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5 hours ago, Strike said:

The goal of the justice system isn't to satisfy the accused.  It is for the proceedings to appear fair.  The issues EG brought up have nothing to do with satisfying Trump.  They have to do with reasonable third parties, such as EG since you won't believe I am one of those people, not having reason to question the proceedings. 

But the questions they’re raising are stupid and done to avoid any actual understanding or discussion of the case. There’s zero to substantially suggest any actual issues…just as with Trump’s fraudulent, traitorous (and ultimately well proven as false) claims the election was fraudulent. 

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5 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I take Pedophilia way more serious than someone paying off a whooore and lying about it. 

You??? 

Even when the pedophilia is made up to gull you, apparently. 

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5 hours ago, Strike said:

The guy who thinks doing illegal things isn't a crime shouldn't be telling others about things "not making sense."

What are you babbling about? What illegal things? 

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5 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

You sound like every other Cultist Pedocrat. 🌈 

Pathetic 

What is a cultist pedocrat? What did they tell you that meant? I mean given that the overwhelming majority of pedophiles in the news are right wingers. 

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4 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

It matters as it runs contrary to the Code of Judicial Ethics. It matters in that the Judge created an issue where there need not have been an issue.  The Judge allowed questioning of his bias and thus of the fairness of the proceeding where there need not have been any.  The Judge created a distraction calling the proceeding into question for many.  Now I grant that the many would have looked for other matters to hang their hats on, but a good Judge would not have supplied ammo to shoot holes in his proceeding.  Some day I expect the Judge to admit as much.  Some day I expect those arguing otherwise here to admiut as much.  Not today though.  today passions still run deep.

 

When the inevitable appeal happens I don't necessarily believe any one error will prove fatal to the verdict, though one may.  I believe the ruling, if it overturns the trial will be based upon an accumulation of errors.  Right now, from the limited amount I know about this matter, and it is limited, I place the odds of the verdict being overturned at around 75%.  I know right wing pundants have the odds at nearly 100% but I know that great deference is given the trial Judge and jury verdicts.

This is hopeful talk. No one gives a about his donation except people trying to pretend Trump wasn’t guilty af. It’s not a hole in the proceeding so what’s the point? How does the contribution harm the case? Not the bleating complaints of people who want to talk about anything but the facts of the case, actual problems with it? 

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5 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Ahhh..deflection, gaslighting, strawmen and complete incompetence all in one post!  Congrats!  Your reputation is intact! 

Your shtick isn't new here.  It's unoriginal, typical and tired.  We have 30 other leftist clones just like you here that are just as retarded as you are. 

Better run and hide for another 12 years like you ran and hid for the last 12.  No safe spaces here.  Your never gonna last.  Lightweights like you get eaten alive in here as you've already found out.  :lol:

 

You must be one of the most low esteem people I’ve ever encountered. It’s not deflection to accurately nail your deep ignorance and fear of medicine. I predicted it and you came through immediately. You can’t help it. You ooze weakness and fear. 

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4 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So he doesn’t agree with the organizations he put his name to with his donation? 

Why would that even matter? What are you even trying to allege? 

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4 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

They did not have no problem with it, they cautioned him not to repeat the behavior.  He also did not, to my understanding, ask for permission before doing so, he asked for forgiveness and understanding after doing so.  He asked whether that trespass against the clear spirit of the Code was sufficient to warrant recusal.  The Ethics Board did not think so, but they certainly did not endorse the behavior.  

Not accurate. He was not told to “not repeat the behavior.” You misunderstand the caution reference. And you’re missing a prior dismissal the year before. It was not a serious complaint. 

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4 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Aileen Cannon probably comes close. Basically will not let the case against him ever come to trial 

Plenty of other cases Trump has yet to deal with. 

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I will offer my input: 

1. I don’t think Merchan needed to recuse himself. The donation he offered was minor but even if it’s larger I’m not sure that’s a big deal. Donating to Biden, being a liberal Democrat, is meaningless. Maybe if he worked for the Biden campaign. But all he did was donate. What his daughter did is irrelevant. 

2. I don’t think that Alito needs to recuse himself from anything. I found his explanation of the flags reasonable. For now. If something new comes up I could change my mind but I don’t agree with those who think he should recuse. 

3. Clarence Thomas should recuse himself from anything having to do with January 6 because his wife was, apparently, directly involved. This is not like the other two examples above, if your wife is involved in a case you shouldn’t be making decisions about it, IMO. 
 

Fair enough? 

Fair to me!  The idea that a political donation is disqualifying, but literally being appointed by the defendant for their job isn’t, seems fairly outrageous. 

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16 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

In this case I think he’s a liar. But yeah I don’t think he needs to recuse himself either for this. 

I think it’s absurd people are making this argument about Merchan (perhaps people think he’s a liar as well). It doesn’t really matter unless straight up errors can be found in how they did the job. Judges are understandably offered a lot of latitude. I’m not a lawyer though so who knows. 

Clarence Thomas’ actions are a bigger problem for me. His batshit wife and more important his “gifts” he has received. Not really sure how to deal with that. 

