Cultural existential threat: Marxism and Moral Relativism

[RLLD 4,147]

10 hours ago, Horseman said:

This is the simplest problem to solve. Just baffles me every time it's brought up.

You use the bathroom that is on your birth certificate and subsequent government issued ID. You want to change that, get a doctor and petition a judge.  

So then....black people could never use a restroom?  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,988]

9 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

You want people to show an ID to use a bathroom? 
You may be the dumbest person here and that’s really saying something. 

No. But just because people may break a rule doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have them. 

[Horseman 2,384]

9 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

You want people to show an ID to use a bathroom? 
You may be the dumbest person here and that’s really saying something. 

Lol. What an idiot. 

If there is an issue that's how it's resolved,  with consequences.  

[The Real timschochet 6,512]

28 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Lol. What an idiot. 

 

It doesn’t have to be a permanent condition for you. Educate yourself. 

[Horseman 2,384]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It doesn’t have to be a permanent condition for you. Educate yourself. 

You manage strip malls for a living

[RLLD 4,147]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No. But just because people may break a rule doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have them. 

But....what if the wrong color people violate that rule more than anyone else...then we have to get rid of it, right?  

[Fnord 2,063]

14 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

They  

How about it? Or WTF is it? 

 

WTF are YOU? Never met someone gay, straight, or otherwise so fixated on transsexuals. Seems like you've got some unresolved curiosity around the subject. As much time as you spend obsessing over it you must be a subject matter expert by now.

[Fnord 2,063]

14 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

What a nightmare.  The women's locker room was a no go, right?

She uses the women's locker room. No big deal.

[TheNewGirl 1,377]

20 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m just not used to it. The ones I’ve encountered (usually in some kind of public setting like a restaurant) I have a bit of that “ooh gross” factor in me. Not exactly the most woke or politically correct attitude but I’m not a young man so I’m stuck with my prejudices. My defense of them, in a forum like this or in a general discussion, is theoretical and as I wrote, based on principle. 

So the part about the transperson I know personally, (female to male) isn't about the actual transitioning part of it. I knew this person as a female and knew them as they transitioned to male, through their top surgery, hormones, etc. I don't find the "ooh gross" factor about much of it. I've taken time to research the surgical process, what they do to make certain parts, removal of breasts, etc. It doesn't bother me to watch stuff like this, read about it or whatever. I find that not enough people do it, honestly. The complications that come from bottom surgeries is very sad, especially when going from male to female and the 'creation' of a vagina and what the individual has to go through for the rest of their lives (sometimes involving things that are incredibly painful)

The part that makes me feel weird, is the mental piece of it. This person had. a lot of mental health issues prior to transitioning. A LOT. Several medications. They were in therapy for years, lots of things to work through and finally thought that maybe they were born in the wrong body and decided to transition. Now, into the transition, taking testosterone, became a different person; physically aggressive, just not very nice. 

Those are the pieces of transsexuals that make me uncomfortable. The mental health side of things that people don't seem to address. Like you mentioned, it's the "Ew gross" factor that a lot of people SEE on the outside. I don't mind if I see them in public, I honestly don't 'give them a second glance and move on with my day.

I am more nervous about what's going on underneath and in the brain that makes me uncomfortable; especially since we are SO quick to give these people hormones without trying to address what's going on in the brain (and I don't mean conversion therapy, just talking about general mental health help along with transitioning). 

[RLLD 4,147]

32 minutes ago, Fnord said:

WTF are YOU? Never met someone gay, straight, or otherwise so fixated on transsexuals. Seems like you've got some unresolved curiosity around the subject. As much time as you spend obsessing over it you must be a subject matter expert by now.

I surmise that before these people were wielded as political weaponry....few people really cared....

[TheNewGirl 1,377]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I surmise that before these people were wielded as political weaponry....few people really cared....

I think this is incredibly true. 

I remember my dad coming home from work talking about a man in his office (this would be early/mid 80s) who had a pair of high heels at his desk. He'd change shoes at work, walk around in the high heels, then walk home in the mens dress shoes. Like it was no big deal. I didn't think it was a big deal either, I would have been between 7 and 10 years old maybe? 

Same as in high school. Homosexual kids, we knew but we didn't talk about it, didn't really care. They were our friends, they were cool. If they were a$$ holes, then that's why we weren't friends with them, had nothing to do with who they were attracted to. 

