Christian Nationalism

[BeachGuy23 642]

15 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Your team said they are.  They have their pick of jobs and their real wages outpace inflation.  Why are they struggling?

Do you expect us to engage in this moronic "logic" you're trying to throw at us?

Someone who struggles making $12/hr will likely still struggle making $15/hr. 

They'll just struggle a little less.

You didn't do well in school did you boyo?

[Patented Phil 1,469]

10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Umm his office issued a statement with his name on it. I doubt he read it. Conservatives blew it up. 

Conservatives blew it up?

 

On Transgender Day of Visibility, we honor the extraordinary courage and contributions of transgender Americans and reaffirm our Nation’s commitment to forming a more perfect Union — where all people are created equal and treated equally throughout their lives.  

I am proud that my Administration has stood for justice from the start, working to ensure that the LGBTQI+ community can live openly, in safety, with dignity and respect.  I am proud to have appointed transgender leaders to my Administration and to have ended the ban on transgender Americans serving openly in our military.  I am proud to have signed historic Executive Orders that strengthen civil rights protections in housing, employment, health care, education, the justice system, and more.  I am proud to have signed the Respect for Marriage Act into law, ensuring that every American can marry the person they love. 

Transgender Americans are part of the fabric of our Nation.  Whether serving their communities or in the military, raising families or running businesses, they help America thrive.  They deserve, and are entitled to, the same rights and freedoms as every other American, including the most fundamental freedom to be their true selves.  But extremists are proposing hundreds of hateful laws that target and terrify transgender kids and their families — silencing teachers; banning books; and even threatening parents, doctors, and nurses with prison for helping parents get care for their children.  These bills attack our most basic American values:  the freedom to be yourself, the freedom to make your own health care decisions, and even the right to raise your own child.  It is no surprise that the bullying and discrimination that transgender Americans face is worsening our Nation’s mental health crisis, leading half of transgender youth to consider suicide in the past year.  At the same time, an epidemic of violence against transgender women and girls, especially women and girls of color, continues to take too many lives.  Let me be clear:  All of these attacks are un-American and must end.  No one should have to be brave just to be themselves.  

At the same time, my Administration is working to stop the bullying and harassment of transgender children and their families.  The Department of Justice has taken action to push back against extreme and un-American State laws targeting transgender youth and their families and the Department of Justice is partnering with law enforcement and community groups to combat hate and violence.  My Administration is also providing dedicated emergency mental health support through our nationwide suicide and crisis lifeline — any LGBTQI+ young person in need can call “988” and press “3” to speak with a counselor trained to support them.  We are making public services more accessible for transgender Americans, including with more inclusive passports and easier access to Social Security benefits.  There is much more to do.  I continue to call on the Congress to pass the Equality Act, to codify civil rights protections for all LGBTQI+ Americans.

Today, we send a message to all transgender Americans:  You are loved.  You are heard.  You are understood.  You belong.  You are America, and my entire Administration and I have your back.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, JOSEPH R. BIDEN JR., President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim March 31, 2024, as Transgender Day of Visibility.  I call upon all Americans to join us in lifting up the lives and voices of transgender people throughout our Nation and to work toward eliminating violence and discrimination based on gender identity.

     IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this twenty-ninth day of March, in the year of our Lord two thousand twenty-four, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and forty-eighth.

                             JOSEPH R. BIDEN JR.

[Mike Honcho 5,145]

23 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Nobody said this was the first year to do it.  He did this on the heels of his EO promoting men in women’s sports, so he’s been strongly virtue signaling about this subject his whole term. Would you say a proclamation is a big deal, or you sticking with “tweet/no big deal”?  

Proclamations are made every day from the WH, so yup, I'm sticking with it's not big deal. 

Link to this EO please, I can't find it.

[The Real timschochet 6,516]

Just now, Patented Phil said:

Conservatives blew it up?

 

On Transgender Day of Visibility, we honor the extraordinary courage and contributions of transgender Americans and reaffirm our Nation’s commitment to forming a more perfect Union — where all people are created equal and treated equally throughout their lives.  

I am proud that my Administration has stood for justice from the start, working to ensure that the LGBTQI+ community can live openly, in safety, with dignity and respect.  I am proud to have appointed transgender leaders to my Administration and to have ended the ban on transgender Americans serving openly in our military.  I am proud to have signed historic Executive Orders that strengthen civil rights protections in housing, employment, health care, education, the justice system, and more.  I am proud to have signed the Respect for Marriage Act into law, ensuring that every American can marry the person they love. 