You can’t really prove Alito flew the flag for that reason, and even if you could it’s not any kind of direct action in support of the coup. Like say, Thomas’ family. I mean we already knew Alito was a poorly trained right wing justice who is amenable to being bought. 

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2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

I asked you.  You won't answer unless I answer first?  That's weird.

I asked you in your thread about Alito and Thomas if you thought Merchan should recuse himself. You never answered.

Also it's polite to offer your opinion before asking it of someone else.

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5 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I asked you in your thread about Alito and Thomas if you thought Merchan should recuse himself. You never answered.

Also it's polite to offer your opinion before asking it of someone else.

I don't remember having a thread about alito and Thomas nor do I remember you asking me.  Sticking with your courtesy request, did you offer your opinion in that thread before you asked me?

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13 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

The problem with this is that when it comes to Donald Trump there’s always going to be “collateral issues”. No matter what he’s attacking the judge, the jury, the system. If there is no fault he will create one. There is no judge that would be perfect enough to satisfy him. 

Change "fault" to "victim" & "Donald Trump" to "Democrat Party".... and there in hiding, is the truth. 

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13 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Sorry, anyone in his official capacity to protect the public from criminals, especially depraved, disgusting pedophiles that rape their own two year old, and let’s that kind of monster escape justice because his family was your fathers and yours benefactor, that completely overrides anything that came before. You may choose to consider it, but I don’t. It’s a bit more severe than what happened at the Capitol, and I have stated numerous times that my friend deserved his conviction, and I never used his service as a defense of him.  You lose. Again. Liar. 

So military service only counts for people on your side?

Got it!

Also, lawyers get shitty people off charges? Shocker. Shame Trump couldn't have hired him for his own trial

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5 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

So military service only counts for people on your side?

Got it!

Also, lawyers get shitty people off charges? Shocker. Shame Trump couldn't have hired him for his own trial

He wasn’t his lawyer, he was the attorney general. You’re doing great here. Please, continue. 

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16 hours ago, torridjoe said:

You must be one of the most low esteem people I’ve ever encountered. It’s not deflection to accurately nail your deep ignorance and fear of medicine. I predicted it and you came through immediately. You can’t help it. You ooze weakness and fear. 

You didn't predict sh#t.  :lol:

You made something up that had nothing to do with what we were talking about, attributed it to me (and others) and then argued against that.  Standard leftist tactic.  Hmmm....If only there was a word to describe that - straw-something?  The fact of the matter is that you can't argue the facts so you just make stuff up and throw it against the wall hoping it sticks.  You got owned on your first day back AND busted in a lie and ever since you've been posting like a hysterical teenage girl trying to recover.  Like I said, there are 30 other clones of you around here with the same tired, typical and unoriginal shtick.

Also, the only one around here who is weak and fearful is you.  I mean, you were gone for the last 12 years hiding in your safe space.  Doesn't get much more weaker and more fearful than that.  We conservatives have a word for that: coward

That's all I've got for you today, coward.  Go away now.  :lol:

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3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He wasn’t his lawyer, he was the attorney general. You’re doing great here. Please, continue. 

Still holds.

You overlooked the first part I see. 

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6 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Still holds.

You overlooked the first part I see. 

It was stated he was an nyc cop. I pointed out he was also a marine. Are you clinging to that minor point here? Come on man. And the point does hold. Beau Biden let a mega wealthy donor that made his family rich escape justice for just about the most heinous crime imaginable. So holding him up as the “good” one isn’t cutting it.  But you seem intent on defending someone that let this monster  off easy for committing the atrocious act of raping a two year old. Why would a decent person do that? 

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

It was stated he was an nyc cop. I pointed out he was also a marine. Are you clinging to that minor point here? Come on man. And the point does hold. Beau Biden let a mega wealthy donor that made his family rich escape justice for just about the most heinous crime imaginable. So holding him up as the “good” one isn’t cutting it.  But you seem intent on defending someone that let someone off easy for committing the atrocious act of raping a two year old. 

It's sad you still feel you need to win so bad that you have to pull the goalposts in so many different directions like that making these logistical loopholes to argue against. 

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1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

It's sad you still feel you need to win so bad that you have to pull the goalposts in so many different directions like that making these logistical loopholes to argue against. 

Uh, the subject was Beau Biden. You came in sayin what a swell guy he was. I pointed out why he wasn’t. I think I made my point and kinda destroyed yours. Carry on. 

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6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Uh, the subject was Beau Biden. You came in sayin what a swell guy he was. I pointed out why he wasn’t. I think I made my point and kinda destroyed yours. Carry on. 

Where in this:

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HT's cop buddy gets busted for raiding the capitol. gets called a POS- HT's defense is "He' was a US Marine"

Beau Biden served in the Delaware Army National Guard and was deployed to Iraq..."Biden didn't raise him right."

 

Do you see me saying he was a "swell guy"?

I was mocking the stupidity of your comeback a few days ago about people calling your friend a POS for storming the capitol and you responding with "He was a marine." That was when you started a bunch of different things in to try and create an argument you could win because you saw how idiotic your initial comment was I presume. 

