So no talks about voter fraud?

[HotRod 70]

I'm just glad that the republicans figured out how to stop all those fraudulent votes.  81 million my butt.

[TimHauck 2,724]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Wut?  You are all over the place here  Hoax?  Your estimate?

I agree with waiting until all the votes come in before issuing indictments but... what does that have to do with the cell phone data?

It’s 100% false that Harris had 16 million less votes than Biden, even outside of the votes not counted yet.  When the rest of the votes are counted it will be significantly less.  The fact that he’s dumb enough to believe that shows that he’s not smart enough to be analyzing cell phone data of every phone in the country.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,314]

some new states might be considered in play

New Mexico, what was thought to be a strong blue, won by 50,000 votes only (people laughed at Trump even stepping in New Mexico)

New Hampshire 23000

Virginia was close all night but went the way it was supposed to eventually, but much closer than expected

Illinois also moved a lot closer % wise than over the last 20 years

[TimHauck 2,724]

4 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

@peenie

if you think voter fraud does not exist you are being delusional. The fact I could walk into my place to vote, show no ID at all and simply tell them my name and address and cast my ballot is reason enough to know it exists. 
 

you are talking about a different form of it.. but it exists nonetheless. 
 

Should I be surprised you walked yourself right into this one? What happened to the 12 million more votes Biden got in 2020? All those people chose not to vote or voted 3rd party this time?  

They’re not done counting.  Will probably be more like 7 million.  Many of those switched to Trump.

5 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

why is california still at like 55%

anyone who does the voting should AUTOMATICALLY BE FIRED 

Don’t really disagree

[jerryskids 6,719]

Also @TimHauck, much was made about the huge improvement from the Repubs in their registration and "get out the vote" efforts.  So I would expect more votes on the Repub side, anyway.

To me, the interesting thing in the end will be the vote differences per state, or maybe even districts within states.  I wouldn't expect much of a vote dump in, say, California which the Dems will definitely win.  But if there are statistically significant reduction this time around only in swing states, and/or within specific districts in those states... then I'm interested.   

[Strike 5,412]

15 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

why is california still at like 55%

anyone who does the voting should AUTOMATICALLY BE FIRED 

In CA your vote doesnt have to be in by election day.  It just has to be.postmarked.  it can show up up to 10 days after election day.  So it may take a little while for all the ballots to even be in possession of the state.

[WhiteWonder 2,721]

21 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Also @TimHauck, much was made about the huge improvement from the Repubs in their registration and "get out the vote" efforts.  So I would expect more votes on the Repub side, anyway.

To me, the interesting thing in the end will be the vote differences per state, or maybe even districts within states.  I wouldn't expect much of a vote dump in, say, California which the Dems will definitely win.  But if there are statistically significant reduction this time around only in swing states, and/or within specific districts in those states... then I'm interested.   

[peenie 1,912]

55 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

@peenie

if you think voter fraud does not exist you are being delusional. The fact I could walk into my place to vote, show no ID at all and simply tell them my name and address and cast my ballot is reason enough to know it exists. 
 

you are talking about a different form of it.. but it exists nonetheless. 
 

Should I be surprised you walked yourself right into this one? What happened to the 12 million more votes Biden got in 2020? All those people chose not to vote or voted 3rd party this time?  

At my voter location I had to show my ID. Perhaps you live in a small town and there is more trust, besides no one could return and vote as you again. 
Apparently, 14 million voters stayed home. People just didn't vote. This was a meme or a trend I saw earlier that was telling people their vote didn't really matter because the electoral college makes the decision. I think I saw Ice Cube or some rapper saying not to bother to vote. Sadly, some people listened. My niece said she wasn't going to vote and I really gave her an earful. Someone I know said the state was going to remain blue despite their vote so they didn't bother to vote. 

[WhiteWonder 2,721]

15 minutes ago, peenie said:

At my voter location I had to show my ID. Perhaps you live in a small town and there is more trust, besides no one could return and vote as you again. 
Apparently, 14 million voters stayed home. People just didn't vote. This was a meme or a trend I saw earlier that was telling people their vote didn't really matter because the electoral college makes the decision. I think I saw Ice Cube or some rapper saying not to bother to vote. Sadly, some people listened. My niece said she wasn't going to vote and I really gave her an earful. Someone I know said the state was going to remain blue despite their vote so they didn't bother to vote. 

I live in a NJ suburb not too far outside Newark. Large town, mostly liberal.  I have friends who live in completely different counties and they also did not have to show any ID. 

2016 I chose not to vote, 2020 I did a mail in ballot since they were all sent out due to covid. I was genuinely shocked that I was not asked for a form of ID. I had my DL ready to present.

I think this is a major issue. The part of your post that I bolded is an issue. If someone decides to use my name and address to early vote as me, for their preferred candidate, then what happens when I show up to vote on election day? I could not make it to early voting. I voted around 5pm on the 5th. 

