Another fast food place closes in CA same day as minimum wage goes to $20

[Baker Boy 1,694]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well here’s the thing. When I make these claims (that undocumented immigrants are a net economic benefit, that they commit less violent crime by percentage than native born citizens), I always back them up with studies and statistical data. All of you guys that disagree with me, you have a bunch of really ugly anecdotes. No evidence, no data. Just a lot of scapegoating. You also have, unfortunately, a plurality of Americans who probably agree with you on a lot of this. But all of the evidence out there suggests that I’m right and you’re wrong. 

OK links?

[The Real timschochet 6,661]

Just now, Baker Boy said:

OK links?

I’ve provided them already, not just in this thread but literally dozens of times. 

[Baker Boy 1,694]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’ve provided them already, not just in this thread but literally dozens of times. 

Then it should be easy for you to find them. I’ve never read any of them.

link or lie?

[The Real timschochet 6,661]

Just for you @Baker Boy

https://www.newamericaneconomy.org/issues/undocumented-immigrants/

 

[Baker Boy 1,694]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Just for you @Baker Boy

https://www.newamericaneconomy.org/issues/undocumented-immigrants/

 

That doesn’t prove anything you said

[TimHauck 2,737]

13 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well here’s the thing. When I make these claims (that undocumented immigrants are a net economic benefit, that they commit less violent crime by percentage than native born citizens), I always back them up with studies and statistical data. All of you guys that disagree with me, you have a bunch of really ugly anecdotes. No evidence, no data. Just a lot of scapegoating. You also have, unfortunately, a plurality of Americans who probably agree with you on a lot of this. But all of the evidence out there suggests that I’m right and you’re wrong. 

Well we have recently found something that can make GC righties admit they are wrong.  If the Daily Caller retracts an article.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,280]

2 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

That doesn’t prove anything you said

It proves he doesn’t read very well. They claim there are 11 million illegal people in the country.  We blew past that a long time ago. I’m wondering how old that is or if they are just lying to easily fooled marks. 

[The Real timschochet 6,661]

9 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

That doesn’t prove anything you said

You must be a pretty fast reader. I guess you overlooked the list of monetary contributions by state? 
 

Here’s more: 

The economic benefits of illegal immigration outweigh the costs:

https://phys.org/news/2020-05-economic-benefits-illegal-immigration-outweigh.amp

The truth about illegal immigration and crime: 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/29/truth-about-illegal-immigration-crime/

Note: before somebody comments, I have no problem with the phrase “illegal immigration” because that’s what it is. I DO have a problem with calling people illegals. 

 

 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,661]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It proves he doesn’t read very well. They claim there are 11 million illegal people in the country.  We blew past that a long time ago. I’m wondering how old that is or if they are just lying to easily fooled marks. 

Of course. I figure there are about 15 million now. But they’re even more a net benefit than they were before. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,280]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

You must be a pretty fast reader. I guess you overlooked the list of monetary contributions by state? 
 

Here’s more: 

The economic benefits of illegal immigration (not outweigh the costs:

https://phys.org/news/2020-05-economic-benefits-illegal-immigration-outweigh.amp

The truth about illegal immigration and crime: 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/29/truth-about-illegal-immigration-crime/

Note: before somebody comments, I have no problem with the phrase “illegal immigration” because that’s what it is. I DO have a problem with calling people illegals. 

 

 

 

2020. We have significantly more illegal people in this country now. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,280]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Of course. I figure there are about 15 million now. But they’re even more a net benefit than they were before. 

So only 4 million since it was 11 million, whenever that was? 

[The Real timschochet 6,661]

11 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

2020. We have significantly more illegal people in this country now. 

Whats your point? If they were a benefit then they’re even more of one now. If they weren’t violent criminals then they aren’t now either. All of the same facts remain true. 

[The Real timschochet 6,661]

12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So only 4 million since it was 11 million, whenever that was? 

Not sure. Nobody is. 

[Baker Boy 1,694]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Whats your point? If they were a benefit then they’re even more of one now. If they weren’t violent criminals then they aren’t now either. All of the same facts remain true. 

Since Biden took office illegal aliens are a net negative to the United States.

[The Real timschochet 6,661]

1 minute ago, Baker Boy said:

Since Biden took office illegal aliens are a net negative to the United States.