But yes, now that they are a minority/marginalized group that is seeking equality in ALL things...they are the new weapon. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

So I called the transphobia but where’s the racism? Y’all are dancing around it with the “Judeo Christian nation” stuff, and RLLD is, as usual, leading the charge for outright saying it, but you haven’t gotten there yet.

Cmon, you know you want to.

Jerry you know this isn’t about trans. That’s a side issue. One that gets you guys going, yes, but it isn’t the real root of your concern. What’s really got you worked up is that “replacement” thing, no?

[MDC 7,164]

17 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I surmise that before these people were wielded as political weaponry....few people really cared....

Agreed. For years this wasn’t an issue until the Republican Party started making these people out to be pedophiles and violent pervs for votes.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,988]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

WTF are YOU? Never met someone gay, straight, or otherwise so fixated on transsexuals. Seems like you've got some unresolved curiosity around the subject. As much time as you spend obsessing over it you must be a subject matter expert by now.

Libtards hate this subject , even though they vote for all of this garbage. It’s a big loser at the polls. That why they don’t want it talked about. 

[RLLD 4,147]

8 minutes ago, MDC said:

Agreed. For years this wasn’t an issue until the Republican Party started making these people out to be pedophiles and violent pervs for votes.

What you describe has been the outcome of Democrats wielding these people to feed their desire for power.

Democrats embraced these people to use them, just as they do for any "minority".  They pull these people up, weaponize them and sell this farcical notion that only they can protect and provide....which is all just lies of course.  They only pretend to support these people because they think it secures votes....they dont really care....

Then you have adults on the other side who eventually have their fill when it naturally is taken too far.....and then Democrats get to pretend that those people are just big meaners who hate the people that the Democrats are abusing....

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,880]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

What you describe has been the outcome of Democrats wielding these people to feed their desire for power.

Democrats embraced these people to use them, just as they do for any "minority".  They pull these people up, weaponize them and sell this farcical notion that only they can protect and provide....which is all just lies of course.  They only pretend to support these people because they think it secures votes....they dont really care....

Then you have adults on the other side who eventually have their fill when it naturally is taken too far.....and then Democrats get to pretend that those people are just big meaners who hate the people that the Democrats are abusing....

 

Correct.  Gaslighting at its finest.

The left makes a big deal out of it and when people finally push back it's always, "Why you making such a big deal out of this?" and get called names.

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,880]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

She uses the women's locker room. No big deal.

For you?  Or the ACTUAL and REAL women who work there?

[MDC 7,164]

Just now, RLLD said:

What you describe has been the outcome of Democrats wielding these people to feed their desire for power.

Democrats embraced these people to use them, just as they do for any "minority".  They pull these people up, weaponize them and sell this farcical notion that only they can protect and provide....which is all just lies of course.  They only pretend to support these people because they think it secures votes....they dont really care....

Then you have adults on the other side who eventually have their fill when it naturally is taken too far.....and then Democrats get to pretend that those people are just big meaners who hate the people that the Democrats are abusing....

 

I live in a major northeast liberal city and see someone who is identifiably trans maybe once a month. But at the GC I’ve seen about 347,982 tranny memes. Every one of them is posted by your ilk and they all imply that these people are mentally ill and/or violent pedophiles. 

Many Republicans obviously hate and are turned on by trannies.  

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,988]

4 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Correct.  Gaslighting at its finest.

The left makes a big deal out of it and when people finally push back it's always, "Why you making such a big deal out of this?" and get called names.

 

Exactly. Morons scream culture war as if one side isn’t trying to change the culture. They must not think culture is important or just want to troll. 

[RLLD 4,147]

6 minutes ago, MDC said:

I live in a major northeast liberal city and see someone who is identifiably trans maybe once a month. But at the GC I’ve seen about 347,982 tranny memes. Every one of them is posted by your ilk and they all imply that these people are mentally ill and/or violent pedophiles. 

Many Republicans obviously hate and are turned on by trannies.  

 

And before the Democrats weaponized these people to chase power, the topic never arose here.....now that they have allowed their exploitation of these people to reach children....of crouse there will be voices raised...

[MDC 7,164]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

And before the Democrats weaponized these people to chase power, the topic never arose here.....now that they have allowed their exploitation of these people to reach children....of crouse there will be voices raised...

Most of the seemingly limitless tranny memes and threads your ilk post here have nothing to do with kids and just vaguely imply that trans people are mentally ill or a danger to people. This issue takes up way more mental headspace among your ilk than it deserves. 

Pretty weird if you ask me.  

