So a person tried to assassinate Trump

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

No, this is completely wrong. The mainstream media in general  has never used violent rhetoric against Trump. A few stray commentators have, and usually have gotten themselves in trouble for it. But when you try to pin it on the entire media that’s just false. 
 

And you continue to ignore the main point that Trump is the worst proponent of political violence of all. And that his statements are not a reaction to the media, or anyone else doing it first; he has been the instigator. 

From his start in his candidacy, while there are many examples you can find, I will offer at least one to demonstrate that from start they were saying things such as "the "evenhanded" view of Trump that emerges from traditional reporting is that he’s a dangerous maniac — Democrats say it"

So it is far from "completely wrong" as you are suggesting, fortunately the internet tends to be a nice archive for all of their behaviors. It happened across the media, hell, I think  it could be fair to say that Trump "broke" CNN....turned them into something else....they became something less, and morose.

I think there are people who were worse than Trump in terms of political discourse, but there is some subjectivity to that. I have not found him too out of hand, though I have not and need not agree with every word from his mouth. His reaction to the media was spot on, and I was gratifed that he stood up to their attempts to take him down, and he still does, and I focking love it. 

Denying the media the ability to dictate elections and outcomes, is something I absolutely love.

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

No. I believe Donald’s lifelong reputation as a vile POS is well earned. You believe he’s a sweet boy who’s been unfairly picked on.  

Really? Seemed to be universally beloved prior to running for president.

I doubt anyone called him a sweet boy. 
 

I think you’re probably a sweet boy, though. 

[RLLD 4,230]

5 minutes ago, MDC said:

No. I believe Donald’s lifelong reputation as a vile POS is well earned. You believe he’s a sweet boy who’s been unfairly picked on.  

Oh, well that is fine. I mean, sure he probably is a POS.....and maybe an even bigger POS than Biden is....not that it matters of course. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

4 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

The one thing that nobody is getting wrong is that multiple, highly trained spotter teams failed in either detecting him or marking him as a potential threat. This wasn't a Jason Bourne 1000yd threat. He was observable, from elevation, from multiple locations at about 450 feet. That is as unacceptable as it gets & has opened the door to many questions. 

And that’s fine and we should get to the bottom of that. From what I’ve read so far it seems the secret service determined it was local law enforcement jurisdiction since it was outside of the rally area, and put the building in their purview but local law enforcement evidently dropped the ball (and it’d be fair to ask if the secret service should’ve had more oversight). Of course it’s very early so that could be very incomplete or even totally wrong. Time will tell and the fockups will come to the light. But the insane conspiracy theories on all sides are not helpful 

[squistion 2,201]

So...

Trump never used violent rhetoric before he ran for POTUS and the rhetoric he has used has only been in response to attacks on him by the media?

Talk about revisionist history. That overlooks his calling for the Central Park Five to be executed. And even though they were later completely exonerated by DNA and a confession of the actual perpetrator, he has yet to apologize to them or retract his inflammatory statements. 

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19 minutes ago, Steadymobbin 22 said:

Really? Seemed to be universally beloved prior to running for president.

I doubt anyone called him a sweet boy. 
 

I think you’re probably a sweet boy, though. 

Universally loved?

Everyone hates this dude, come on.

Also welcome back Peefoam Troubadoosh.

[Mike Honcho 5,275]

Since we know that the would-be-assassin's name is Thomas Matthew Crooks, shouldn't the thread title be updated?

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

Since we know that the would-be-assassin's name is Thomas Matthew Crooks, shouldn't the thread title be updated?

Great idea.

[RLLD 4,230]

26 minutes ago, squistion said:

So...

Trump never used violent rhetoric before he ran for POTUS and the rhetoric he has used has only been in response to attacks on him by the media?

Talk about revisionist history. That overlooks his calling for the Central Park Five to be executed. And even though they were later completely exonerated by DNA and a confession of the actual perpetrator, he has yet to apologize to them or retract his inflammatory statements. 

