CNN doing everything they can to block the debate fairuse

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,338]

cause of course they are

https://thepostmillennial.com/revealed-cnn-threatens-youtube-channels-that-provide-trump-biden-debate-commentary

[Herbivore 1,131]

I will likely watch some of the debate on CNN. I dont know how these youtube channels work, in regard to would they pull viewers from the CNN broadcast, and therefore hurt their numbers. why is this a problem for you?

[supermike80 1,899]

Yeah I have no problem with this.   Copyrights should matter,

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3 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

I will likely watch some of the debate on CNN. I dont know how these youtube channels work, in regard to would they pull viewers from the CNN broadcast, and therefore hurt their numbers. why is this a problem for you?

no CNN gains viewers, because they would be embedding the live stream from CNN, meaning their add revenue climbs by more viewership

Just now, supermike80 said:

Yeah I have no problem with this.   Copyrights should matter,

not how it works, nor ever has

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,338]

How much of someone else's work can I use without getting permission?

Under the fair use doctrine of the U.S. copyright statute, it is permissible to use limited portions of a work including quotes, for purposes such as commentary, criticism, news reporting, and scholarly reports. There are no legal rules permitting the use of a specific number of words, a certain number of musical notes, or percentage of a work. Whether a particular use qualifies as fair use depends on all the circumstances. See, Fair Use Index, and Circular 21, Reproductions of Copyrighted Works by Educators and Librarians.

https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-fairuse.html#:~:text=Under the fair use doctrine,news reporting%2C and scholarly reports.

[thegeneral 3,191]

How about watch it yourself then watch commentary afterwards?

[supermike80 1,899]

I read the article as CNN was trying to block other sites livestreaming the debate and commenting while it was happening.   That doesn't fall under what you just posted.  At all.

So under the fair use, I can live stream a NFL game on my platform and monetize that streaming?  That's legal?

 

First paragraph:

On Monday night's episode of Timcast, host Tim Pool revealed that CNN, which is hosting the first presidential debate of the general election season on Thursday, has warned any YouTube channels that intend to live stream the debate while providing commentary for viewers that this would not be permitted under copyright. The debate will be hosted by Jake Tapper.

[Herbivore 1,131]

Just now, supermike80 said:

I read the article as CNN was trying to block other sites livestreaming the debate and commenting while it was happening.   That doesn't fall under what you just posted.  At all.

So under the fair use, I can live stream a NFL game on my platform and monetize that streaming?  That's legal?

yeah, something not lining up here

[thegeneral 3,191]

1 minute ago, Herbivore said:

yeah, something not lining up here

“The Post Millennial” is a highly biased site. 

[Mike Honcho 5,259]

Raiders is now an expert on Fair Use. 

I work in video production and anytime we come close to a Fair Use issue, we are on the phone with an attorney to make sure we are in the clear.  I have some experience with this, but live streaming someone else's content and talking over it, doesn't seem to clear the normal Fair Use bars. 

[Mike Honcho 5,259]

11 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I read the article as CNN was trying to block other sites livestreaming the debate and commenting while it was happening.   That doesn't fall under what you just posted.  At all.

So under the fair use, I can live stream a NFL game on my platform and monetize that streaming?  That's legal?

 

First paragraph:

On Monday night's episode of Timcast, host Tim Pool revealed that CNN, which is hosting the first presidential debate of the general election season on Thursday, has warned any YouTube channels that intend to live stream the debate while providing commentary for viewers that this would not be permitted under copyright. The debate will be hosted by Jake Tapper.

The big takeaway as I understand Fair Use is to use something in a transformative way.  

For instance, if I host a YT show on editing techniques and grab a 30 second of Heat diner scene to explain the wide shot, cutting, j and l cutting---that would fall under fair use.  I'm not monetizing the movie by showing the movie, I'm making money based on teaching people editing techniques and I'm using the clip to educate how those techniques are used in practice. If you watch Honest Movie Trailers, they use clips of movies and but they are making their money by making parodies of movies and movie trailers.  IMO---videos like that are the ones that are going right up to the line on the fair use laws...