It’s possible. The numbers have exploded- not, I believe, due to anything Biden did or didn’t do, but because of the economic dislocation caused by Covid. So I will concede that it’s possible at least in the short term. Long term I don’t think so and the studies back me up. 

But let’s also discuss my second contention: Trump’s main argument against illegal immigration is not the economic consequences but that, according to him, they are bad people who commit violent crime. They “are poisoning the blood of America”- I think that’s a direct quote. I offered an article from this year about illegal immigration and crime and it presents facts and statistics that completely refute Trump’s position. 

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5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s possible. The numbers have exploded- not, I believe, due to anything Biden did or didn’t do, but because of the economic dislocation caused by Covid. So I will concede that it’s possible at least in the short term. Long term I don’t think so and the studies back me up. 

But let’s also discuss my second contention: Trump’s main argument against illegal immigration is not the economic consequences but that, according to him, they are bad people who commit violent crime. They “are poisoning the blood of America”- I think that’s a direct quote. I offered an article from this year about illegal immigration and crime and it presents facts and statistics that completely refute Trump’s position. 

Trump has shifted from crying about the economy to illegal immigration because the economy is good and he can’t deny it.

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

You must be a pretty fast reader. I guess you overlooked the list of monetary contributions by state? 
 

Here’s more: 

The economic benefits of illegal immigration outweigh the costs:

https://phys.org/news/2020-05-economic-benefits-illegal-immigration-outweigh.amp

The truth about illegal immigration and crime: 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/29/truth-about-illegal-immigration-crime/

Note: before somebody comments, I have no problem with the phrase “illegal immigration” because that’s what it is. I DO have a problem with calling people illegals. 

 

 

 

Do you not find it odd that even though the article specifically mentions Texas, and that it benefits, that Texas is doing all it can to stop the flow and ship illegal immigrants to other locales?  If your take is that Gov. Abbott is mistaken about it, then are blue politicians such as Mayor Adams in NY, etc also mistaken? 

It seems wherever volumes of these folks are shipped, economic hardships follow.  Let me be clear, there are good and bad people in every group, but if by in large this subset of folks were an economic benefit, why are these cities and localities struggling so badly?  I still think it's pretty easy to find jobs out there for unskilled labor.  We can agree there is some need for some of that, however while some of them are indeed filling those jobs, we seem to have large volumes draining resources without offset as well.

I know we simply aren't going to agree here.  But I find it interesting when the rubber is forced to meet the road in some of these sanctuary cities, suddenly this theoretic economic benefit dissipates like a fart in the wind and they become overwhelmed not only from an infrastructure standpoint but a fiscal one as well.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,280]

48 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Trump has shifted from crying about the economy to illegal immigration because the economy is good and he can’t deny it.

Gas prices steadily rising. 

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9 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

With the extra money these workers have in their pockets, at least the ones who don't lose their jobs, will they be able to afford fast food themselves? 

 

 

 

I'm old, i remeber when fast food employment was a starter, part time job for high school kids.

 

Still in my 30s but I worked at Mickey Ds a year in HS.  The manager was maybe 40, all the employees were HS kids, a couple college kids, and moms who put in some hours when kids were in school.  Was a job for some extra cash, not to support yourself. 

[RLLD 4,201]

Fast food workers blindsided by sudden closure of Fosters Freeze in Lemoore

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"Now they're getting laid off. They're losing their jobs," restaurant owner Angela Marsden told Fox News host Dana Perino. "Gavin Newsom, I hope the United States is watching. I hope he never becomes president. This man is destroying California. I don't understand why people can't see that he's the biggest trickster of all time."

We likely see more and more of this.  Over time these businesses will fight to stay open, but many of them will simply have to close.....

Liberals are focking morons....

[RLLD 4,201]

Mod Pizza has shut down 27 restaurants across the U.S., including 5 in California, on March 22, 2024.

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"Not from corporate directly, but I do have a feeling it had to do with the $20.00 an hour increase, seeing as they knew it was coming," he said.

Initially, he says he was for California bumping up minimum wages for fast food workers...

"For the extra money, yeah," he said. I mean, nobody is going to turn down a raise, but at the end of the day, with repercussions like this, was it worth it?"