Also, what inside information do you have about the evidence and case that the prosecution had built against Robert Richards IV? Was it an airtight, open and shut case ready to win with 100% certainty?

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3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Do you see me saying he was a "swell guy"?

And his Dad is know as "Pedo Peter" in Family circles. The apple didn't fall far from the tree. 

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8 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Where in this:

Do you see me saying he was a "swell guy"?

I was mocking the stupidity of your comeback a few days ago about people calling your friend a POS for storming the capitol and you responding with "He was a marine." That was when you started a bunch of different things in to try and create an argument you could win because you saw how idiotic your initial comment was I presume. 

Also, what inside information do you have about the evidence and case that the prosecution had built against Robert Richards IV? Was it an airtight, open and shut case ready to win with 100% certainty?

He admitted it. 

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He admitted it. 

That didn't answer my question.

Also, just to keep the thread on topic- how does your "whataboutBiden" thing in this thread tie to Trump being found guilty?

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2 NYC cops shot by illegal Venezuelan that Biden let in. 

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43 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Change "fault" to "victim" & "Donald Trump" to "Democrat Party".... and there in hiding, is the truth. 

Donald Trump is the ultimate victim, stfu.  All h does is cry about how hard he has it and everyone is out to get him.

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1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

everyone is out to get him.

They're not?

All you Pedocrats have done is cry in here for years about throwing him in jail on dumb shizz. Now you're celebrating like little school girls. 

Do Pedocrats get tired of being hypocrites 24/7? 

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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

2 NYC cops shot by illegal Venezuelan that Biden let in. 

How does that tie to Trump being found guilty?

Also, why avoid the questions I asked?

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6 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

How does that tie to Trump being found guilty?

Also, why avoid the questions I asked?

It doesn't. It has no relation whatsoever to the subject matter of this thread, or any to related discussion.

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1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

That didn't answer my question.

Also, just to keep the thread on topic- how does your "whataboutBiden" thing in this thread tie to Trump being found guilty?

You asked if it was an open and shut case. I replied that he admitted it and then you said that didn’t answer your question. I think it did.  

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13 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Aileen Cannon probably comes close. Basically will not let the case against him ever come to trial 

I'm still of the opinion she will not be the one to try this case. 

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10 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

He wrote a letter: 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/05/29/samuel-alito-letter-recusal-rejection/

A lot of folks didn’t like it but I think it was OK. 

His letter doesn't doesn't match the actual facts though/and there is a police report about the argument that proves this.  

Story - in case you don't have The Times

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There are some differences: For instance, the justice told Fox News that his wife hoisted the flag in response to Ms. Baden’s vulgar insult. A text message and the police call — corroborated by Fairfax County authorities — indicate, however, that the name-calling took place on Feb. 15, weeks after the inverted flag was taken down.

Justice Alito’s version of events was that the flag “was briefly placed by Mrs. Alito in response to a neighbor’s use of objectionable and personally insulting language on yard signs,” he said in a statement to The Times. Mrs. Alito, 70, who has never sought a public role, has not spoken out about the controversy.

The justice later elaborated in an interview with Fox News, saying that in January 2021, a neighbor on the block displayed a vulgar anti-Trump sign, near where children wait for the school bus. Mrs. Alito complained to the neighbor. “Things escalated and the neighbor put up a sign personally addressing Mrs. Alito and blaming her for the Jan 6th attacks,” tweeted the Fox News reporter who interviewed the justice.

But in the Baden family’s version, the justice’s wife initiated the conflict. “Aside from putting up a sign, we did not begin or instigate any of these confrontations,” Ms. Baden said later.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

His letter doesn't doesn't match the actual facts though/and there is a police report about the argument that proves this.  

God knows police reports are all on the up and up. I'm absolutely sure there has never been anything that has been written down by someone that is not true. 

Just look at history. It's all factual. 

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2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Donald Trump is the ultimate victim, stfu.  All h does is cry about how hard he has it and everyone is out to get him.

Right, he's the OOONNNNLLLYYYY ONEEEEE!  gtfoh

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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You asked if it was an open and shut case. I replied that he admitted it and then you said that didn’t answer your question. I think it did.  

You should do more reading on what he said about the case.

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11 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Right, he's the OOONNNNLLLYYYY ONEEEEE!  gtfoh

You are correct, he's not the only one... most of you righties have an overdeveloped sense of victimhood too.   

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4 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

I don't remember having a thread about alito and Thomas nor do I remember you asking me.  Sticking with your courtesy request, did you offer your opinion in that thread before you asked me?

Probably not.  :D

As to your original question:  I don't know enough of the details to say if either should recuse himself, particularly about the case(s) themselves.  

I will say two things in general:

1. If a judge were to have some prejudice, it should err on the side of the defendant.

2. It is much easier to replace a trial judge than a SCOTUS justice.

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5 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

You are correct, he's not the only one... most of you righties have an overdeveloped sense of victimhood too.   

Calling you commies out on your hypocrisy is just that, it's not victimhood.  I don't know why you people still hang around here.  Isn't Russia or China allowing immigration?

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19 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

You should do more reading on what he said about the case.

I’m sure he said some harsh things.  That’s good enough for you.  Not me. Words. 

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