New Contract Extension for Justin Jefferson

[Mike FF Today 721]

These WRs are up for deals now have a new market: CeeDee Lamb, Ja'Marr Chase, Brandon Aiyuk, Amari Cooper and Tee Higgins.

[Maximum Overkill 1,738]

Who's happier than CeeDee and Chase right now?

Dallas done messed up! 

[weepaws 3,150]

Jerry is going to pay big for his blunder.  

[Ray_T 739]

55 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Jerry is going to pay big for his blunder.  

well, we dont know that for sure. 

I guess it depends on where they were in the talks   inflation rate has moved up and the cap has too..... so I was sure that the market was gonna move for WR and QB for sure.  we just didnt know by how much it would move.

its also possible that CeeDee wasnt gonna sign until they saw where the market was anyhow.

[weepaws 3,150]

Read that the Cowboys and speeded up negotiation with Lamb.  Jerry is going to pay. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,738]

43 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Read that the Cowboys and speeded up negotiation with Lamb.  Jerry is going to pay. 

Jerrah should of handled this before last season, especially with Dak's situation. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Do any of these receivers continue to dominate after a monster contract?

Got Tyreek Hill, yes.

AJ Brown did it.

Anybody else?

I just get wary once they’ve gotten that huge payday

[Ray_T 739]

well, he hasnt been a flash in the pan.  hes produced pretty steady since he was drafted.   I dont think a big contract will change that.

the only negative factor is hes got an aging Dak Prescott who admittedly has at least 3 or 4 good years left (assuming good health) and possibly 5 or 6 years.    so the last year or two of the contract may not pay off but I think they will be fine.

[Maximum Overkill 1,738]

45 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Do any of these receivers continue to dominate after a monster contract?

Got Tyreek Hill, yes.

AJ Brown did it.

Anybody else?

I just get wary once they’ve gotten that huge payday

I think we're safe with CeeDee and Chase. They're both alphas in great situations. I do worry a hair about Jefferson for Fantasy, although the target share should be there. 

[weepaws 3,150]

Burrow doesn’t sound like he’s going to be fully recovered, I’m a little bit concern about Chase imo. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,738]

9 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Burrow doesn’t sound like he’s going to be fully recovered, I’m a little bit concern about Chase imo. 

Burrows is not fully healthy, there's big questions there as well. Browning was pretty effective with Burrow out. I think they'll be fine. 

[Super Cubs 153]

which QB will be throwing the ball to Jefferson this season?

[weepaws 3,150]

Darnold will be the week one starter. After week one it’s just a matter of time when the Vikings are eliminated, after that the rookie will play.  

But a rotating of qbs from one game to another could very well take place. Imo. 

[LaChup 228]

Jefferson will be great if he ever gets a QB again.

[wolves111 104]

14 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I think we're safe with CeeDee and Chase. They're both alphas in great situations. I do worry a hair about Jefferson for Fantasy, although the target share should be there. 

Chase is on the cover of Fantasy Index this season. That's the ultimate jinx as the last 20 years have proven.   

[Maximum Overkill 1,738]

1 hour ago, wolves111 said:

Chase is on the cover of Fantasy Index this season. That's the ultimate jinx as the last 20 years have proven.   

Ohh Boy, not good 

[TBayXXXVII 2,480]

17 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Do any of these receivers continue to dominate after a monster contract?

Got Tyreek Hill, yes.

AJ Brown did it.

Anybody else?

I just get wary once they’ve gotten that huge payday

Davante Adams
Stefon Diggs
Mike Evans
Chris Godwin
Keenan Allen
DJ Moore
Cooper Kupp
Tyler Lockett
Deandre Hopkins


But that's just off my head.  I'm sure there's more.

[TBayXXXVII 2,480]

23 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Who's happier than CeeDee and Chase right now?

Dallas done messed up! 

Why, what was Lamb asking for?

[Maximum Overkill 1,738]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Why, what was Lamb asking for?

He certainly will now. 

If not they'll be very similar contacts. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,480]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

He certainly will now. 

If not they'll be very similar contacts. 