Showing a debate and offering commentary isn't a enough---you aren't transforming the show into something else.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,338]

10 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Raiders is now an expert on Fair Use. 

I work in video production and anytime we come close to a Fair Use issue, we are on the phone with an attorney to make sure we are in the clear.  I have some experience with this, but live streaming someone else's content and talking over it, doesn't seem to clear the normal Fair Use bars. 

not saying I am an expert, I am saying I have been watching debates with other people streaming over with commentary since live streaming has been a thing

also not allowing this is racist cause poor black people don't know how to use the internet and its not on tv's with antennas which is all the blacks have

 

 

[Mike Honcho 5,259]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

not saying I am an expert, I am saying I have been watching debates with other people streaming over with commentary since live streaming has been a thing

also not allowing this is racist cause poor black people don't know how to use the internet and its not on tv's with antennas which is all the blacks have

 

 

 

 

23 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

 

not how it works, nor ever has

Sure seems, you were claiming some knowledge here of how it works.  And just because you saw it happen-doesn't mean it's legal.  

And playing the race card..  

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1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

 

Sure seems, you were claiming some knowledge here of how it works.  And just because you saw it happen-doesn't mean it's legal.  

And playing the race card..  

I am just using the democrat playbook, if Fox was doing this, that would be the narrative

I am not claiming knowledge, just sharing an article, and knowing how I have watched every single presidential debate since 2012

 

[Herbivore 1,131]

6 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

“The Post Millennial” is a highly biased site. 

I figured, raiders posted it.  The story though seems fine, mostly a here is what Tim Pool said article. Unlike most geeks, I can read an article with a timeline or series of quotes and can pick out the pertinent points even if its from a biased source. Our righty geeks cant have their safe space encrouched upon. @Voltaire just a few days ago questioned that Magas had a beef w TSwift, I shared a Rolling Stone article that covered the timeline. He could only whine about RS being biased..real snowflake stuff.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

23 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I read the article as CNN was trying to block other sites livestreaming the debate and commenting while it was happening.   That doesn't fall under what you just posted.  At all.

So under the fair use, I can live stream a NFL game on my platform and monetize that streaming?  That's legal?

 

First paragraph:

On Monday night's episode of Timcast, host Tim Pool revealed that CNN, which is hosting the first presidential debate of the general election season on Thursday, has warned any YouTube channels that intend to live stream the debate while providing commentary for viewers that this would not be permitted under copyright. The debate will be hosted by Jake Tapper.

Raiders is just your standard trumptard that wants to whine and cry about CNN and claim that they’re somehow shadowy and maybe it’s all some big conspiracy to silence his fellow trumptard podcasters and such

[Herbivore 1,131]

4 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I am just using the democrat playbook, if Fox was doing this, that would be the narrative

I am not claiming knowledge, just sharing an article, and knowing how I have watched every single presidential debate since 2012

 

I feel like it would be very distracting watching the debates with commentary over it. fact check after and discuss your opinions, but over it while its going on, just seems like its more leading propaganda

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,082]

25 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

“The Post Millennial” is a highly biased site. 

What about "The Pre Millennial"?  Still biased?

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3 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

I feel like it would be very distracting watching the debates with commentary over it. fact check after and discuss your opinions, but over it while its going on, just seems like its more leading propaganda

ive watched it like this, most the times the talking is limited but its like a real time fact check scrolling on the side

 

[thegeneral 3,191]

10 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I am just using the democrat playbook, if Fox was doing this, that would be the narrative

I am not claiming knowledge, just sharing an article, and knowing how I have watched every single presidential debate since 2012

 

It sounded like Fox had the similar copyright objections then changed their mind at some point. Watching the debate commentary after you have watched it without commentary seems useful.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,338]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

It sounded like Fox had the similar copyright objections then changed their mind at some point. Watching the debate commentary after you have watched it without commentary seems useful.

I suppose if you want to watch it twice shrug

 

[thegeneral 3,191]

4 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

What about "The Pre Millennial"?  Still biased?

There would hopefully be a lot less whining.