Transgender Americans are part of the fabric of our Nation.  Whether serving their communities or in the military, raising families or running businesses, they help America thrive.  They deserve, and are entitled to, the same rights and freedoms as every other American, including the most fundamental freedom to be their true selves.  But extremists are proposing hundreds of hateful laws that target and terrify transgender kids and their families — silencing teachers; banning books; and even threatening parents, doctors, and nurses with prison for helping parents get care for their children.  These bills attack our most basic American values:  the freedom to be yourself, the freedom to make your own health care decisions, and even the right to raise your own child.  It is no surprise that the bullying and discrimination that transgender Americans face is worsening our Nation’s mental health crisis, leading half of transgender youth to consider suicide in the past year.  At the same time, an epidemic of violence against transgender women and girls, especially women and girls of color, continues to take too many lives.  Let me be clear:  All of these attacks are un-American and must end.  No one should have to be brave just to be themselves.  

At the same time, my Administration is working to stop the bullying and harassment of transgender children and their families.  The Department of Justice has taken action to push back against extreme and un-American State laws targeting transgender youth and their families and the Department of Justice is partnering with law enforcement and community groups to combat hate and violence.  My Administration is also providing dedicated emergency mental health support through our nationwide suicide and crisis lifeline — any LGBTQI+ young person in need can call “988” and press “3” to speak with a counselor trained to support them.  We are making public services more accessible for transgender Americans, including with more inclusive passports and easier access to Social Security benefits.  There is much more to do.  I continue to call on the Congress to pass the Equality Act, to codify civil rights protections for all LGBTQI+ Americans.

Today, we send a message to all transgender Americans:  You are loved.  You are heard.  You are understood.  You belong.  You are America, and my entire Administration and I have your back.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, JOSEPH R. BIDEN JR., President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim March 31, 2024, as Transgender Day of Visibility.  I call upon all Americans to join us in lifting up the lives and voices of transgender people throughout our Nation and to work toward eliminating violence and discrimination based on gender identity.

     IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this twenty-ninth day of March, in the year of our Lord two thousand twenty-four, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and forty-eighth.

                             JOSEPH R. BIDEN JR.

You understand that’s a boilerplate proclamation right? Presidents sign literally hundreds of them every year (actually they don’t personally sign, there’s a stamp of their signature.) 

Like I wrote, conservatives blew it up. 

[MDC 7,166]

12 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Consistently low class, I appreciate you staying firm to something.

Keep it coming Ray! Insults are praise coming from your ilk.  

[The Real timschochet 6,516]

In any case there are plenty of Christians who are very welcoming of transgenders. The celebration of transgenderism is certainly hostile to intolerant Christianity but not to Christianity. 

[RLLD 4,154]

14 minutes ago, MDC said:

Keep it coming Ray! Insults are praise coming from your ilk.  

I am not insulting you, but you should be aware of your behaviors.  It might hurt your feelings to hear the truth, but you should still hear it.

[Fireballer 2,639]

11 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

Link to this EO please, I can't find it.

I’m not digging, but it was his 2nd day in office.  That coupled with his EO in June 2022, his 3 proclamations on Visibility Day, proclamations on Trans Memorial Day sure is support for conservatives blowing this up and proof of his indifference to the trans movement like you and Tim seem to be supporting. Oh and the HHS, which he is ultimately in charge of, still approves of minors having radical surgery to sex organs.  So, no big deal. 

[TimHauck 2,633]

3 hours ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Lower and middle income people have received wage increases far outstripping inflation boyo.  They can get any job they want.

And the question we were objecting to was the idiotic, moronic, stupidest claim of ALL TIME that this is the worst economy ever for the lower class.

To be fair to @RLLD, he didn’t say ever, he said “in their lifetime.”

Of course, if they were working in 2008 then he’s wrong.

[RLLD 4,154]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

To be fair to @RLLD, he didn’t say ever, he said “in their lifetime.”

Of course, if they were working in 2008 then he’s wrong.

Thank you for being an honest participant. Your assertion is correct, I did not correct it earlier on purpose.  Was hoping the overreaction might lead to more honest back and forth....

[TimHauck 2,633]

2 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

A big deal? A tweet  like he has done the previous 3 years? Huge deal.

 

This.  Did I miss the “Tranny Day cut off your balls and roll them down the White House lawn celebration”?