 

Well, to be fair.....the media also has been so reprehensible to SCOTUS that gunman were schemeing to take one of them out as well

So the media has been ready to setup the take down of others, aside from Trump, it would seem

[GutterBoy 2,899]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Great idea.

Still in quotes?  You think it was a Biden hit?

[Mike Honcho 5,275]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Great idea.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

On 7/13/2024 at 6:19 PM, RLLD said:

Democrats showing their colors?

No, Republican.

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Still in quotes?  You think it was a Biden hit?

Really, crying about quotes, I intended to delete them, you really are just a little crybaby, you realize that right? 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Really, crying about quotes, I intended to delete them, you really are just a little crybaby, you realize that right? 

I'm just.... asking.

[RLLD 4,230]

47 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No, this is completely wrong. The mainstream media in general  has never used violent rhetoric against Trump. A few stray commentators have, and usually have gotten themselves in trouble for it. But when you try to pin it on the entire media that’s just false. 
 

And you continue to ignore the main point that Trump is the worst proponent of political violence of all. And that his statements are not a reaction to the media, or anyone else doing it first; he has been the instigator. 

 

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

I'm just.... asking.

Yeah, but I can no presume you are being normal....you never bring anything other than snide comments, we dont even know if you have actual thoughts, you spend so much time just lobbing middle school insults.  You bring no value, why would I think you were trying to add value now?

[squistion 2,201]

7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Well, to be fair.....the media also has been so reprehensible to SCOTUS that gunman were schemeing to take one of them out as well

So the media has been ready to setup the take down of others, aside from Trump, it would seem

The link is a deflection to the point I was making, refuting the claim that Trump never used violent rhetoric before he ran for POTUS. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Yeah, but I can no presume you are being normal....you never bring anything other than snide comments, we dont even know if you have actual thoughts, you spend so much time just lobbing middle school insults.  You bring no value, why would I think you were trying to add value now?

Who's the crybaby?

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Who's the crybaby?

I just told you....you are.....I mean, WTF, can you not read now?

[RLLD 4,230]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

The link is a deflection to the point I was making, refuting the claim that Trump never used violent rhetoric before he ran for POTUS. 

Not exactly, though I get why you might suggest that.

I think the issue, where the media and Democrats were so keen to castigate the SCOTUS.....and then we had this clear threat to them....should have been the point at which everyone scaled back the rhetoric.   It was a warning that we all missed.

[Steadymobbin 22 10]

Yall need to back away from the keyboards for a few days.

 

All of us.

[Herbivore 1,134]

14 minutes ago, RLLD said:

 

Well, to be fair.....the media also has been so reprehensible to SCOTUS that gunman were schemeing to take one of them out as well

So the media has been ready to setup the take down of others, aside from Trump, it would seem

no, this again is just your bias. that kid had issues, turned himself in with his sisters help. gunman was scheming..please.

[squistion 2,201]

Just now, RLLD said:

Not exactly, though I get why you might suggest that.

I think the issue, where the media and Democrats were so keen to castigate the SCOTUS.....and then we had this clear threat to them....should have been the point at which everyone scaled back the rhetoric.   It was a warning that we all missed.

Again what I responded to was the discussion about Trump's rhetoric not by the media or others against SCOTUS. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Not exactly, though I get why you might suggest that.

I think the issue, where the media and Democrats were so keen to castigate the SCOTUS.....and then we had this clear threat to them....should have been the point at which everyone scaled back the rhetoric.   It was a warning that we all missed.

Agreed and the right should’ve taken a huge step back after January 6.

None of it happened.

Maybe it will now? But first you’d have to cut the sh1t

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, Herbivore said:

no, this again is just your bias. that kid had issues, turned himself in with his sisters help. gunman was scheming..please.

I concur, the kid had issues, but we missed how rhetoric may have fed into those issues....all of us did.  We did not appreciate the impact of feeding the youth, notably those with emotional/mental issues, this steady diet of "hitler" and "fascist" and "threat to our freedom" etc.

