Rudy ordered to give penthouse to Georgia election workers

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As someone that is very familiar with Fulton county, GA I can assure you there was/is election fraud.  

[Herbivore 1,134]

11 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

That was Hitler's lawyer, so yeah bad comp.

pretty sure it was a joke about Trump being compared to Hitler

[SaintsInDome2006 441]

7 hours ago, Herbivore said:

pretty sure it was a joke about Trump being compared to Hitler

Yes, I detected the subtle humor.

[jonmx 2,429]

19 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

Sorry, I don't follow politics the way a lot of people around here do 24/7, especially not what former mayors are doing...   What did Rudy do that warrants $150 million in damages?

He called people cheating on elections cheaters.   

[MDC 7,426]

21 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

Sorry, I don't follow politics the way a lot of people around here do 24/7, especially not what former mayors are doing...   What did Rudy do that warrants $150 million in damages?

Rudy falsely claimed that two GA election workers committed election fraud. He said they brought in suitcases of ballots and counted ballots twice etc. Rudy named the election workers personally and they received death threats and harassment.

Rudy admitted in court that he made the claims up but argued, unsuccessfully, that it was protected speech.

HTH

[MDC 7,426]

1 hour ago, jonmx said:

He called people cheating on elections cheaters.   

ATLANTA (AP) — Rudy Giuliani has concededthat he made public comments falsely claiming two Georgia election workers committed ballot fraud during the 2020 presidential race but is arguing that the statements were protected by the First Amendment. 

That assertion by Giuliani, who as part of Donald Trump’s legal team tried to overturn results in battleground states, came in a filing Tuesday in a lawsuit by Ruby Freeman and Wandrea “Shaye” Moss. Their lawsuit from December 2021 accused the former New York City mayor of defaming them by falsely stating that they had engaged in fraud while counting ballots at State Farm Arena in Atlanta. 

The lawsuit says Giuliani repeatedly pushed debunked claims that Freeman and Moss — mother and daughter — pulled out suitcases of illegal ballots and committed other acts of fraud to try to alter the outcome of the race.

Though Giuliani is not disputing that the statements were false, he does not concede that they caused any damage to Freeman or Moss. That distinction is important because plaintiffs in a defamation case must prove not only that a statement made about them was false but that it also resulted in actual damage.
 

Link

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Ha. People think there isn’t voter fraud in shitholes. Ever wonder why a place remains a shithole for so long yet the same  people keep getting elected in said shitholes? Has to make you wonder at least. 

[WhiteWonder 2,738]

49 minutes ago, MDC said:

Rudy falsely claimed that two GA election workers committed election fraud. He said they brought in suitcases of ballots and counted ballots twice etc. Rudy named the election workers personally and they received death threats and harassment.

Rudy admitted in court that he made the claims up but argued, unsuccessfully, that it was protected speech.

HTH

Thanks.  I was more interested in hearing why that would be a $150 million dollar legal offense,  but I appreciate the info. 

Not that I agree or disagree although I guess it does seem extremely punitive, as someone mentioned earlier.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Bullshitt but it’s Karma for 00336

[WhiteWonder 2,738]

49 minutes ago, MDC said:

ATLANTA (AP) — Rudy Giuliani has concededthat he made public comments falsely claiming two Georgia election workers committed ballot fraud during the 2020 presidential race but is arguing that the statements were protected by the First Amendment. 

That assertion by Giuliani, who as part of Donald Trump’s legal team tried to overturn results in battleground states, came in a filing Tuesday in a lawsuit by Ruby Freeman and Wandrea “Shaye” Moss. Their lawsuit from December 2021 accused the former New York City mayor of defaming them by falsely stating that they had engaged in fraud while counting ballots at State Farm Arena in Atlanta. 

The lawsuit says Giuliani repeatedly pushed debunked claims that Freeman and Moss — mother and daughter — pulled out suitcases of illegal ballots and committed other acts of fraud to try to alter the outcome of the race.

Though Giuliani is not disputing that the statements were false, he does not concede that they caused any damage to Freeman or Moss. That distinction is important because plaintiffs in a defamation case must prove not only that a statement made about them was false but that it also resulted in actual damage.
 

Link

 

yeah so,  they filed the lawsuit.. as opposed to a larger agency or group that they worked for.  I am someone who believes we live in a very litigious society so I am always skeptical of true motivations in a lawsuit, how much damage was actually caused, etc. 