[MDC 7,166]

12 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I am not insulting you, but you should be aware of your behaviors.  It might hurt your feelings to hear the truth, but you should still hear it.

Nothing you could say would ever hurt my feelings Ray.  

[RLLD 4,154]

Just now, MDC said:

Nothing you could say would ever hurt my feelings Ray.  

I misunderstood what you wrote then, my apologies

[BeachGuy23 642]

 

11 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Thank you for being an honest participant. Your assertion is correct, I did not correct it earlier on purpose.  Was hoping the overreaction might lead to more honest back and forth....

good lord boyo.  Anyone old enough to work lived through 2008 FFS.  The vast majority of folks have lived through several recessions where they literally couldn't find jobs and had to rely on soup kitchens.

But today is much worse...SMH

Nothing but a partisan shill.  Dems = BAD,  Republicans = GOOD!

SAD

[RLLD 4,154]

7 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

 

good lord boyo.  Anyone old enough to work lived through 2008 FFS.  The vast majority of folks have lived through several recessions where they literally couldn't find jobs and had to rely on soup kitchens.

But today is much worse...SMH

Nothing but a partisan shill.  Dems = BAD,  Republicans = GOOD!

SAD

I am not clear if you are actively avoiding the reality here or if you are just over-relying on the hand=picked data.....

The distinction being active denial/lying vs simple cognitive dissonance....

I guess it does not really matter, since the people are speaking out now about how bad it is......and thats all the actually matters....that they accept it and vote against Democrats.....so long as that happens perhaps it does not matter if you accept the damage or not

[TimHauck 2,633]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I am not clear if you are actively avoiding the reality here or if you are just over-relying on the hand=picked data.....

The distinction being active denial/lying vs simple cognitive dissonance....

I guess it does not really matter, since the people are speaking out now about how bad it is......and thats all the actually matters....that they accept it and vote against Democrats.....so long as that happens perhaps it does not matter if you accept the damage or not

So you think the economy is worse right now for the lower class than 2008?

[RLLD 4,154]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

So you think the economy is worse right now for the lower class than 2008?

When you refer to 2008 I infer you are referring to the economic downturn driven by ignorant government policies.....

This is where it gets tricky, if you were to say ask......a politician....they will hand pick measurements that might say no.....or might say yes.... and you can certainly do both....example, the poverty rate was 13.2 percent in 2008, up from 12.5 percent rate in 2007.  Today, the poverty rate is 12.4%  an increase from 7.4% in 2021.

So then one would say.....well gee, it isnt so bad today....what are all you people whining about? 

Well, then you can play the game even more, using dollar value....   so then $100 in 2008 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $144.13 today, an increase of $44.13 over 16 years. The dollar had an average inflation rate of 2.31% per year between 2008 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 44.13%.

This means that today's prices are 1.44 times as high as average prices since 2008, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics consumer price index. A dollar today only buys 69.382% of what it could buy back then.

The inflation rate in 2008 was 3.84%. The current inflation rate compared to last year is now 3.15%. If this number holds, $100 today will be equivalent in buying power to $103.15 next year.

 

I can go on....but lets pause here for a moment.....none of that stupid sh!t matters when your life is worse today then it ever has been before.....period..... THAT is what people are now saying.....

Now we can refute them by dropping numbers and showing graphs.....but that will only p!ss them off....which is why I am perfectly fine with Democrats doing this very thing....

The more you gaslight, the more voters move away from you....and the safer they are 

[TimHauck 2,633]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

When you refer to 2008 I infer you are referring to the economic downturn driven by ignorant government policies.....

…

I can go on....but lets pause here for a moment.....none of that stupid sh!t matters when your life is worse today then it ever has been before.....period..... THAT is what people are now saying.....

The point is your last paragraph is not true on the whole. The 2008 recession caused like 10% unemployment.  It’s much worse to not have a job at all than to have a job (or multiple) and be barely scraping by.

But please, do tell how the 2008 recession was caused by “ignorant government policies” and not the banking/financial industry…

[RLLD 4,154]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The point is your last paragraph is not true on the whole. The 2008 recession caused like 10% unemployment.  It’s much worse to not have a job at all than to have a job (or multiple) and be barely scraping by.

But please, do tell how the 2008 recession was caused by “ignorant government policies” and not the banking/financial industry…

Unemployment seems to be a variable that folks are keen to latch on to, and I consent that I often point to the ludicrous employment performance under Trump as one of my reasons to support his policies....