Just not sure how you can make the claim that Jerry messed up.  You have to be assuming that Lamb didn't want $35M AAV, which seems a little out of touch.  I think this helps Dallas and makes it easier for Jones.  Just say "Look, you're numbers are the same as his, we'll give you the same deal."  Seems easy enough to me.  Otherwise, just tag him the next 2 years and he can play on 1 year deals for 2 years and hope he doesn't get hurt.  It'll still come out to the same money, so it wouldn't make sense for Lamb to say "No" to security. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,738]

8 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Just not sure how you can make the claim that Jerry messed up. 

Well, if they paid CeeDee earlier, even a year ago they'd of saved a ton of money. This was a conversation a year ago. 

Hell look what Philly did with AJ Brown and Smith just weeks ago? 

Lamb previously had skipped voluntary workouts and will now avoid the only mandatory work during the offseason workout program. Missing mandatory minicamp subjects a player to fines, however, with Lamb playing under the fifth-year option of his rookie contract, fines for skipping offseason work can be waived, as we saw last year with Nick Bosa in San Francisco.

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8 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Well, if they paid CeeDee earlier, even a year ago they'd of saved a ton of money. This was a conversation a year ago. 

Hell look what Philly did with AJ Brown and Smith just weeks ago? 

Lamb previously had skipped voluntary workouts and will now avoid the only mandatory work during the offseason workout program. Missing mandatory minicamp subjects a player to fines, however, with Lamb playing under the fifth-year option of his rookie contract, fines for skipping offseason work can be waived, as we saw last year with Nick Bosa in San Francisco.

Yeah, I don't see it that way.  The contracts that were out there already were Adams at $28M AAV and Hill at $30M AAV.  There's no way he wouldn't have wanted around $35M, even before last season.  At the minimum, he'd have been asking for $32M AAV, so waiting is going to cost him what... $12M over 4 years?  That's nothing.  It's not like Jefferson got $45M AAV.  If that were the case, I'd agree with you.

[weepaws 3,150]

Should have paid that man is money, and Jerry would have been ahead.  Now it’s going to cost him, Jefferson deal just raised the bar a lot.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,738]

1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

There's no way he wouldn't have wanted around $35M, even before last season.  

Well brace yourself, because he's about to get it now. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,480]

Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

Well brace yourself, because he's about to get it now. 

I don't see that as an issue. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,738]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I don't see that as an issue. 

It's only an issue because Dak is on a contract year and Parsons is about to be the highest paid Defenseman. How's that supposed to work? 

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24 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

It's only an issue because Dak is on a contract year and Parsons is about to be the highest paid Defenseman. How's that supposed to work? 

Contract structuring.  It's not hard to push higher base pays to the back end of the deal freeing up more money now (if necessary), also, voidable years.  Each of the 3 can have 1 year with a really high base pay to which, the contract can be re-negotiated to stretch out the deal.

Jalen Hurts: $51M AAV
AJ Brown: $32M AAV
DeVonta Smith: $25M AAV
3 other players with $20M AAV each

How did they make that work????  

Their Top 6 AAV's total $171M+... Dallas' Top 6 are $127.5M.  Right now, Dallas is projected to be almost $80M under the cap next year.  They have plenty of flexibility to make it work.

[Ray_T 739]

2 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Contract structuring.  It's not hard to push higher base pays to the back end of the deal freeing up more money now (if necessary), also, voidable years.  Each of the 3 can have 1 year with a really high base pay to which, the contract can be re-negotiated to stretch out the deal.

Jalen Hurts: $51M AAV
AJ Brown: $32M AAV
DeVonta Smith: $25M AAV
3 other players with $20M AAV each

How did they make that work????  

Their Top 6 AAV's total $171M+... Dallas' Top 6 are $127.5M.  Right now, Dallas is projected to be almost $80M under the cap next year.  They have plenty of flexibility to make it work.

well, they will probably need it.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,480]

Just now, Ray_T said:

well, they will probably need it.  

Every team does it... money is fungible.