I would say his freedom of speech argument goes out the window once he admits (or doesn't dispute) his statements were false and thus defamatory.  But if he did dispute it, even if most people believe they are false statements, he is certainly entitled to an opinion and his freedom of speech, no?

[MDC 7,426]

32 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Thanks.  I was more interested in hearing why that would be a $150 million dollar legal offense,  but I appreciate the info. 

Not that I agree or disagree although I guess it does seem extremely punitive, as someone mentioned earlier.

I don’t know what kind of math goes into it, but I’m assuming Rudy’s celebrity was part of the calculation. Defendants said they received death threats, people posting their addresses online, folks showing up to their work and homes etc. They both had to move. 

I don’t know that $150m is the right figure but I’d expect a judgment in the many millions, given his deep pockets and celebrity. 

[MDC 7,426]

6 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

yeah so,  they filed the lawsuit.. as opposed to a larger agency or group that they worked for.  I am someone who believes we live in a very litigious society so I am always skeptical of true motivations in a lawsuit, how much damage was actually caused, etc. 

I would say his freedom of speech argument goes out the window once he admits (or doesn't dispute) his statements were false and thus defamatory.  But if he did dispute it, even if most people believe they are false statements, he is certainly entitled to an opinion and his freedom of speech, no?

I’m not a fake GC lawyer, but defamation laws balance Rudy’s right to free speech vs their right to protect their reputations. They proved that his claims were knowingly false and harmful. Seems like a pretty open and shut case.

[WhiteWonder 2,738]

17 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’m not a fake GC lawyer, but defamation laws balance Rudy’s right to free speech vs their right to protect their reputations. They proved that his claims were knowingly false and harmful. Seems like a pretty open and shut case.

I am hypothetically saying he'd be entitled to his freedom of speech. And they are certainly entitled to file a lawsuit if they feel they suffered defamation damages.  It's not really an open and shut case since they have to prove they suffered actual damage and how much they should be compensated for it. 

After reading the article you linked and the statements by the plaintiffs, I seriously question how much of that is embellished whenever I see people saying "they don't feel safe anywhere they go" I tend to roll my eyes. It also seems weird that they were presenting their case to the Capitol riot committee?  Not sure why that was.   

Also sounds like they were accusing him of destroying evidence but that was proven false. 

 

either way im not a Rudy Guiliani fan, I just found this thread and this topic to be interesting. 

[Voltaire 5,316]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

ATLANTA (AP) — Rudy Giuliani has conceded

This is why I'm also a fake astronaut rather than a fake lawyer: because I can't understand WTF he's saying when I read that.

I happen to know this alleged 'election fraud' video, as it's the most focking famous surveillance video from that election cycle. Fulton County, Georgia was the site of a "water main break" where election officials said it was impossible to count the votes and sent everybody home for the night. Then, with the room empty, they pulled suitcases out from under the tablecloths and started the vote counting process up again with no monitors around.

Counting votes without election observers present certainly looked shady as fock times 1000. And it wasn't just in Atlanta that this happened, time after time in big cities in swing states across the country, election workers appeared to weaponize COVID protocols to block observers from doing their jobs. In Detroit also, the vote counting was paused until observers were chased out of the room. Not satisfied, the staff went put further by putting up cardboard up to cover the windows, before restarting the counting process again. 

Anyway, I can't make heads or tails of this legal mumbo jumbo. Is he "conceding" what happened there was on the up-and-up and he was wrong to accuse them of cheating in the election?  Or is he just conceding that by accusing them of cheating that he'd opened them up to threats of physical violence?  Its only two pages, if he's conceding that he wrongly accused them of election fraud, can somebody point out the relevant line or two. I get that he accused them of election fraud, as I did the same thing after watching what seemed like a damning video of them caught cheating red-handed.

 

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3 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I am hypothetically saying he'd be entitled to his freedom of speech. And they are certainly entitled to file a lawsuit if they feel they suffered defamation damages.  It's not really an open and shut case since they have to prove they suffered actual damage and how much they should be compensated for it. 

After reading the article you linked and the statements by the plaintiffs, I seriously question how much of that is embellished whenever I see people saying "they don't feel safe anywhere they go" I tend to roll my eyes. It also seems weird that they were presenting their case to the Capitol riot committee?  Not sure why that was.   

Also sounds like they were accusing him of destroying evidence but that was proven false. 

