I’m back! What did I miss??

[TBayXXXVII 2,485]

6 hours ago, torridjoe said:

No it doesn’t because it’s laughably false. 

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

7 hours ago, torridjoe said:

About as accurate as a wiki entry but awesome! PS bet my house is bigger than yours. 

Boy you're the genuine article of full-blown tools, aren't you?  Got just about every base covered.  An a-hole with Socialist/Authoritarian leanings, smart enough to type but about as intelligent as a 5th grader in the Baltimore school system, thinks way too much of himself, delusions of grandeur...  Stick around, man.  You're a real dumpster fire and highly entertaining.  

[seafoam1 2,808]

11 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Boy you're the genuine article of full-blown tools, aren't you?  Got just about every base covered.  An a-hole with Socialist/Authoritarian leanings, smart enough to type but about as intelligent as a 5th grader in the Baltimore school system, thinks way too much of himself, delusions of grandeur...  Stick around, man.  You're a real dumpster fire and highly entertaining.  

[HTH 93]

Welcome Back, You've been missed.

[Maximum Overkill 1,744]

What ever happened to BOYO? Did he get in trouble again? 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

What ever happened to BOYO? Did he get in trouble again? 

Tied up with the Gay Pride celebrations.

[seafoam1 2,808]

1 hour ago, HTH said:

Welcome Back, You've been missed.

Wow. You must be really lonely. 

[jerryskids 6,579]

9 hours ago, torridjoe said:

But as I’ve pointed out, those aren’t the charges. They’re what makes them a felony. 

I feel like I'm in an Abbott and Costello skit...

I believe that if you allege that a defendant committed a crime to further a second crime, that the defendant should be charged with that second crime, and the prosecution must prove that crime beyond a reasonable doubt.  Otherwise, the defendant is denied due process.

It will be interesting to see if this is argued on appeal.

[squistion 1,966]

Just now, jerryskids said:

I feel like I'm in an Abbott and Costello skit...

I believe that if you allege that a defendant committed a crime to further a second crime, that the defendant should be charged with that second crime, and the prosecution must prove that crime beyond a reasonable doubt.  Otherwise, the defendant is denied due process.

It will be interesting to see if this is argued on appeal.

If it is in furtherance of a second crime, it shouldn't have to be proved that the second crime was actually committed or completed.

[jerryskids 6,579]

16 minutes ago, squistion said:

If it is in furtherance of a second crime, it shouldn't have to be proved that the second crime was actually committed or completed.

Interesting distinction, thanks.  Like I said, we'll see if it is challenged.

[TheNewGirl 1,357]

Welcome back, torrid. 

[torridjoe 48]

12 hours ago, RLLD said:

Well, Biden has solidly focked us in terms of international position, but on the bright side I am making nice money from it. The last trip I just took was a little concerning....looks like the US expects us to fight China in the next 10 years and thinks it will be mostly naval, and perhaps mostly subs, but our ship production situation is absolute sh!t....so we should expect to see just gobs of money being thrown at ship yards.....where I can make some money....

Other than that, it is more or less the way you left it....though you do not seem to be posting the way you used to 

How so?

[torridjoe 48]

11 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. 

You likes to fucks puppies and small children. If you say otherwise you’re just in denial. 

[torridjoe 48]

10 hours ago, Patented Phil said:

Boy you're the genuine article of full-blown tools, aren't you?  Got just about every base covered.  An a-hole with Socialist/Authoritarian leanings, smart enough to type but about as intelligent as a 5th grader in the Baltimore school system, thinks way too much of himself, delusions of grandeur...  Stick around, man.  You're a real dumpster fire and highly entertaining.  

You’re the MyPillow biter here, you got no possible way to lecture anyone on intelligence. You’re just scared is all. You’ll be ok. 

[torridjoe 48]

9 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

You attaching your frightened weakass kite to this anvil of a human? Ok then lol

[Mike Honcho 5,124]

7 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I feel like I'm in an Abbott and Costello skit...

I believe that if you allege that a defendant committed a crime to further a second crime, that the defendant should be charged with that second crime, and the prosecution must prove that crime beyond a reasonable doubt.  Otherwise, the defendant is denied due process.

It will be interesting to see if this is argued on appeal.

 

7 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Interesting distinction, thanks.  Like I said, we'll see if it is challenged.

From what I have read, I don't think it's even an appealable issue. 