If employment was enough Trump would still be President and Biden would not be staring down a huge problem for his election efforts.

Again....your issue is not with me....its with the people out there suffering.....if you can see THEM that THIER life is not the misery they claim it to be....I bet Biden's election team will hire you on the spot...

[Hardcore troubadour 14,992]

48 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So you think the economy is worse right now for the lower class than 2008?

Inflation means nothing to these morons. If they ignore it it’s not real.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,992]

28 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The point is your last paragraph is not true on the whole. The 2008 recession caused like 10% unemployment.  It’s much worse to not have a job at all than to have a job (or multiple) and be barely scraping by.

But please, do tell how the 2008 recession was caused by “ignorant government policies” and not the banking/financial industry…

It was a collaboration.  You can start with Clinton repealing Glass Steagall. But you have no idea what I  am taking about. 

[TimHauck 2,633]

24 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Unemployment seems to be a variable that folks are keen to latch on to, and I consent that I often point to the ludicrous employment performance under Trump as one of my reasons to support his policies....

If employment was enough Trump would still be President and Biden would not be staring down a huge problem for his election efforts.

Again....your issue is not with me....its with the people out there suffering.....if you can see THEM that THIER life is not the misery they claim it to be....I bet Biden's election team will hire you on the spot...

If you think the economy in 2024 is worse than 2008 for the lower class, then I can’t help you.  You’re hopeless, sorry to say.  Keep watching randos get interviewed on YouTube I guess.

Also unemployment was at 7% due to Covid in October just before the 2020 election (and higher in the months prior).  But yeah, if not for Covid (or maybe even just Eric Topol helping to get the vaccine EUA pushed until after the election), Trump likely wins in 2020.

[BeachGuy23 642]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

I am not clear if you are actively avoiding the reality here or if you are just over-relying on the hand=picked data.....

The distinction being active denial/lying vs simple cognitive dissonance....

I guess it does not really matter, since the people are speaking out now about how bad it is......and thats all the actually matters....that they accept it and vote against Democrats.....so long as that happens perhaps it does not matter if you accept the damage or not

Just so we're clear, you think the lower class is suffering more now than in 2008.

Correct?

Nevermind, so you answered above.  Thanks

[BeachGuy23 642]

54 minutes ago, RLLD said:

When you refer to 2008 I infer you are referring to the economic downturn driven by ignorant government policies.....

This is where it gets tricky, if you were to say ask......a politician....they will hand pick measurements that might say no.....or might say yes.... and you can certainly do both....example, the poverty rate was 13.2 percent in 2008, up from 12.5 percent rate in 2007.  Today, the poverty rate is 12.4%  an increase from 7.4% in 2021.

So then one would say.....well gee, it isnt so bad today....what are all you people whining about? 

Well, then you can play the game even more, using dollar value....   so then $100 in 2008 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $144.13 today, an increase of $44.13 over 16 years. The dollar had an average inflation rate of 2.31% per year between 2008 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 44.13%.

This means that today's prices are 1.44 times as high as average prices since 2008, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics consumer price index. A dollar today only buys 69.382% of what it could buy back then.

The inflation rate in 2008 was 3.84%. The current inflation rate compared to last year is now 3.15%. If this number holds, $100 today will be equivalent in buying power to $103.15 next year.

 

I can go on....but lets pause here for a moment.....none of that stupid sh!t matters when your life is worse today then it ever has been before.....period..... THAT is what people are now saying.....

Now we can refute them by dropping numbers and showing graphs.....but that will only p!ss them off....which is why I am perfectly fine with Democrats doing this very thing....

The more you gaslight, the more voters move away from you....and the safer they are 

Boyo, why was the poverty rate so low in 2021?  Oh yea, we were sending checks to everyone.

And you quote inflation but neglect wage inflation.

The gaslighting my friend is being done by folks like YOU.  Those who ignore actual numbers and metrics and try to glom onto the crying of a few folks because eggs were $6 for a short time, now back to normal, while ignoring that their paychecks have increased 25% during that same period.

You see friend, the masses make decisions not based on logic but based on emotions.  You can't run a country based on emotions, you have to run it based on facts.

[TimHauck 2,633]

13 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Boyo, why was the poverty rate so low in 2021?  Oh yea, we were sending checks to everyone.

And you quote inflation but neglect wage inflation.

The gaslighting my friend is being done by folks like YOU.  Those who ignore actual numbers and metrics and try to glom onto the crying of a few folks because eggs were $6 for a short time, now back to normal, while ignoring that their paychecks have increased 25% during that same period.