No....it was not worth it....but now that its happening you understand something you should have known all along......but hey, five years from now the Democrats will say they made a mistake.....so its all good....

[RLLD 4,201]

Lets not forget that the allowance for crime is also closing stores...

[BrahmaBulls 666]

13 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well here’s the thing. When I make these claims (that undocumented immigrants are a net economic benefit, that they commit less violent crime by percentage than native born citizens), I always back them up with studies and statistical data. All of you guys that disagree with me, you have a bunch of really ugly anecdotes. No evidence, no data. Just a lot of scapegoating. You also have, unfortunately, a plurality of Americans who probably agree with you on a lot of this. But all of the evidence out there suggests that I’m right and you’re wrong. 

I think we need to have the IRS look into your shady business practices of underpaying them for their work and tax evasion as well.  You're illegal just like they are.

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29 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Mod Pizza has shut down 27 restaurants across the U.S., including 5 in California, on March 22, 2024.

No....it was not worth it....but now that its happening you understand something you should have known all along......but hey, five years from now the Democrats will say they made a mistake.....so its all good....

What caused the 22 restaurants to close in the other states? Obviously not the $20 an hour minimum wage (so the wages may just be a convenient excuse to mask bad corporate decisions, like maybe choosing bad locations).

And Mod Pizza has 58 total restaurants in California, so the other 53 apparently are profitable enough to keep open despite this oppressive wage increase. https://www.scrapehero.com/location-reports/Modpizza-USA/

[RLLD 4,201]

4 minutes ago, squistion said:

What caused the 22 restaurants to close in the other states? Obviously not the $20 an hour minimum wage (so the wages may just be a convenient excuse to mask bad corporate decisions, like maybe choosing bad locations).

And Mod Pizza has 58 total restaurants in California, so the other 53 apparently are profitable enough to keep open despite this oppressive wage increase. https://www.scrapehero.com/location-reports/Modpizza-USA/

I posted that link on purpose.....just to ensure I got this response....because I wanted to ensure that the first move of a liberal would be to attempt to explain it away instead of facing it down.....

Thank you......

[squistion 2,135]

9 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I posted that link on purpose.....just to ensure I got this response....because I wanted to ensure that the first move of a liberal would be to attempt to explain it away instead of facing it down.....

Thank you......

All you ensured was that you would get asked some logical questions you can't seem to answer, like:

Why are the other 53 locations in California remaining open despite the oppressive wage increase?

What was behind the closure of the 22 stores in other states? (Hint: not a $20 an hour minimum wage). 

[RLLD 4,201]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

All you ensured was that you would get asked some logical questions you can't seem to answer, like:

Why are the other 53 locations in California remaining open despite the oppressive wage increase?

What was behind the closure of the 22 stores in other states? (Hint: not a $20 an hour minimum wage). 

The outcome met my expectations, your reframing it aside....I am not that easily gaslighted....  

You did exactly as I predicted, I sought confirmation of how the liberal mind works and you happily confirmed.

The way you, and admittedly others, think about economics betrays your lack of understanding....this notion....that there is an immediate impact is farcical....there will be fore a select few, but the harm will arise over time....it will have to harm alot of people for a while before any correction is possible....not unlike the drug laws in oregon......

Here is a fun question....do you understand the linkage between this idiotic move and rents?

[Baker Boy 1,694]

46 minutes ago, squistion said:

What caused the 22 restaurants to close in the other states? Obviously not the $20 an hour minimum wage (so the wages may just be a convenient excuse to mask bad corporate decisions, like maybe choosing bad locations).

And Mod Pizza has 58 total restaurants in California, so the other 53 apparently are profitable enough to keep open despite this oppressive wage increase. https://www.scrapehero.com/location-reports/Modpizza-USA/

They are closing because the economy is booming.

[Maximum Overkill 1,915]

People don't want a $30 burger? Hmmm

[squistion 2,135]

13 minutes ago, RLLD said:

The outcome met my expectations, your reframing it aside....I am not that easily gaslighted....  

You did exactly as I predicted, I sought confirmation of how the liberal mind works and you happily confirmed.

The way you, and admittedly others, think about economics betrays your lack of understanding....this notion....that there is an immediate impact is farcical....there will be fore a select few, but the harm will arise over time....it will have to harm alot of people for a while before any correction is possible....not unlike the drug laws in oregon......