[jerryskids 6,594]

33 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

So I called the transphobia but where’s the racism? Y’all are dancing around it with the “Judeo Christian nation” stuff, and RLLD is, as usual, leading the charge for outright saying it, but you haven’t gotten there yet.

Cmon, you know you want to.

Jerry you know this isn’t about trans. That’s a side issue. One that gets you guys going, yes, but it isn’t the real root of your concern. What’s really got you worked up is that “replacement” thing, no?

It does not surprise me that  you would consider my discussion in this thread "transphobic," given my model of you being a 12 year old who gets all of his/her news from TikTok.

Also, I know it isn't about trans, because I said so in my OP, which you either didn't read or can't comprehend.

Replacement is a different topic, perhaps I'll start a thread on that.  Unfortunately, my thoughts on it are nuanced, and you lack nuance, so you will leap to the "yur a raciss!" card regardless of what I say.   

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

It does not surprise me that  you would consider my discussion in this thread "transphobic," given my model of you being a 12 year old who gets all of his/her news from TikTok.

Also, I know it isn't about trans, because I said so in my OP, which you either didn't read or can't comprehend.

Replacement is a different topic, perhaps I'll start a thread on that.  Unfortunately, my thoughts on it are nuanced, and you lack nuance, so you will leap to the "yur a raciss!" card regardless of what I say.   

You brought up trans in your OP. Do you even understand your own posts?

And of course it’s about trans because that’s your morality concern. What else would it be?

But no, do get to that replacement thread because that’s what you really mean. The existence of trans people is not an “existential threat” to this nation and you know it. I’ll look forward to your “nuance” aka rationalizing your racist beliefs

[jerryskids 6,594]

20 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

You brought up trans in your OP. Do you even understand your own posts?

And of course it’s about trans because that’s your morality concern. What else would it be?

But no, do get to that replacement thread because that’s what you really mean. The existence of trans people is not an “existential threat” to this nation and you know it. I’ll look forward to your “nuance” aka rationalizing your racist beliefs

I understand my own posts.  You don't, because you have zero nuance:

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- The allowance of biological men into women's safe spaces and sports is sexual Marxism.  It places the needs of the oppressed (the men) over the needs of the oppressors (cis women).  Biden's recent Title 9 changes show clear support of this.

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Existential Threat:

I do not believe that a nation can survive in the long term on a backbone of moral relativism.  While the above specific issues are not likely to cause the demise of our nation, they are part of a clear pattern and trajectory towards increasing relativism.  What is the American Way?  Is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness good?  How about the American Dream, that any person through hard work can achieve his/her goals?  Is that good?  We seem to be increasingly celebrating people for being on an intersectional scale more than people who achieve great things.

First, I specifically listed women's safe spaces and sports.  You apparently label such a position as "transphobic."  This is exactly what the Tumblr teen girl mafia did to JK Rowling when she had the audacity to take similar positions.  It is entirely consistent with your quick trigger use of such labels.

Second, I stated that the specific items I listed are not in and of themselves cultural existential threats, but rather indications of a trajectory toward increasing moral relativism, which is IMO such a threat.

Heck, I supported fully transitioned trans use of their preferred bathrooms in the past few pages of this thread.

I look forward to "of course it's about trans because that's your morality concern" insights.   

[IGotWorms 4,057]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I understand my own posts.  You don't, because you have zero nuance:

First, I specifically listed women's safe spaces and sports.  You apparently label such a position as "transphobic."  This is exactly what the Tumblr teen girl mafia did to JK Rowling when she had the audacity to take similar positions.  It is entirely consistent with your quick trigger use of such labels.

Second, I stated that the specific items I listed are not in and of themselves cultural existential threats, but rather indications of a trajectory toward increasing moral relativism, which is IMO such a threat.

Heck, I supported fully transitioned trans use of their preferred bathrooms in the past few pages of this thread.

I look forward to "of course it's about trans because that's your morality concern" insights.   

Ok jer bear, we’re Marxist heathens as demonstrated through the trans issue.

Now do the replacement part and you’ve covered “white Christian nationalist”

[Fnord 2,063]

1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

For you?  Or the ACTUAL and REAL women who work there?