[torridjoe 48]

7 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I feel like I'm in an Abbott and Costello skit...

I believe that if you allege that a defendant committed a crime to further a second crime, that the defendant should be charged with that second crime, and the prosecution must prove that crime beyond a reasonable doubt.  Otherwise, the defendant is denied due process.

It will be interesting to see if this is argued on appeal.

There’s no due process needed because no crime is charged, and no crime is charged because it’s not necessary to do so. 

[torridjoe 48]

7 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Interesting distinction, thanks.  Like I said, we'll see if it is challenged.

Yeah the conspiracy to commit is enough because it speaks to why the records were falsified…to cover up a crime. 

[BunnysBastatrds 2,320]

Miss…A poster from here went to the border. A listerine queen. She blew the trucker, crashed into a cactus and forty one people in the semi died of Joe.

[jerryskids 6,579]

13 minutes ago, torridjoe said:

There’s no due process needed because no crime is charged, and no crime is charged because it’s not necessary to do so. 

 

13 minutes ago, torridjoe said:

Yeah the conspiracy to commit is enough because it speaks to why the records were falsified…to cover up a crime. 

Thanks, I understand that.  My point is that it seems like NY can magically call any misdemeanor a felony by claiming some loose tie to another crime that they never need to litigate.

I'm not a lawyer, maybe this is normal and happens all the time in states across this great nation.  But it seems wrong.  Especially as an end-around to git the guy Bragg campaigned on gitting.

19 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

From what I have read, I don't think it's even an appealable issue. 

Again, not a lawyer so I don't know.  But unless it is firmly implanted in accepted law, I would think you can appeal something.

[TheNewGirl 1,357]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

Thanks, I understand that.  My point is that it seems like NY can magically call any misdemeanor a felony by claiming some loose tie to another crime that they never need to litigate.

I'm not a lawyer, maybe this is normal and happens all the time in states across this great nation.  But it seems wrong.  Especially as an end-around to git the guy Bragg campaigned on gitting.

Again, not a lawyer so I don't know.  But unless it is firmly implanted in accepted law, I would think you can appeal something.

All final judgements are appealable. Jury verdict is not. 

[torridjoe 48]

14 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

Thanks, I understand that.  My point is that it seems like NY can magically call any misdemeanor a felony by claiming some loose tie to another crime that they never need to litigate.

I'm not a lawyer, maybe this is normal and happens all the time in states across this great nation.  But it seems wrong.  Especially as an end-around to git the guy Bragg campaigned on gitting.

Again, not a lawyer so I don't know.  But unless it is firmly implanted in accepted law, I would think you can appeal something.

Well but it wasn’t magic and loose ties—the people around him admitted that was the point. There was plenty of evidence to support the existence of a conspiracy. 

[Mike Honcho 5,124]

47 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

Thanks, I understand that.  My point is that it seems like NY can magically call any misdemeanor a felony by claiming some loose tie to another crime that they never need to litigate.

I'm not a lawyer, maybe this is normal and happens all the time in states across this great nation.  But it seems wrong.  Especially as an end-around to git the guy Bragg campaigned on gitting.

Again, not a lawyer so I don't know.  But unless it is firmly implanted in accepted law, I would think you can appeal something.

I'm sure they will appeal everything that crosses their mind, but I like the statute of limitations issue the most, for what it's worth. It's a misdemeanor to falsify business records, and the statute of limitations on that is 2 years. He was writing the checks until 2017, so 2019.  The he was in the White House and Covid extensions might still not be enough to be able to bring charges. Now the felony version of that law is 5 years, but you can't elevate it to felony without the misdemeanor---it's the kind of technicality that SCOTUS loves, get to toss the case without getting their hands dirty.   

Anyway, that would be my play.

[torridjoe 48]

5 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

I'm sure they will appeal everything that crosses their mind, but I like the statute of limitations issue the most, for what it's worth. It's a misdemeanor to falsify business records, and the statute of limitations on that is 2 years. He was writing the checks until 2017, so 2019.  The he was in the White House and Covid extensions might still not be enough to be able to bring charges. Now the felony version of that law is 5 years, but you can't elevate it to felony without the misdemeanor---it's the kind of technicality that SCOTUS loves, get to toss the case without getting their hands dirty.   

Anyway, that would be my play.

