Bench D? Can only lose with neg points

[scottybo 1]

I’m up 1.68 pts going into tonight’s game with bills d. Only way I lose is with negative points.

Options

- Bench D and secure win (need to confirm league rules)

- pick up Vikings off waivers. Technically available because havent played this week yet.  (drop bills d), Vikings play det next week though 

- play bills d vs jets ( I’ve got lucky with some wins this year so behind in total points)

thoughts?

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,481]

Is there any advantage to total points?  If not, I'd bench them.

[weepaws 3,152]

Leagues I’m in, total points pays out bigger than hth.   Like TB said, if total points doesn’t matter much, I’ll set them.  Congrats 

[scottybo 1]

1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Is there any advantage to total points?  If not, I'd bench them.

Total points impacts playoff seeding.   So if tied for same record,  Total points is the tie breaker.

[Nomad99 699]

2 hours ago, scottybo said:

I’m up 1.68 pts going into tonight’s game with bills d. Only way I lose is with negative points.

Options

- Bench D and secure win (need to confirm league rules)

- pick up Vikings off waivers. Technically available because havent played this week yet.  (drop bills d), Vikings play det next week though 

- play bills d vs jets ( I’ve got lucky with some wins this year so behind in total points)

thoughts?

 

Even if league allows it, benching to win is a douche move. Buffalo isn't going to get you negative points vs Jets.....man up.

[TBayXXXVII 2,481]

20 minutes ago, scottybo said:

Total points impacts playoff seeding.   So if tied for same record,  Total points is the tie breaker.

Then I'd keep them in there.  There's a significantly high chance that the Bills defense at worst, gets only 0 points, so I think your win is safe.  I'd take every point I can get if total points matter... you never know.

[jbycho 580]

31 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

Even if league allows it, benching to win is a douche move. Buffalo isn't going to get you negative points vs Jets.....man up.

Why would it be a "douche move" to play by the rules in order to win? 

 

[polecatt 474]

If it's not against the league rules, I guess you can.

However, in my league it's specifically against the league rules and would result in a forfeit.

That said, I don't think they will get a negative score. The Jets are a mess and will make at least a couple of blunders to save you even if the Bills D isn't great

[nobody 2,557]

I'd pick up the Vikings defense.  They're the top scoring defense in my league.

[scottybo 1]

Going to leave them in...Since playoff seeding can come down to total points (if end year with same record).

[Law 241]

Only up 1.68, does the thought of stat corrections come into play as well? 

IF you didn't play the DEF and then a stat correction erased 2 points, that would be a bad way to lose!

 

[Nomad99 699]

5 hours ago, jbycho said:

Why would it be a "douche move" to play by the rules in order to win? 

 

Because it goes against the intent of sportsmanship. It's one thing to have an empty spot because you don't want to drop a player you want to keep & don't have bench space for a pick-up.....to intentionally leave a spot open to avoid negative points when you have a player to fill that position, is, in my opinion, poor sportsmanship. The league rule isn't there for that intent....to use it that way is douchey. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,481]

12 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

Because it goes against the intent of sportsmanship. It's one thing to have an empty spot because you don't want to drop a player you want to keep & don't have bench space for a pick-up.....to intentionally leave a spot open to avoid negative points when you have a player to fill that position, is, in my opinion, poor sportsmanship. The league rule isn't there for that intent....to use it that way is douchey. 

I think what you put is the exact opposite of sportsmanship.  Herm Edwards said it perfectly, "You play to win the game".  If changing your lineup to ensure your lead and guarantee your win, that's playing to win the game, which is the objective in fantasy football... score the most points.  Purposefully starting a player who's either out or on a bye because you don't want to drop someone is douchey because you're playing a man (or two), down on purpose and willing to accept a loss.  That's a lack of integrity to the league.  You're willing to hand over a win to someone at the expense of other teams.  THAT's unsportsmanlike.

[jbycho 580]

56 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

Because it goes against the intent of sportsmanship. It's one thing to have an empty spot because you don't want to drop a player you want to keep & don't have bench space for a pick-up.....to intentionally leave a spot open to avoid negative points when you have a player to fill that position, is, in my opinion, poor sportsmanship. The league rule isn't there for that intent....to use it that way is douchey. 

I play by the rules of the league in which all teams have to abide by. You can have all the personal standards you can think up, but that doesn't change the rules. 

Do you seriously believe that in the actual  NFL that teams don't look for advantages outside what's in the rule book? So, not breaking the rules but gaining an advantage?

[easilyscan 857]

6 hours ago, nobody said:

I'd pick up the Vikings defense.  They're the top scoring defense in my league.