 

either way im not a Rudy Guiliani fan, I just found this thread and this topic to be interesting. 

I’m not going to root around for it, but I’m assuming they did. Rudy himself admitted that his claims were false. I don’t find it implausible at all that people showed up to their homes and places they worked to harass them. They claimed that MAGAs posted their home and work addresses online. Presumably they proved it since the judge ruled in their favor.

I can’t say whether the $ figure is punitive, maybe it gets reduced on appeal. Just saying, I’d expect to get many millions of dollars if a well known public figure knowingly lied about me and I had to endure death threats and harassment as a result. 

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8 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

This is why I'm also a fake astronaut rather than a fake lawyer: because I can't understand WTF he's saying when I read that.

I happen to know this alleged 'election fraud' video, as it's the most focking famous surveillance video from that election cycle. Fulton County, Georgia was the site of a "water main break" where election officials said it was impossible to count the votes and sent everybody home for the night. Then, with the room empty, they pulled suitcases out from under the tablecloths and started the vote counting process up again with no monitors around.

Counting votes without election observers present certainly looked shady as fock times 1000. And it wasn't just in Atlanta that this happened, time after time in big cities in swing states across the country, election workers appeared to weaponize COVID protocols to block observers from doing their jobs. In Detroit also, the vote counting was paused until observers were chased out of the room. Not satisfied, the staff went put further by putting up cardboard up to cover the windows, before restarting the counting process again. 

Anyway, I can't make heads or tails of this legal mumbo jumbo. Is he "conceding" what happened there was on the up-and-up and he was wrong to accuse them of cheating in the election?  Or is he just conceding that by accusing them of cheating that he'd opened them up to threats of physical violence?  It’s only two pages, if he's conceding that he wrongly accused them of election fraud, can somebody point out the relevant line or two. I get that he accused them of election fraud, as I did the same thing after watching what seemed like a damning video of them caught cheating red-handed.

 

Rudy conceded that the statements he made about them were false. Here’s a sub-link to his statement from the article I posted: Link

Rudy’s lawyers tried to argue that his false claims were free speech and that the litigants weren’t hurt by what he said. 

Obviously that didn’t work out for him.

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On 10/25/2024 at 2:29 PM, WhiteWonder said:

Sorry, I don't follow politics the way a lot of people around here do 24/7, especially not what former mayors are doing...   What did Rudy do that warrants $150 million in damages?

He did up to democrats. 

I find it hard to believe anyone cares about this. 

[Voltaire 5,316]

3 hours ago, MDC said:

Rudy conceded that the statements he made about them were false. Here’s a sub-link to his statement from the article I posted: Link

Rudy’s lawyers tried to argue that his false claims were free speech and that the litigants weren’t hurt by what he said. 

Obviously that didn’t work out for him.

That's what I linked to, from your original link and I still can't read any of that mumbo jumbo. But they're all numbered and thankfully its only two pages. I need some handholding here. Which combination of 50 cent words in that mess expresses that he was wrong about accusing the election workers of voter fraud and I'll try really hard to piece it all together without inducing a self-inflicting headache?

It's far easier to comprehend reading any paragraph of John Milton than two sentences that crap.

[MDC 7,426]

7 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

That's what I linked to, from your original link and I still can't read any of that mumbo jumbo. But they're all numbered and thankfully its only two pages. I need some handholding here. Which combination of 50 cent words in that mess expresses that he was wrong about accusing the election workers of voter fraud and I'll try really hard to piece it all together without inducing a self-inflicting headache?

It's far easier to comprehend reading any paragraph of John Milton than two sentences that crap.

I’m not a lawyer and I’m not going to play one. It’s been widely reported that his admitted to making the stories up and his lawyer’s defense was that his lies were protected free speech and didn’t harm the litigants. He lost that argument. 

Here’s another Link

I’m not fluent in legaleeze so I won’t be much help with hand holding. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Sat in his seats at a Yankee/ Red Sox game. 

[SaintsInDome2006 441]

4 hours ago, Voltaire said:

This is why I'm also a fake astronaut rather than a fake lawyer: because I can't understand WTF he's saying when I read that.

It was July of 2023.Giuliani kept refusing to respond to discovery - requests & demands for information & documents- after repeated violations of deadlines & court orders. And rather than comply with that he fell on his sword, admitted effectively that the election workers’ claims were true & gave up all defense in his case. Saving whatever was in that data & detail was worth giving up everything in his whole life. Make of that what you will.