[Sean Mooney 1,982]

36 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

How about watch it yourself then watch commentary afterwards?

 

he needs his echo chamber to tell him how to think in the moment. 

[Sean Mooney 1,982]

25 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

The big takeaway as I understand Fair Use is to use something in a transformative way.  

For instance, if I host a YT show on editing techniques and grab a 30 second of Heat diner scene to explain the wide shot, cutting, j and l cutting---that would fall under fair use.  I'm not monetizing the movie by showing the movie, I'm making money based on teaching people editing techniques and I'm using the clip to educate how those techniques are used in practice. If you watch Honest Movie Trailers, they use clips of movies and but they are making their money by making parodies of movies and movie trailers.  IMO---videos like that are the ones that are going right up to the line on the fair use laws...

Showing a debate and offering commentary isn't a enough---you aren't transforming the show into something else.

Tim Pool isn't as smart as he thinks he is and even with that he still is smarter than Raiders so Pool is worshipped in this instance

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,338]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

 

he needs his echo chamber to tell him how to think in the moment. 

lol stay glued to washington post and come back after the black lesbian in chief tells you what to say

[thegeneral 3,191]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I suppose if you want to watch it twice shrug

 

That is a lot listening to these two blab through questions but personally just think it would be more useful.

Total nerd myself about this stuff but I like flipping between Fox and MSNBC to watch how they cover the same event. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,338]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

Tim Pool isn't as smart as he thinks he is and even with that he still is smarter than Raiders so Pool is worshipped in this instance

youre all for the mainstream aren't you

I worship no man, try again

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,338]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

That is a lot listening to these two blab through questions but personally just think it would be more useful.

Total nerd myself about this stuff but I like flipping between Fox and MSNBC to watch how they cover the same event. 

I dont have any of those channels, nor do I have cnn, unless they are broadcasting live on youtube, I wouldn't be able to watch it

 

[supermike80 1,899]

5 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I dont have any of those channels, nor do I have cnn, unless they are broadcasting live on youtube, I wouldn't be able to watch it

 

Wow..gee..You would think that might be why CNN copyrighted it.   To get people to possibly GET CNN if they really wanted to watch the debate.  Over letting some schmo livestream it on youtube.

Damn capitalists!!

[thegeneral 3,191]

2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I dont have any of those channels, nor do I have cnn, unless they are broadcasting live on youtube, I wouldn't be able to watch it

 

Pretty sure it’s on YouTube Tv or whatever they call it. 

[Sean Mooney 1,982]

8 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

lol stay glued to washington post and come back after the black lesbian in chief tells you what to say

People read the Washington Post?

Who is the black lesbian in chief that I listen to?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,338]

14 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Wow..gee..You would think that might be why CNN copyrighted it.   To get people to possibly GET CNN if they really wanted to watch the debate.  Over letting some schmo livestream it on youtube.

Damn capitalists!!

presidential debates quite frankly shouldn't be monetized.  It should be available to all Americans

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,338]

13 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

People read the Washington Post?

Who is the black lesbian in chief that I listen to?

Jean luc pickard or whatever her name is

[Sean Mooney 1,982]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Jean luc pickard or whatever her name is

I don't even know who that is

[supermike80 1,899]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

presidential debates quite frankly shouldn't be monetized.  It should be available to all Americans

 

Fair statement.  But this one is.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,338]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

I don't even know who that is

diversity hire black lesbian press secretary

 

[kilroy69 1,245]

I do not give CNN views. I will be able to find clips of it online. CNN only has one schtick. White people are bad. All day every day. 

[Sean Mooney 1,982]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

diversity hire black lesbian press secretary

 

People care about the press secretary?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,338]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

People care about the press secretary?

you do, so you don't have to worry about the deep fakes, cause Joe Biden is clearly alert and doing amazing

 

[Twinsdad 55]

43 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

I feel like it would be very distracting watching the debates with commentary over it. fact check after and discuss your opinions, but over it while its going on, just seems like its more leading propaganda

Sort of like ManningCast on MNF....

 

ETA: only on the distracting part.  Not sure they're adding any propaganda on the NFL content