Not scheming, I think you are wrong, there is no scheming to this, its simply bad behaviors

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, squistion said:

Again what I responded to was the discussion about Trump's rhetoric not by the media or others against SCOTUS. 

That's fine, I am simply highlighting that we already has a warning that we missed.   I am not sure that this assassination's attempt was a warning so much as a wake up call. 

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

Agreed and the right should’ve taken a huge step back after January 6.

None of it happened.

Maybe it will now? But first you’d have to cut the sh1t

I am hopeful, but only to a limited extent.  We are asking the media and politicians to change their behaviors, stuff they have been developing all their life, and this would then be a true paradigm shift....I wish I could believe they could do it.  Hell, MSNBC was so afraid of their own vitriol that they took down their morning show....I mean, thats not great. 

[Herbivore 1,134]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I concur, the kid had issues, but we missed how rhetoric may have fed into those issues....all of us did.  We did not appreciate the impact of feeding the youth, notably those with emotional/mental issues, this steady diet of "hitler" and "fascist" and "threat to our freedom" etc.

Not scheming, I think you are wrong, there is no scheming to this, its simply bad behaviors

that is why I brought up Giffords. all of us didn't miss rhetoric issues. when Palin ran her ad, and Giffords got shot in the face, it was brought up.

I don't understand your 2nd paragraph. The link you posted about the Kavanaugh kid was named, "gunman were scheming to take one of them out as well", to which I responded "please", to say he was not scheming but just a kid with mental issues. what am I wrong about?

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I haven’t read everything here.  Sorry if I’m repeating other posts.

 The shooter’s presence was known to LE/SS two minutes before he took a shot.

WHY the heck was Trump still on stage at that point?!!?

Also, this kid was about as bad as humanly possible at hiding himself.  The fact that he was allowed to stay up there and/or that Trump wasn’t moved to safety is pure buffoonery.

Those metal roofs get hella hot.  He had to be burning his hands and forearms trying to crawl.  I think that led to him being spotted.

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1 minute ago, MLCKAA said:

I haven’t read everything here.  Sorry if I’m repeating other posts.

 The shooter’s presence was known to LE/SS two minutes before he took a shot.

WHY the heck was Trump still on stage at that point?!!?

Also, this kid was about as bad as humanly possible at hiding himself.  The fact that he was allowed to stay up there and/or that Trump wasn’t moved to safety is pure buffoonery.

Those metal roofs get hella hot.  He had to be burning his hands and forearms trying to crawl.  I think that led to him being spotted.

The worst security detail since Dealey Plaza ... you tell me how/why it was "allowed"

 

[RLLD 4,230]

9 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

that is why I brought up Giffords. all of us didn't miss rhetoric issues. when Palin ran her ad, and Giffords got shot in the face, it was brought up.

I don't understand your 2nd paragraph. The link you posted about the Kavanaugh kid was named, "gunman were scheming to take one of them out as well", to which I responded "please", to say he was not scheming but just a kid with mental issues. what am I wrong about?

Oh I see what you mean, I think the gunman likely had a scheme that involved bringing a weapon to harm a SCOTUS judge, so yeah, I think we could perhaps also say a plan or even perhaps a design, regardless of the words, I think the gunman likely did not just throw it in the car and head over there with no forethought.

You example of Giffords then is also too a good one. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

23 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I am hopeful, but only to a limited extent.  We are asking the media and politicians to change their behaviors, stuff they have been developing all their life, and this would then be a true paradigm shift....I wish I could believe they could do it.  Hell, MSNBC was so afraid of their own vitriol that they took down their morning show....I mean, thats not great. 

Wouldn’t that be a good sign?

The others should do the same. Retool and come back an actual news show as they should’ve been all along.

Problem is, there’s no ratings in that.