[Mike Honcho 5,281]

On 10/26/2024 at 1:08 PM, Voltaire said:

This is why I'm also a fake astronaut rather than a fake lawyer: because I can't understand WTF he's saying when I read that.

I happen to know this alleged 'election fraud' video, as it's the most focking famous surveillance video from that election cycle. Fulton County, Georgia was the site of a "water main break" where election officials said it was impossible to count the votes and sent everybody home for the night. Then, with the room empty, they pulled suitcases out from under the tablecloths and started the vote counting process up again with no monitors around.

Counting votes without election observers present certainly looked shady as fock times 1000. And it wasn't just in Atlanta that this happened, time after time in big cities in swing states across the country, election workers appeared to weaponize COVID protocols to block observers from doing their jobs. In Detroit also, the vote counting was paused until observers were chased out of the room. Not satisfied, the staff went put further by putting up cardboard up to cover the windows, before restarting the counting process again. 

Anyway, I can't make heads or tails of this legal mumbo jumbo. Is he "conceding" what happened there was on the up-and-up and he was wrong to accuse them of cheating in the election?  Or is he just conceding that by accusing them of cheating that he'd opened them up to threats of physical violence?  Its only two pages, if he's conceding that he wrongly accused them of election fraud, can somebody point out the relevant line or two. I get that he accused them of election fraud, as I did the same thing after watching what seemed like a damning video of them caught cheating red-handed.

 

 

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Water main break:

CLAIM: On election night in 2020, a burst water pipe at a ballot processing site in Georgia’s Fulton County allowed workers to steal the election from former President Donald Trump.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. A water leak briefly delayed ballot processing in Atlanta’s State Farm Arena early that morning

 

That happened hours before your other claim "sent everybody home for the night. Then, with the room empty, they pulled suitcases out from under the tablecloths and started the vote counting process up again with no monitors around."

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Investigation of suitcases of ballots

Poll workers and partisan observers were told to leave Atlanta’s State Farm Arena on election night, but four election workers stayed behind, pulled suitcases full of ballots out from under a table, and scanned them after hours without any supervision.

THE FACTS: The video doesn’t show evidence of fraud, much less the “SMOKING GUN” evidence that Trump’s legal team claims on social media.

No one told observers they had to leave, and both an independent monitor and an investigator oversaw the vote count, according to state and county officials. Confusion arose when election workers thought they were done for the night, but then were instructed to continue scanning ballots. But investigators who reviewed the entire surveillance tape confirmed it showed “normal ballot processing,” according to Gabriel Sterling, a top official in the secretary of state’s office.

The video, which shows clips of surveillance footage from a room where ballots were counted, began gaining traction online on Thursday after volunteer Trump attorney Jackie Pick presented it for state senators during a hearing at the state Capitol.

Pick claimed it showed a staff member telling partisan observers to leave the facility for the night about 10:30 p.m. After observers were “cleared out,” she said, four election workers stayed behind, pulled suitcases of ballots out from underneath a table, and counted them for two hours with no witnesses present.

Fulton County Elections Director Richard Barron refuted those claims on Friday, saying in a public meeting that no observers were ever told to leave the facility.

According to Barron, staff members who had been opening and flattening ballots for scanning started leaving the facility as their duties concluded.

Other election workers started to pack up, Sterling told The Associated Press in an interview. They put prepared ballots back in boxes and away under a table “to close out for the night.” Members of the media and Republican observers began to leave the building too.

Then, the supervisor onsite got a call from Barron, who instructed the team to continue scanning the ballots that had already been prepared. They pulled the same boxes of ballots back out, and resumed scanning, Sterling said.

“These aren’t magical ballots,” Sterling told the AP. “They didn’t show up out of some other room.”

Georgia law § 21-2-408 permits observers to stay in the room the whole time, but doesn’t require it for counting to take place.

After a short period when observers weren’t present, an independent state election board monitor arrived to oversee the scanning at 11:52 p.m., Barron said. A state investigator arrived at 12:15 a.m. Both individuals remained at the facility until the count concluded for the night, he said.

The Georgia secretary of state’s office said it was aware of the late-night counting, and confirmed that both its investigator and an independent monitor observed scanning “until it was halted for the night.”

 

 

 

 

I hope that clears things up for you.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Update? lol.