You see friend, the masses make decisions not based on logic but based on emotions.  You can't run a country based on emotions, you have to run it based on facts.

Yup, people like @RLLD is what is wrong with this country.  People will believe whatever they want to believe even if data proving the opposite is literally staring them in the face.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,992]

OMG! There are masses in Latin! Better get the FBI on it! 

[TheNewGirl 1,379]

2 hours ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Do you expect us to engage in this moronic "logic" you're trying to throw at us?

Someone who struggles making $12/hr will likely still struggle making $15/hr. 

They'll just struggle a little less.

You didn't do well in school did you boyo?

What about $20/hour 

[Voltaire 5,207]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yup, people like @RLLD is what is wrong with this country.  People will believe whatever they want to believe even if data proving the opposite is literally staring them in the face.

I guess the Biden administration and the entire media apparatus that work hand in glove with them are jsut going to have to try harder to convince them their memory is flawed and their eyes don't work. It's inconvenient that they dare relate their own life experience of three years of higher inflation baked in the cake when forming an opinion.  Horrible voters, I hate when they don't do what they're told to do.

[TimHauck 2,633]

Just now, Voltaire said:

I guess the Biden administration and the entire media apparatus that work hand in glove with them are jsut going to have to try harder to convince them their memory is flawed and their eyes don't work. It's inconvenient that they dare relate their own life experience of three years of higher inflation baked in the cake when forming an opinion.  Horrible voters, I hate when they don't do what they're told to do.

Wait, you think 2024 is worse than 2008 too?  Did you even live in the country in 2008?

[Voltaire 5,207]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Wait, you think 2024 is worse than 2008 too?  Did you even live in the country in 2008?

Actually, I didn't move back to the country until the tail end of 2022 but anyway... no, 2008/9 was much much worse and the bank bailout was awful. Maybe I'm missing the argument here...

[Hardcore troubadour 14,992]

My grocery bill didn’t shoot up in 2008-2009. 

[TimHauck 2,633]

2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Actually, I didn't move back to the country until the tail end of 2022 but anyway... no, 2008/9 was much much worse and the bank bailout was awful. Maybe I'm missing the argument here...

@RLLD is arguing that 2024 is worse 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,992]

Just now, TimHauck said:

@RLLD is arguing that 2024 is worse 

If it was so bad back then how did Obama get re-elected? 

[TimHauck 2,633]

@RLLD’s mind:  where Biden inherited a good economy and 2024 is worse than 2008.

 

lololololol

[Patented Phil 1,469]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

You understand that’s a boilerplate proclamation right? Presidents sign literally hundreds of them every year (actually they don’t personally sign, there’s a stamp of their signature.) 

Like I wrote, conservatives blew it up. 

That’s not boilerplate by any means.  It’s highly political and highly partisan.  Regardless - it’s out of his office under his name.  The bucks stops here, right?  Just focking own it.  It was a tone-deaf mistake with piss-poor timing, which he and his Administration do on the regular.  Don’t blame Conservatives for pointing that out.  

[BeachGuy23 642]

15 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

My grocery bill didn’t shoot up in 2008-2009. 

Just over 10% of the country didn't have jobs and wage growth was nonexistent.

And btw your groceries ain't up that much anymore boyo.

Simple ignorance.   Nothing else could explain it.

[Jose M 125]

14 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

@RLLD’s mind:  where Biden inherited a good economy and 2024 is worse than 2008.

 

lololololol

You need to learn how to read dummy.   

[Hardcore troubadour 14,992]

Just got back from the grocery store. Way higher than it was a few years ago.  

[Patented Phil 1,469]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

In any case there are plenty of Christians who are very welcoming of transgenders. The celebration of transgenderism is certainly hostile to intolerant Christianity but not to Christianity. 

I guess this is another one of your “gut feels”, right?  Not to take your inventory, but you should work from more of a fact base if you want people to take you seriously.  Like this recent poll.

Attitudes about transgender issues vary widely among Christians, religious ‘nones’ in U.S.

75% of Protestants and 62% of Catholics believe that gender is determined by sex at birth.  And those numbers have being going up steadily over the last 3 polling cycles.

[Jose M 125]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

My impression of Biden is that he’s not very woke, especially when it comes to trans. I strongly doubt he’s ever met one and would probably be pretty much grossed out if he did. He’s pro-gay, now, but that took years too. 

You're so clueless.  

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