I'd do the same thing if they were available. Problem is, they have to play the Lions week 7. Vikings D is obviously superior to the Cowboys, but look what the Lions did to them yesterday, on Dallas turf. 

[Ray_T 739]

2 hours ago, Nomad99 said:

Because it goes against the intent of sportsmanship. It's one thing to have an empty spot because you don't want to drop a player you want to keep & don't have bench space for a pick-up.....to intentionally leave a spot open to avoid negative points when you have a player to fill that position, is, in my opinion, poor sportsmanship. The league rule isn't there for that intent....to use it that way is douchey. 

100%.

unless the convention in your league has been that this is ok, its one of those moves that would be looked upon with distaste by your league mates.

I suppose if it was a big money league and you were about to win $1000 + with the win, then yeah, bench your d and take home your $1000 bucks.   but otherwise, its not cool.

I suppose other things would play into it such as are these all friends or work mates?   or just a bunch of people you met online and have a league with?

these are all things to consider.   but in the end, I would probably just play the defense.   I dont think the Jets Offense has been scaring anyone and the Bills D has been above average.

 

[jbycho 580]

50 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

100%.

unless the convention in your league has been that this is ok, its one of those moves that would be looked upon with distaste by your league mates.

I suppose if it was a big money league and you were about to win $1000 + with the win, then yeah, bench your d and take home your $1000 bucks.   but otherwise, its not cool.

I suppose other things would play into it such as are these all friends or work mates?   or just a bunch of people you met online and have a league with?

these are all things to consider.   but in the end, I would probably just play the defense.   I dont think the Jets Offense has been scaring anyone and the Bills D has been above average.

 

It's in the rules. So therefore it's ok. 

[Nomad99 699]

1 hour ago, jbycho said:

It's in the rules. So therefore it's ok. 

It's in the rules that a man can play on a woman's team.......still ok?

[jbycho 580]

Just now, Nomad99 said:

It's in the rules that a man can play on a woman's team.......still ok?

No. Because men are not women. "Women's team". It is literally in the title. 

[jbycho 580]

2 hours ago, Ray_T said:

100%.

unless the convention in your league has been that this is ok, its one of those moves that would be looked upon with distaste by your league mates.

I suppose if it was a big money league and you were about to win $1000 + with the win, then yeah, bench your d and take home your $1000 bucks.   but otherwise, its not cool.

I suppose other things would play into it such as are these all friends or work mates?   or just a bunch of people you met online and have a league with?

these are all things to consider.   but in the end, I would probably just play the defense.   I dont think the Jets Offense has been scaring anyone and the Bills D has been above average.

 

It's very cool if it's by the rules. I mean, that is so obvious it's like frying pan to the face. Who wrote the rules to the league for God's sake if it is overlooked? 

[weepaws 3,152]

1 minute ago, jbycho said:

It's very cool if it's by the rules. I mean, that is so obvious it's like frying pan to the face. Who wrote the rules to the league for God's sake if it is overlooked? 

Ouch, why use God’s name in vain to make your point?  Stop doing that.  

[jbycho 580]

Just now, weepaws said:

Ouch, why use God’s name in vain to make your point?  Stop doing that.  

No. Take care dude. Go get help. 

[weepaws 3,152]

26 minutes ago, jbycho said:

No. Take care dude. Go get help. 

Much better.  

[Nomad99 699]

46 minutes ago, jbycho said:

No. Because men are not women. "Women's team". It is literally in the title. 

Yet it's happening in pro & college sports......it's in the rules.....and by your thought process......it's ok. Rules don't make make it right if used out of context. 

[SaintsInDome2006 375]

Bad sportsmanship IMO.

[jbycho 580]

1 hour ago, Nomad99 said:

Yet it's happening in pro & college sports......it's in the rules.....and by your thought process......it's ok. Rules don't make make it right if used out of context. 

No. If it's in.the rules it's ok. What is the exact  rule that allows men to play in women's sports? Does it say that in the NCAA women's basketball league rules? Help me out with that. Just even link the rule. 

And that is not a fantasy football league where 12 people agree on the rules that they don't have to play a full team in any one week. 

How can you even try to compare the two? 

 

[jbycho 580]

51 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Bad sportsmanship IMO.

So if I'm in a league that agrees to a set of rules between us 12 people, why do we have to abide by your rules? Why the hell should we even care about other people's rules? It's our league, not yours. 

It's like me saying, if you play country music or classical, or rock in your home, you are a bad listener of music. 

[Nomad99 699]

1 hour ago, jbycho said:

No. If it's in.the rules it's ok. What is the exact  rule that allows men to play in women's sports? Does it say that in the NCAA women's basketball league rules? Help me out with that. Just even link the rule. 

And that is not a fantasy football league where 12 people agree on the rules that they don't have to play a full team in any one week. 