[thegeneral 3,214]

Poor Rudy.

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

9 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Poor Rudy.

Rudy Giuliani reaches settlement deal to end $146 million defamation case

[thegeneral 3,214]

2 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Rudy Giuliani reaches settlement deal to end $146 million defamation case

Pay up shithead!

[Mike Honcho 5,281]

12 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Poor Rudy.

Literally. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

13 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Literally. 

Guy went from being “America’s Mayor” and front runner to be Prez to broken crackpot being run out in front of cameras to puppet conspiracy theories. Pretty tragic.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

His walk up music at any event moving forward should be Georgia On My Mind.

[MDC 7,426]

Debarred, lost millions, and reputation in tatters … winning!  

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

Debarred, lost millions, and reputation in tatters … winning!  

Dude needs some tiger's blood.

[thegeneral 3,214]

Once the hair dye was running down the head on TV it was curtains for Rudy. Donald is the only one in the circle whose makeup can look like a clown. Looking bad on TV is the redline you cannot cross

[RLLD 4,230]

Fine by me.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Went from 146 million to two. lol. 

[Voltaire 5,316]

On 10/26/2024 at 12:19 PM, MDC said:

Rudy conceded that the statements he made about them were false. Here’s a sub-link to his statement from the article I posted: Link

Rudy’s lawyers tried to argue that his false claims were free speech and that the litigants weren’t hurt by what he said. 

Obviously that didn’t work out for him.

I read that many times back when you first posted and and a few more times just now and I don't understand a focking thing I'm reading.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

146 million! lol. 

[Voltaire 5,316]

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Giuliani said in a statement posted on social media and read to reporters by his lawyer that the settlement satisfies the judgment against him but “does not involve an admission of liability or wrongdoing."

That quote from this link Giuliani settles legal fight with former Georgia election workers and agrees to stop defaming them (msn.com) answers my concerns all along and shows his position has been consistently misreported. At no point has Guiliani conceded he'd done anything wrong. We're being told that video of the workers pulling the ballots out of the suitcases under the tablecloth and counting them with nobody around were actually legally cast ballots.

Maybe so, the fock do I know. Everybody is claiming they were. I don't know how trustworthy that whole process was and it will always have a stench of illegitimacy to me. Whatever.

I do know it looked shady as all hell times a thousand and warranted a full investigation. Guiliani deserves credit for triggering that investigation. I don't rightly know if he stepped over the line to trigger that either and seriously doubt that he did anything wrong. Even if he did, the original fine was insane. At this point he just wanted the matter settled.

[Mike Honcho 5,281]

On 1/17/2025 at 12:23 PM, Hardcore troubadour said:

Went from 146 million to two. lol. 

You must have great sources, since the settlement is confidential, unless of course you just made up the number and are lying.    

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

11 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

You must have great sources, since the settlement is confidential, unless of course you just made up the number and are lying.    

Maybe. I read it somewhere. But you could be right. But it aint 146 million.  Seems like they got a not so apologetic apology and a few bucks. Rudy even got to keep his rings. Lol. He’s gonna be just fine. Let us know when the real estate passes hands. Can’t keep that confidential. lol 

[Mike Honcho 5,281]

4 hours ago, Voltaire said:

That quote from this link Giuliani settles legal fight with former Georgia election workers and agrees to stop defaming them (msn.com) answers my concerns all along and shows his position has been consistently misreported. At no point has Guiliani conceded he'd done anything wrong. We're being told that video of the workers pulling the ballots out of the suitcases under the tablecloth and counting them with nobody around were actually legally cast ballots.

Maybe so, the fock do I know. Everybody is claiming they were. I don't know how trustworthy that whole process was and it will always have a stench of illegitimacy to me. Whatever.

I do know it looked shady as all hell times a thousand and warranted a full investigation. Guiliani deserves credit for triggering that investigation. I don't rightly know if he stepped over the line to trigger that either and seriously doubt that he did anything wrong. Even if he did, the original fine was insane. At this point he just wanted the matter settled.

A jury convicted him of wrong-doing. If he had evidence that the there those ballots were illegitimate, he probably should have brought up then.  The ballots in Georgia were recounted not once or twice, but three times, so one, they were legal ballots and they counted them right. 

And to your point hat nobody was around, I've posted multiple times to you that election officials were around. At this point, after 4 years you are willfully denying the truth.

The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command