[GobbleDog 976]

17 hours ago, weepaws said:

Darnold will be the week one starter. After week one it’s just a matter of time when the Vikings are eliminated,

Most people say Darnold sucks off hand, but look at what he's been through. Drafted by the Jets in 2018, followed by 2 years under offensive bozo Adam Gase, traded to Panthers, then backup in San Fran.

One could argue this is first real chance. I'm not crazy enough to draft him, but it's the best situation he's ever had with a stable coaching staff and lots of weapons. Vikings might not get eliminated as quickly as some think.

[Ray_T 739]

8 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Most people say Darnold sucks off hand, but look at what he's been through. Drafted by the Jets in 2018, followed by 2 years under offensive bozo Adam Gase, traded to Panthers, then backup in San Fran.

One could argue this is first real chance. I'm not crazy enough to draft him, but it's the best situation he's ever had with a stable coaching staff and lots of weapons. Vikings might not get eliminated as quickly as some think.

true.

sometimes when a piss poor organization drafts a QB its hard for that QB to thrive in that kind of scenario.

though the guy replacing him is the shiny new toy drafted in round 1.   politically its a dangerous move to not give the kid the starting job at some point.   Darnold would need to blow the doors off statistically and win his games to keep the kid off the field.

if Darnold goes 3-3 or 4-2 in the first 6 games.......I'd suggest that may not be good enough.   Though 4-2 may warrant giving him a couple extra games. (if  they give him that much of a leash)  more likely if hes not winning they pull him after 2 or 3 games and put in the kid.

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I haven't seen a damn thing from Darnold that resembles an NFL QB. The Vikings are in trouble if McCarthy can't beat him out. 

[weepaws 3,150]

49 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Most people say Darnold sucks off hand, but look at what he's been through. Drafted by the Jets in 2018, followed by 2 years under offensive bozo Adam Gase, traded to Panthers, then backup in San Fran.

One could argue this is first real chance. I'm not crazy enough to draft him, but it's the best situation he's ever had with a stable coaching staff and lots of weapons. Vikings might not get eliminated as quickly as some think.

Agreed, absolutely the best landing spot for him, now he needs to prove it.  I’m thinking a streamer. 

[weepaws 3,150]

36 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I haven't seen a damn thing from Darnold that resembles an NFL QB. The Vikings are in trouble if McCarthy can't beat him out. 

Vikings are in trouble no matter which one is their Qb. Imo.  Last place on their division. 

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5 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Vikings are in trouble no matter which one is their Qb. Imo.  Last place on their division. 

I don't disagree with that at all. 

[polecatt 474]

On 6/3/2024 at 2:13 PM, weepaws said:

Jerry is going to pay big for his blunder.  

It will be big for a season or so, but it won't take long for whatever they pay Ceedee to be normal market value for a top notch WR...

[weepaws 3,150]

1 hour ago, polecatt said:

It will be big for a season or so, but it won't take long for whatever they pay Ceedee to be normal market value for a top notch WR...

One season. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,738]

5 hours ago, polecatt said:

It will be big for a season or so, but it won't take long for whatever they pay Ceedee to be normal market value for a top notch WR...

But I think the real question is, how do you pay Dak, CeeDee & Parsons? All will likely be the highest paid at their respective positions. 

That's a hell of a hit for any team to take. 

[polecatt 474]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

But I think the real question is, how do you pay Dak, CeeDee & Parsons? All will likely be the highest paid at their respective positions. 

That's a hell of a hit for any team to take. 

Re-worked deals...

They got Diggs on a pretty good deal too, and Daron Bland will demand a hefty salary as well, although I expect him to hit the market.

[kilroy69 1,215]

4 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

But I think the real question is, how do you pay Dak, CeeDee & Parsons? All will likely be the highest paid at their respective positions. 

That's a hell of a hit for any team to take. 

I hope Jerry gives Dak like 70 mil a year...to disappoint cowboy fans each year. Jerry is behind the times. Is dak a top 5 QB? If he is then pay him. If he is not then you let him play out his contract. Stink for one season and then get a qb you can control for 5 years and pay them less than a years worth of dak service time.