How can you even try to compare the two? 

 

The only reason you've gone on so long with this is that you feel you have to justify the action. If you need to justify it so badly......you know it's sketchy.

[jbycho 580]

11 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

The only reason you've gone on so long with this is that you feel you have to justify the action. If you need to justify it so badly......you know it's sketchy.

I justify the action because it's in the rules. Because you don't like that, it really doesn't matter in their league now does it?

If you get arrested for something stupid, and the local police say it's justified but it wasn't against the law, are you fighting the arrest or just accepting it?

Oh never mind. You will never get it. I would sit the defense because it's a win if I do vs. taking the chance to lose. And it would be a legal move in my league if we had that rule. Which every person in the league would have the same rules applied to their decisions. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006 375]

2 hours ago, jbycho said:

So if I'm in a league that agrees to a set of rules between us 12 people, why do we have to abide by your rules? Why the hell should we even care about other people's rules? It's our league, not yours. 

It's like me saying, if you play country music or classical, or rock in your home, you are a bad listener of music. 

I did say ‘IMO’. He obviously asked the question because he wasn’t sure & was interested in opinions. 

[jbycho 580]

25 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I did say ‘IMO’. He obviously asked the question because he wasn’t sure & was interested in opinions. 

So he wasn't sure of the league rules and you gave advice based on that? 

That's kind of irresponsible. 

In my take of the situation, he was saying the league rules allowed not playing a defense if the team doesn't want to. 

[SaintsInDome2006 375]

6 hours ago, jbycho said:

So he wasn't sure of the league rules and you gave advice based on that? 

That's kind of irresponsible. 

In my take of the situation, he was saying the league rules allowed not playing a defense if the team doesn't want to. 

He was clear of the league rules. If he wants to discuss it he can ask me. Have a good one.

[GobbleDog 976]

18 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Bad sportsmanship IMO.

Agreed.

I can pick up as many free-agents as I want for $1 a pop. If my competitor desperately needs a Qb that week... I could theoretically pick up and drop the remaining Qbs and they'd all be on waivers til the following week.  Perfectly legal, but about as douchery as possible.

[Ray_T 739]

2 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

Agreed.

I can pick up as many free-agents as I want for $1 a pop. If my competitor desperately needs a Qb that week... I could theoretically pick up and drop the remaining Qbs and they'd all be on waivers til the following week.  Perfectly legal, but about as douchery as possible.

again true.

its all about perspective I guess.

its not illegal to cheat on your wife either.   but if you do I'd say its a pretty good chance that she will leave you and you will get a divorce.

I think its kind of one of those type of deals.

 

maybe this is a bit of an over the top example.   but I think I made my point.

though the whole picking up and dropping all QB is (in my opinion) a higher level of douchery than this is.    but this one is still treading close to that line.

but once again, if its already been done in your league, its probably one of those things that is accepted and ok.   but if its not been done, you may expect some snarky comments from league mates (or this weeks opponent)   if that happens, at least you will now know why.

[weepaws 3,152]

It just wouldn’t bother me if I’m the owner of the other ff team,  but it does show why in both my leagues we value total points more than hth. 

[nobody 2,557]

Churning the wire is usually prevented in that a player must be on a roster for a day before they revert to waivers after being dropped.

If I didn't have that rule in place and someone churned the wire, I wouldn't invite that manager back to the league.  I wouldn't care if someone wanted to take a 0 in a spot in order to secure a win.

[scottybo 1]

I played BIlls D and won by 11 points.  

[polecatt 474]

On 10/14/2024 at 5:19 PM, easilyscan said:

I'd do the same thing if they were available. Problem is, they have to play the Lions week 7. Vikings D is obviously superior to the Cowboys, but look what the Lions did to them yesterday, on Dallas turf. 

The difference though, the Vikings don't have the NFL version of Joe Biden signing their checks

[Ray_T 739]

3 hours ago, nobody said:

Churning the wire is usually prevented in that a player must be on a roster for a day before they revert to waivers after being dropped.

If I didn't have that rule in place and someone churned the wire, I wouldn't invite that manager back to the league.  I wouldn't care if someone wanted to take a 0 in a spot in order to secure a win.

thats my point.  churning the wire is like going out of your way to screw others.

not starting a player is a far less serious offense as far as the fair play thing goes.    I know the word douche was used but thats more applicable to the guy who churns the roster to keep others from picking someone up.

this falls more under the shady category.   most people will probably accept it even if they dont like it all that much.

[easilyscan 857]

2 hours ago, polecatt said:

The difference though, the Vikings don't have the NFL version of Joe Biden signing their checks

Would Biden even be able to sign a check at this point ?