So until people quit wanting to see that garbage, I’m not sure what can really change. The right message from our leaders would help though 

[Nomad99 742]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

And that’s fine and we should get to the bottom of that. From what I’ve read so far it seems the secret service determined it was local law enforcement jurisdiction since it was outside of the rally area, and put the building in their purview but local law enforcement evidently dropped the ball (and it’d be fair to ask if the secret service should’ve had more oversight). Of course it’s very early so that could be very incomplete or even totally wrong. Time will tell and the fockups will come to the light. But the insane conspiracy theories on all sides are not helpful 

I'm not big on conspiracy theories.....but....he should have been observed, he was 400 feet away, at a lower elevation,  on a light colored roof & moving...if he was in a location responsible to local law enforcement,  they should have reported it to them....he should have been under constant observation until local law enforcement investigated...AND if all that had happened.....he would have been observed carrying a weapon WELL BEFORE he could set up to shoot....and either TAKEN OUT or had Trump's detail notified. THESE ARE THE EXACT SCENARIOS THAT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE TRAINED FOR. Either they ALL were incompetent OR something else was in play.

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

One of the key speakers last night at the RNC was Mark Robinson, the GOP candidate for government of North Carolina. Remember, the guy who calls gay people “filth”? He’s the one who recently said some people deserve killing. 

[DonS 3,292]

The Secret Service chick says they didn't secure that building because it had a "dangerous" sloped roof???  The counter snipers were on a sloped roof so what kind of horseh1t excuse is this?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/secret-service-director-trump-rally-shooter-identified-potential-person-suspicion

"That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof. And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside," she said.

 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

 

I think there are people who were worse than Trump in terms of political discourse, but there is some subjectivity to that. I have not found him too out of hand, though I have not and need not agree with every word from his mouth. His reaction to the media was spot on, and I was gratifed that he stood up to their attempts to take him down, and he still does, and I focking love it. 

Sorry but this statement alone destroys your credibility. It’s embarrassing. 

[RLLD 4,230]

5 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Wouldn’t that be a good sign?

The others should do the same. Retool and come back an actual news show as they should’ve been all along.

Problem is, there’s no ratings in that.

So until people quit wanting to see that garbage, I’m not sure what can really change. The right message from our leaders would help though 

Yeah, it is a good sign if I think about it.  Its a sad statement on the media of course.   But if we can go back to something a little more journalistic, that would be so much better.

Though, as you have noted, there is no ratings in that. 

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Sorry but this statement alone destroys your credibility. It’s embarrassing. 

The media has been manipulative partisans for too long.

My credibility remains intact, since they now have to face up to that fact.   And are starting to.

I love it in some small part because their smug and smarmy little b!tch asses get taken down a notch, and in part because it might force some return to journalistic integrity.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

9 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

I'm not big on conspiracy theories.....but....he should have been observed, he was 400 feet away, at a lower elevation,  on a light colored roof & moving...if he was in a location responsible to local law enforcement,  they should have reported it to them....he should have been under constant observation until local law enforcement investigated...AND if all that had happened.....he would have been observed carrying a weapon WELL BEFORE he could set up to shoot....and either TAKEN OUT or had Trump's detail notified. THESE ARE THE EXACT SCENARIOS THAT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE TRAINED FOR. Either they ALL were incompetent OR something else was in play.

It may be that all of that happened except that it was not communicated to the secret service inside the venue that there was a potential shooter in time to get Trump off the stage and everyone to safety.

I’m not trying to defend anyone here, obviously somebody or multiple people/agencies focked up. Just saying it probably wasn’t a conspiracy. But even if it was, don’t you think congressional republicans will be motivated to uncover that? So I’d wait for all the various investigations to play out before jumping to conclusions 

[Cdub100 3,908]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

The media has been manipulative partisans for too long.

My credibility remains intact, since they now have to face up to that fact.   And are starting to.

I love it in some small part because their smug and smarmy little b!tch asses get taken down a notch, and in part because it might force some return to journalistic integrity.

The media is controlled by an oligopoly. There is no incentive for them to have integrity. Unless the government reverses the law signed under Clinton that allowed them to merge the way they have. They will continue to merge until there is only one or two.