Strike said:

Not sure what you mean.  Has this bill been passed by congress?  Does 100% of congress agree with it even if it passed?  I suspect not given the comments I've read from some Senators.  So how is it any different than the Geek Club or are you just going for a "GOTCHA" post?

What I mean is you have a stick up your butt. so lighten up Francis

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. Maybe some of them are but certainly not all. How can we know without processing them? 

I already told you.  We DO process them.  FFS.

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7 minutes ago, Strike said:

WTF are you talking about?  We ARE processing them.   At least the ones who stop and want to get processed.  And we then hand them a court date 10 years down the road that they won't show up for.  It's like you're totally ignorant on this issue.  Why am I not surprised?

No Im aware of all these details. I would like them to have immediate court dates or better yet a means to streamline it: I think 10 years is an exaggeration but it’s definitely many months down the road which is too long. 

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Just now, Strike said:

I already told you.  We Due process them.  FFS.

Process means verify if they truly have a case to make for asylum. And if they don’t immediate deportation. Process doesn’t mean stamp them, give them a court date months or years down the line and let them in. Thats unacceptable. 

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

No Im aware of all these details. I would like them to have immediate court dates or better yet a means to streamline it: I think 10 years is an exaggeration but it’s definitely many months down the road which is too long. 

You just love repeatedly showing your ignorance by not even being aware of easily verifiable FACTS:

https://nypost.com/2023/05/11/migrants-admitted-to-us-given-2035-immigration-court-dates/

https://apnews.com/article/immigration-courts-wait-54bb5f7c18c4c37c6ca7f28231ff0edf

Want some more links?

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9 minutes ago, Strike said:

One of the best things Trump did was "remain in Mexico."   And Biden dumped it on his first day in office.

Remain in Mexico is beautiful in a way similar to shipping them to blue cities/states.  All of a sudden, Mexico is much more interested in processing them as they come into their country, instead of just pointing them towards the US border.  Liberals don't understand incentives or consequences, however.

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Process means verify if they truly have a case to make for asylum. And if they don’t immediate deportation. Process doesn’t mean stamp them, give them a court date months or years down the line and let them in. Thats unacceptable. 

No it doesn't.  That is called judging their case. 

[TheNewGirl 1,491]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Process means verify if they truly have a case to make for asylum. And if they don’t immediate deportation. Process doesn’t mean stamp them, give them a court date months or years down the line and let them in. Thats unacceptable. 

This is how it works. 

They don't verify them on the spot. The individual needs to go before the court and determine if they have a case. You think these people just show up with all their ducks in a row? 

They. Have. To. Go. To. Court. 

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11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

How do we know how many countries they’ve travelled through if we can’t process them? 
 

Processiny them doesn’t mean letting them in. If you’re correct about the law (I have no idea) then the ones who went through several countries would be deemed ineligible and not allowed to stay. But I don’t see how we can determine that if we don’t have the manpower to investigate it. 

Holy crap, man.  You have countless post defending these “asylees” and you don’t even know the law?  You think people can legally come from all over the world and seek asylum here?  In addition, they HAVE to come from an real point of entry, not holes cut in Texas’ razor wire.  And you know what processing means?  They’re turned loose after initial contact until their hearing.  And that’s just the ones who are following the process.  

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8 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

He doesn't know the law and clearly isn't inclined to research and find out what the law actually states. 

He just blindly follows because "NOT TRUMP."  

It's really kind of proof of how some Dem voters actual operate. They don't bother to learn. Just see that it's MAGA/Red/Republican and automatically tout it as BAD!!! Just like RLLD said in another thread, they just don't bother to realize what consequences are. 

Tim is also part of the rich in CA. He runs a family owned business. I am guessing that he's never truly experienced hardship, deciding whether to pay rent or turn on the heat. Hiring illegals/migrant workers is in his wheel house. What does he care? 

You make a lot of assumptions about my motivations without having read what I’ve written about this subject. And you’re wrong. 
 

But you’re correct that I’ve never experienced a choice between paying rent or turning the heat on. I’m grateful for that. But I don’t think it inhibits my, or anyone’s ability to make informed judgments about how society should be run. Wouldn’t such a description also invalidate Biden and Trump? 