Here is a fun question....do you understand the linkage between this idiotic move and rents?

I understand there is obviously something else going on with this company that resulted in the closure of 22 stores in other states (that was not related to the $20 an hour minimum wage) ant that you have been unable to explain. 

[The Real timschochet 6,661]

1 hour ago, BrahmaBulls said:

I think we need to have the IRS look into your shady business practices of underpaying them for their work and tax evasion as well.  You're illegal just like they are.

You’re showing some ignorance here. I don’t break the law but if I did, the IRS is not the agency that would be investigating my employment practices. HTH. 

[RLLD 4,201]

15 minutes ago, squistion said:

I understand there is obviously something else going on with this company that resulted in the closure of 22 stores in other states (that was not related to the $20 an hour minimum wage) ant that you have been unable to explain. 

Of course there is, and you met my expectations to focus only on that element, ignoring all else.....I just wanted to see if a liberal would do so....you did not disappoint.,..

[squistion 2,135]

Just now, RLLD said:

Of course there is, and you met my expectations to focus only on that element, ignoring all else.....I just wanted to see if a liberal would do so....you did not disappoint.,..

You can't answer the simple questions I have posed.

[Voltaire 5,281]

21 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Again what you’re relating has no bearing on reality here in California. Small business food retail is thriving. It’s fully rebounded from Covid. 
 

And with most small businesses, minimum wage really isn’t relevant because they pay employees under the table. A majority of small restaurants here use undocumented labor: I keep trying to tell you guys this but you don’t listen.  

Can you clarify this, please. The way I rad this, you don't see a problem that low-skilled American citizens are priced out of the job market because their potential employers just pay illegal immigrants under the table?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,280]

The corporations will be able to absorb a lot of this in most of their locations. The little guy won’t be. So competition for the big guys will be eliminated or reduced.  Leftists always looking out for their donors. 

[Baker Boy 1,694]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re showing some ignorance here. I don’t break the law but if I did, the IRS is not the agency that would be investigating my employment practices. HTH. 

Who do you think investigates tax evasion?

[The Real timschochet 6,661]

@RLLD the thing is we’re not seeing a lot of restaurants closing their doors. It’s the exact opposite: in the busy areas (LA, Orange County, San Francisco, San Diego) it remains very hard to find good retail space. When something closes down it gets immediately replaced because the demand is great. 

Now in other parts of California: the Inland Empire, Riverside, Bakersfield, Fresno, etc-this is not the case. There is lots of vacancy because developers overbuilt. But that’s a 30 year old problem and has little to do with new regulations. 

[The Real timschochet 6,661]

6 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Can you clarify this, please. The way I rad this, you don't see a problem that low-skilled American citizens are priced out of the job market because their potential employers just pay illegal immigrants under the table?

Im telling you that price is only one reason that undocumented immigrants are hired. Another reason, just as important, is that the businesses are owned by people from the same country who desire to help family and friends. 

As far as this being a problem no not really. First we don’t have an employment problem in this country. In fact we need more labor. Eventually that might change due to robotics but when it does the marketplace will provide the solutions. Most importantly the use of undocumented labor in a variety of industries is key to controlling inflation. Simply put if we ever actually do what Trump and Republicans are proposing (mass round up and deportation, strict enforcement of hiring laws) our prices will skyrocket. 

[Baker Boy 1,694]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

@RLLD the thing is we’re not seeing a lot of restaurants closing their doors. It’s the exact opposite: in the busy areas (LA, Orange County, San Francisco, San Diego) it remains very hard to find good retail space. When something closes down it gets immediately replaced because the demand is great. 

Now in other parts of California: the Inland Empire, Riverside, Bakersfield, Fresno, etc-this is not the case. There is lots of vacancy because developers overbuilt. But that’s a 30 year old problem and has little to do with new regulations. 

A year into Measure ULA, a stiff real estate market in the city

Residential and commercial sales have both collapsed

 

https://therealdeal.com/magazine/april-2024/a-year-into-measure-ula-a-stiff-real-estate-market-in-the-city/

[Hardcore troubadour 15,280]

Don’t forget that Newsome excluded one of his leftist donors from this regulation.