He was in the White House until 2021 and so the clock didn’t even start then since the payments occurred during his presidency. Then you have the COVID extension which at earliest would go through 2021 and end in 2022 (which is super generous to him). So say the clock starts ticking 1/1/2022, clearly the case is still in play by the time of indictment. 

As you say however, they’ll try anything they think they can finagle. Whether it happens early enough to prevent the necessary damage to his POTUS aspirations, is another matter. 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

1 hour ago, torridjoe said:

You’re the MyPillow biter here, you got no possible way to lecture anyone on intelligence. You’re just scared is all. You’ll be ok. 

Not scared at all.  Just want you a-holes to stay in your own focking lane (ie - stop trying to ram your stupid-asss ideas and perverted lifestyles down everyone's throats).  Is that so hard Mr. Socialist Soy Boyo?

[Mike Honcho 5,124]

Just now, torridjoe said:

He was in the White House until 2021 and so the clock didn’t even start then since the payments occurred during his presidency. Then you have the COVID extension which at earliest would go through 2021 and end in 2022 (which is super generous to him). So say the clock starts ticking 1/1/2022, clearly the case is still in play by the time of indictment. 

I agree with you, and that's exactly how I would argue it if I were the prosecution. But there are some unusual circumstances here, like why can't a state charge him if he's in the White House, COVID time extensions, just seems to be enough to muddy the waters. It would still be a massive long shot and pretty unprecedented for SCOTUS to be telling a state how they must interpret the rules of when a crime is time barred. 

*As an aside, I find it strange that we have time limits on when crimes can be prosecuted. But that's an entirely different thread. 

[torridjoe 48]

Just now, Patented Phil said:

Not scared at all.  Just want you a-holes to stay in your own focking lane (ie - stop trying to ram your stupid-asss ideas and perverted lifestyles down everyone's throats).  Is that so hard Mr. Socialist Soy Boyo?

You’re super scared or you wouldn’t care or make such a deal about your public protestations against homosexuality and transgender care. Nobody who’s secure in their sexuality makes that big a deal about them because they’re zero threat to anyone. It’s only the secret dicksucking wonderers like you who cry and moan about it. The fact that you think it’s being “rammed down your throat” just tells me how hyperaware you are of it and how much it intimidates you. 

You’re not special. You’re just a dime a dozen weakling who is worried they’re gay and wants everyone to know loudly they’re not. Tiresome. We did this 30 years ago. It’s boring. 

[torridjoe 48]

3 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

I agree with you, and that's exactly how I would argue it if I were the prosecution. But there are some unusual circumstances here, like why can't a state charge him if he's in the White House, COVID time extensions, just seems to be enough to muddy the waters. It would still be a massive long shot and pretty unprecedented for SCOTUS to be telling a state how they must interpret the rules of when a crime is time barred. 

*As an aside, I find it strange that we have time limits on when crimes can be prosecuted. But that's an entirely different thread. 

Well and I don’t think Dem strategists really wanted this to be the case that was adjudicated before the election. But he was so cartoonishly blatant about it there kind of wasn’t any practical choice otherwise. So it’s kind of ironic then that the case they weren’t sure was the ironclad one they wanted but pressed because they’d look worse for NOT prosecuting something so obvious, became a slam dunk verdict that still may not be ironclad on appeal but also might do the job they were hoping it would. Forget the overall polling; I want to know where independents go as the summer drags on with this issue. They’ll tell the tale. The GOP will be motivated as all hell and even without Trump there would be a huge surge for reproductive care rights…but to me the big wild cards are Gaza and the independents. 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

7 minutes ago, torridjoe said:

You’re super scared or you wouldn’t care or make such a deal about your public protestations against homosexuality and transgender care. Nobody who’s secure in their sexuality makes that big a deal about them because they’re zero threat to anyone. It’s only the secret dicksucking wonderers like you who cry and moan about it. The fact that you think it’s being “rammed down your throat” just tells me how hyperaware you are of it and how much it intimidates you. 

You’re not special. You’re just a dime a dozen weakling who is worried they’re gay and wants everyone to know loudly they’re not. Tiresome. We did this 30 years ago. It’s boring. 