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4 minutes ago, Strike said:

You just love repeatedly showing your ignorance by not even being aware of easily verifiable FACTS:

https://nypost.com/2023/05/11/migrants-admitted-to-us-given-2035-immigration-court-dates/

https://apnews.com/article/immigration-courts-wait-54bb5f7c18c4c37c6ca7f28231ff0edf

Want some more links?

No thanks. I’m happy to be informed. But again doesn’t this just go to the point that we need to streamline this? I read the details of the House bill that was passed, which is what the Republicans want. They don’t address speeding up these court dates or streamlining the process at all: 

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You make a lot of assumptions about my motivations without having read what I’ve written about this subject. And you’re wrong. 
 

But you’re correct that I’ve never experienced a choice between paying rent or turning the heat on. I’m grateful for that. But I don’t think it inhibits my, or anyone’s ability to make informed judgments about how society should be run. Wouldn’t such a description also invalidate Biden and Trump? 

How can you make informed judgments when you're so totally ignorant of the subject material?  Did you use a lot of cliff notes to get through school?

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

No thanks. I’m happy to be informed. But again doesn’t this just go to the point that we need to streamline this? I read the details of the House bill that was passed, which is what the Republicans want. They don’t address speeding up these court dates or streamlining the process at all: 

When you have a broken pipe in your basement that is causing a flood your first course of action is to shut off the water and fix the pipe.  Then you decide what to do with disease infected water left behind.

[Horseman 2,458]

Blow harder blowhard.

Don't understand why you guys waste your time, he's human filth.  

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I don't think I've owned someone on immigration the way I'm doing to Tim here since the great "being here illegally is not a crime" thread with TorridMuhammad.

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4 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Holy crap, man.  You have countless post defending these “asylees” and you don’t even know the law?  You think people can legally come from all over the world and seek asylum here?  In addition, they HAVE to come from a real point of entry, not holes cut in Texas’ razor wire.  And you know what processing means?  They’re turned loose after initial contact until their hearing.  And that’s just the ones who are following the process.  

I have countless posts defending undocumented immigrants already here. I don’t have a lot regarding the asylum seekers because it’s a little different category and I admittedly haven’t followed it as closely. 
 

Your statement “they’re turned loosed after initial contact until their hearing” is, it seems to me most of the problem. I think we can agree that this should not happen. How can we rectify that? I would like an immediate hearing or investigation of some sort to see if they’re truly eligible for asylum. If they’re not they can’t stay. But I don’t see how we can accomplish this without a ton more border agents which is what the Democrats have offered. 

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4 minutes ago, Strike said:

When you have a broken pipe in your basement that is causing a flood your first course of action is to shut off the water and fix the pipe.  Then you decide what to do with disease infected water left behind.

What exactly does “fix the pipe” mean here? Be specific. 

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3 minutes ago, Strike said:

I don't think I've owned someone on immigration the way I'm doing to Tim here since the great "being here illegally is not a crime" thread with TorridMuhammad.

I don’t mind being corrected. You seem to enjoy “owning” me more than addressing the issue.

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

But I don’t see how we can accomplish this without a ton more border agents which is what the Democrats have offered. 

How about controlling sheer quantity of people entering?

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

I have countless posts defending undocumented immigrants already here. I don’t have a lot regarding the asylum seekers because it’s a little different category and I admittedly haven’t followed it as closely. 
 

Your statement “they’re turned loosed after initial contact until their hearing” is, it seems to me most of the problem. I think we can agree that this should not happen. How can we rectify that? I would like an immediate hearing or investigation of some sort to see if they’re truly eligible for asylum. If they’re not they can’t stay. But I don’t see how we can accomplish this without a ton more border agents which is what the Democrats have offered. 

You lose. Stop trying. You can go hire a couple illegals for 5 bucks an hour to pick up human shlt in your broken down buildings all you want, but that contributes nothing to a good society. Moreso it enhances poverty. 

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

What exactly does “fix the pipe” mean here? Be specific. 

It's not obvious?  Seriously?  Secure our border. 

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8 minutes ago, Strike said:

How can you make informed judgments when you're so totally ignorant of the subject material?  

I can’t on the specific subject of asylum seekers. I’m trying to learn and ask questions on that subject. I certainly can on the question of mass deportation and other proposals that Trump has made, 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t mind being corrected. You seem to enjoy “owning” me more than addressing the issue.

WTF are you talking about?  My stance on illegals is clear.  Has been for decades.  And consistent.