Both. There was some concern at first. But my staff don't hesitate to complain about any number of things, and they haven't complained about this. You should have heard the screaming and bitching when the Muslims were washing their feet in the toilets during Ramadan, or when the food service workers were taking breaks in there. They have zero qualms bringing up issues. Not a peep about the trans woman sharing their locker room, though. It's possible that the trans individual is changing at different times out of courtesy, I don't know. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

What’s funny is you guys don’t understand the term transphobia. You don’t necessary have to love the trans movement (I don’t); it’s when it becomes an irrationally huge fear that you’re transphobic.

Like arachnophobia. There are poisonous spiders out there you should be wary of. You don’t have to deny that. But it shouldn’t run your life either

[jerryskids 6,594]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

What’s funny is you guys don’t understand the term transphobia. You don’t necessary have to love the trans movement (I don’t); it’s when it becomes an irrationally huge fear that you’re transphobic.

Like arachnophobia. There are poisonous spiders out there you should be wary of. You don’t have to deny that. But it shouldn’t run your life either

You think objecting to biological men in women's sports is an irrationally huge fear?

[Horseman 2,384]

2 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Jerry you know this isn’t about trans. 

 

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

And of course it’s about trans because that’s your morality concern. 

Dude, you're off your rocker, seek help.  

[IGotWorms 4,057]

12 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You think objecting to biological men in women's sports is an irrationally huge fear?

Yes, when you’ve raised it to the level of an existential threat!! to the country’s continued existence

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,880]

17 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

What’s funny is you guys don’t understand the term transphobia. You don’t necessary have to love the trans movement (I don’t); it’s when it becomes an irrationally huge fear that you’re transphobic.

Like arachnophobia. There are poisonous spiders out there you should be wary of. You don’t have to deny that. But it shouldn’t run your life either

it's clear your grasp on words and their definitions is tenuous at best and outright gaslighting at worst.  Quit trying to redefine terms to something that fits the propaganda you slurp on the daily.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,880]

2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Yes, when you’ve raised it to the level of an existential threat!! to the country’s continued existence

YOUR side is the one that pushed it on everyone! 

Are you a f'n moron?  You did EXACTLY as I said you would do:

2 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Correct.  Gaslighting at its finest.

The left makes a big deal out of it and when people finally push back it's always, "Why you making such a big deal out of this?" and get called names.

 

Predicting your DNC approved propaganda responses is so easy, even a caveman could do it. 

[jerryskids 6,594]

20 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Yes, when you’ve raised it to the level of an existential threat!! to the country’s continued existence

I'm speechless.  We just had this discussion a few minutes ago.   

Carry on, Tumblr.  

[Sean Mooney 1,949]

This thread....holy sh!t ! Same people saying the same dumb things but with a new title. And the same people arguing back against it because it's a new title.

I got to the point of someone saying a transgender person is an existential threat and I laughed so hard that it became impossible to read the majority of what is in this.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,880]

4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

This thread....holy sh!t ! Same people saying the same dumb things but with a new title. And the same people arguing back against it because it's a new title.

I got to the point of someone saying a transgender person is an existential threat and I laughed so hard that it became impossible to read the majority of what is in this.

Wait, you thought that a person said a single transgender person is an existentail threat? 

Lie much?  No one said that.   You f'n soy boys are such the drama queens! 

Looney Mooney is apt.

[jerryskids 6,594]

9 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

This thread....holy sh!t ! Same people saying the same dumb things but with a new title. And the same people arguing back against it because it's a new title.

I got to the point of someone saying a transgender person is an existential threat and I laughed so hard that it became impossible to read the majority of what is in this.

I see you went to the Worms school of non-comprehension.   

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,880]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I see you went to the Worms school of non-comprehension.   

What they call an "Ivy League" school. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,988]

Weak men and mouthy women with issues. That’s the threat. Just look around.  

[Sean Mooney 1,949]

1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Wait, you thought that a person said a single transgender person is an existentail threat? 

Lie much?  No one said that.   You f'n soy boys are such the drama queens! 

Looney Mooney is apt.

 

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

I see you went to the Worms school of non-comprehension.   

 

Good to see after all this time I've spent away I can come back and see you two clutching pearls as much as ever. jerry was presenting a dumb argument- I was just finishing his last few steps for him. But let him write more posts about moral relativism and cultural threats.

[jerryskids 6,594]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

 

 

Good to see after all this time I've spent away I can come back and see you two clutching pearls as much as ever. jerry was presenting a dumb argument- I was just finishing his last few steps for him. But let him write more posts about moral relativism and cultural threats.

It doesn't appear that you tried to comprehend the argument.  I've had good discussions with several Lefties in this thread; you, not yet.