Go fock yourself loser.  You think I'm scared of freaks and a phag like you?  I swat pansies like you away like the gnats you are, and laugh the whole while doing it.  What used to be a funny nuisance becomes a bigger problem when you start wanting to bring impressionable kids into your twisted lifestyle.  Leave them the fock alone.  And I'd say the same thing to anyone wanting to teach any type of hetero sex-ed to kids prior to middle school.  You got that little man?  Don't make me smack you all over this board like the little biatch you are.  I'm already embarrassed for you.  Should've stayed away - you ain't cut out for the new brand of Conservatives in here.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,863]

13 minutes ago, torridjoe said:

You’re super scared or you wouldn’t care or make such a deal about your public protestations against homosexuality and transgender care. Nobody who’s secure in their sexuality makes that big a deal about them because they’re zero threat to anyone. It’s only the secret dicksucking wonderers like you who cry and moan about it. The fact that you think it’s being “rammed down your throat” just tells me how hyperaware you are of it and how much it intimidates you. 

You’re not special. You’re just a dime a dozen weakling who is worried they’re gay and wants everyone to know loudly they’re not. Tiresome. We did this 30 years ago. It’s boring. 

Well, after a few days it's patently obvious you're struggling with YOUR sexuality.  You're accusing way to many other posters of secretly being gay to not be a coincidence.  Your projecting is way obvious here because you're so hyper-focused on calling others out for being secretly gay simply for disagreeing.  This is a YOU problem, not anyone else's.

How long you been struggling?  It's clear you're weak and unable to come to grips with it and not the "confident" man you're claiming yourself to be.  

[Patented Phil 1,469]

8 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Well, after a few days it's patently obvious you're struggling with YOUR sexuality.  You're accusing way to many other posters of secretly being gay to not be a coincidence.  Your projecting is way obvious here because you're so hyper-focused on calling others out for being secretly gay simply for disagreeing.  This is a YOU problem, not anyone else's.

How long you been struggling?  It's clear you're weak and unable to come to grips with it and not the "confident" man you're claiming yourself to be.  

Believe me - this guy's as queer as a $3 bill.  Which is fine and all.  I really couldn't care less.  Just keep it in your bedroom and stop grooming kids.  Very reasonable ask.

[jerryskids 6,579]

11 minutes ago, torridjoe said:

Well and I don’t think Dem strategists really wanted this to be the case that was adjudicated before the election. But he was so cartoonishly blatant about it there kind of wasn’t any practical choice otherwise. So it’s kind of ironic then that the case they weren’t sure was the ironclad one they wanted but pressed because they’d look worse for NOT prosecuting something so obvious, became a slam dunk verdict that still may not be ironclad on appeal but also might do the job they were hoping it would. Forget the overall polling; I want to know where independents go as the summer drags on with this issue. They’ll tell the tale. The GOP will be motivated as all hell and even without Trump there would be a huge surge for reproductive care rights…but to me the big wild cards are Gaza and the independents. 

I appreciate your willingness to say the quiet part out loud.  This is what I asked in my first comment to you -- to admit that this is all part of a strategy to stop the mean OMB from running for president.  You wouldn't admit it then, but you have now.  

I remember you supporting a woman's right to abort a baby up until birth, because you believed that it was a woman's choice, and that that choice didn't change based on time.  I didn't agree with your position, but I appreciated the consistency of it.

You used to be a liberal, but now you are a machiavellian leftist.   

[Patented Phil 1,469]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I appreciate your willingness to say the quiet part out loud.  This is what I asked in my first comment to you -- to admit that this is all part of a strategy to stop the mean OMB from running for president.  You wouldn't admit it then, but you have now.  

I remember you supporting a woman's right to abort a baby up until birth, because you believed that it was a woman's choice, and that that choice didn't change based on time.  I didn't agree with your position, but I appreciated the consistency of it.

You used to be a liberal, but now you are a machiavellian leftist.   

If he supported that then he's a step BELOW Nazis.  Seriously - that might be the most depraved, sick, evil, immoral act any person could commit.  It's straight up infanticide, by just about any reasonable definition.  Imagine the beautiful sight of the first time you saw your newborn child.  Now imagine that this sick fock is ok with butchering that child one day earlier.  People like @torridjoe don't deserve a spot on the planet.  It's really that simple.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,863]

11 hours ago, Patented Phil said:

If he supported that then he's a step BELOW Nazis.  Seriously - that might be the most depraved, sick, evil, immoral act any person could commit.  It's straight up infanticide, by just about any reasonable definition.  Imagine the beautiful sight of the first time you saw your newborn child.  Now imagine that this sick fock is ok with butchering that child one day earlier.  People like this don't deserve a spot on the planet.  It's really that simple.

It's really more of a Marxist/Communist thing so it is right up his alley as an extreme leftist.

[seafoam1 2,808]

2 hours ago, torridjoe said:

You attaching your frightened weakass kite to this anvil of a human? Ok then lol

Another pimpledoosh character at work. 

Liberals are so stupid. 

[SUXBNME 1,458]

Some of you "right wingers" here are acting like the liberal dooshes we can't stand in this thread. Dumbass name calling and such. Be more like Jerryskids, and not yourselves. 

It's fukkin TorridJoe.  Learn from him.  Politically, he may be our opposite, therefore study his way of thinking. He will tell you exactly the way his mind works. He's not shy. 

Also, he's a pretty cool individual. Always has been 

[torridjoe 48]

4 hours ago, Patented Phil said:

Go fock yourself loser.  You think I'm scared of freaks and a phag like you?  I swat pansies like you away like the gnats you are, and laugh the whole while doing it.  What used to be a funny nuisance becomes a bigger problem when you start wanting to bring impressionable kids into your twisted lifestyle.  Leave them the fock alone.  And I'd say the same thing to anyone wanting to teach any type of hetero sex-ed to kids prior to middle school.  You got that little man?  Don't make me smack you all over this board like the little biatch you are.  I'm already embarrassed for you.  Should've stayed away - you ain't cut out for the new brand of Conservatives in here.

Well y’all are definitely less articulate and much weaker and softer than you used to be. It’s amazing how much makes y’all cry—or more pertinently as above, rage incoherently to cover that worrisome fear. You’re ignorant and being grifted on the facts and so you say dumbass like “wanting to bring impressionable kids into your twisted lifestyle.” I’m a married cishet dude with 5 kids. What lifestyle are you even talking about? Are you saying you’d be gay unless someone taught you to be hetero? Interesting notion. 

Nerve struck lol

[torridjoe 48]

52 minutes ago, SUXBNME said:

Some of you "right wingers" here are acting like the liberal dooshes we can't stand in this thread. Dumbass name calling and such. Be more like Jerryskids, and not yourselves. 

It's fukkin TorridJoe.  Learn from him.  Politically, he may be our opposite, therefore study his way of thinking. He will tell you exactly the way his mind works. He's not shy. 

Also, he's a pretty cool individual. Always has been 

That’s kind. I think I’m pretty tolerant of opposing viewpoints if they’re rationally based and that leaves out any notion of people who are “less than” whether by race, religion, national origin, orientation, gender, etc. And I have the advantage of being innoculated against “but Biden” because I think Biden and the Dems are shittier than the Republicans because they should know better. 

So I’m gonna dumbass name call and shame the ignorant and fearful bigotry on the board. Otherwise I try to be fairly respectful. Fairly lol. 

Cheers!

[torridjoe 48]

5 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Well, after a few days it's patently obvious you're struggling with YOUR sexuality.  You're accusing way to many other posters of secretly being gay to not be a coincidence.  Your projecting is way obvious here because you're so hyper-focused on calling others out for being secretly gay simply for disagreeing.  This is a YOU problem, not anyone else's.

How long you been struggling?  It's clear you're weak and unable to come to grips with it and not the "confident" man you're claiming yourself to be.  

Maybe way too many other posters are signaling that they’re worried about their sexuality. That’s not my fault if you guys cluster. It’s not simply for disagreeing. It’s for making up reasons to revile LGBTQ that evince nothing other than ignorant fear. Like the drag queen story hour. You look stupid and just fearful. I guess you’re gonna call me racist for pointing out when yahoos like you say some stupid racist , cause that’s the pattern you’re establishing here. 

I’m fine with gays, bi, non binary, trans women in sport, questioning, whatever. Don’t confront me at all. Why should it? 

Let’s keep the focus on who is crying and moaning about “the gays” and what the possible reasons could be. I mean it’s not like there isn’t a pattern on your side of dudes trying to enact tough anti gay policies and then being busted as gay themselves. It’s self loathing behavior. So when you loathe, the natural conclusion is cause you loathe yourself in the end. Folks who are fine with “the gays” don’t have that problem. It’s that simple. Sorry. 

[torridjoe 48]

4 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

Another pimpledoosh character at work. 

Liberals are so stupid. 

Ain’t no liberal. Take that back.