I'll give you a side story for this. My friend lives a town over from me. About 2 weeks before the election, he was in our group chat telling us that two illegal immigrants were going through his recycling. He went outside to tell them to leave and they responded "no english" and kept going through his stuff right in front of him. So he got up in their face and shooed them away and called the cops. They left but they took boxes with he and his wifes name and address on them. .... my initial reaction was to tell him that before illegal immigration was a hot button issue, people were worried about other people going through their trash or recycling because of simple identity theft and maybe you shouldn't put out cardboard boxes with the labels still on them .....   when I had my voting experience, I couldn't help but think back to that and realize that, at least in my area of NJ, anyone who can match up your name and address can vote as you. So hypothetically, those guys going through his recycling could have gone to early voting and used his info to vote Harris  (who would be better for them, as illegals). 

Of course I am not saying that this was their intention.  I am simply pointing out how easy it would be to do.  They already flooded Edison, NJ with immigrants and not long after there was a rash of break ins in neighboring towns. I wouldn't put it past anyone to be coaching them on how to vote as someone else.

[TimHauck 2,724]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Also @TimHauck, much was made about the huge improvement from the Repubs in their registration and "get out the vote" efforts.  So I would expect more votes on the Repub side, anyway.

To me, the interesting thing in the end will be the vote differences per state, or maybe even districts within states.  I wouldn't expect much of a vote dump in, say, California which the Dems will definitely win.  But if there are statistically significant reduction this time around only in swing states, and/or within specific districts in those states... then I'm interested.   

Don’t disagree with this.  Although I still think there will be some dropoff vs 2020 on both sides because it was much easier to vote by mail in 2020 (for example, Trump’s # of votes increased by 18% in 2020 vs 2016).   For Trump though any dropoff vs 2020 may have been offset by any increase in voters or people switching from Biden.

[TimHauck 2,724]

7 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

If someone decides to use my name and address to early vote as me, for their preferred candidate, then what happens when I show up to vote on election day? I could not make it to early voting. I voted around 5pm on the 5th. 

 

In this scenario, don’t you fill out a provisional ballot?  And obviously report it to the police.  I saw a bunch of people claiming this happened on social media but didn’t appear any of the ones I saw actually did anything about it as far as reporting it, which leads me to believe in those scenarios it didn’t actually happen.

[WhiteWonder 2,721]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

In this scenario, don’t you fill out a provisional ballot?  And obviously report it to the police.  I saw a bunch of people claiming this happened on social media but didn’t appear any of the ones I saw actually did anything about it as far as reporting it, which leads me to believe in those scenarios it didn’t actually happen.

Well, obviously it did not happen to me. If it did, I would have asked what can I do? and then followed those steps. 

But let's step back for a second... why should anyone even have to take those steps? Why not just ask for at least 1 form of ID, if not multiple? Christ, you used to have to show a bajillion things at the DMV to renew your DL. In this case we are talking about our country's elections, which everyone wants or should want to be as secure as humanly possible.  you really think people want to have to fill out a provisional ballot and file a police report on the day of the election?  When would their real vote be counted? when would their fake vote be removed?  You're potentially causing a much bigger delay and more issues just because you want to make it as easy and quick as possible for people to vote in order to entice certain demographics to get out to the polls. 

When did NJ, or part of NJ (or possibly other states as well?) stop requiring ID to vote? Who pushed for this? 

[TimHauck 2,724]

9 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Well, obviously it did not happen to me. If it did, I would have asked what can I do? and then followed those steps. 

But let's step back for a second... why should anyone even have to take those steps? Why not just ask for at least 1 form of ID, if not multiple? Christ, you used to have to show a bajillion things at the DMV to renew your DL. In this case we are talking about our country's elections, which everyone wants or should want to be as secure as humanly possible. 

When did NJ, or part of NJ (or possibly other states as well?) stop requiring ID to vote? Who pushed for this? 

I agree ID should be required for in person voting.  But that wouldn’t necessarily apply to mail in ballots, especially in cases where they are proactively sent out like in 2020.  I guess you could argue they shouldn’t have done that, but even you admitted that’s how you voted that year.

[WhiteWonder 2,721]

2 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

you really think people want to have to fill out a provisional ballot and file a police report on the day of the election?  When would their real vote be counted? when would their fake vote be removed?  You're potentially causing a much bigger delay and more issues just because you want to make it as easy and quick as possible for people to vote in order to entice certain demographics to get out to the polls. 

 

 

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I agree ID should be required for in person voting.  But that wouldn’t necessarily apply to mail in ballots, especially in cases where they are proactively sent out like in 2020.  I guess you could argue they shouldn’t have done that, but even you admitted that’s how you voted that year.

 

I had added some stuff to my post you quoted, obviously after you had started your reply.  Interested in your thoughts on that. 

 

For mail in ballots, I am fine with them being a thing. Yes, I voted this way in 2020. I would say that perhaps there need to be a few more measures in place. 

1. I can't remember back to 2020 but was there enough personal info pre-filled on the ballot?  

2. potential water seal, hologram, etc like we have on currency... to indicate this is a real ballot and make it harder to forge? 

3. to combat the idea of ballot dumping, destroying etc.. maybe these drop box locations should need to be only in locations where election workers can be present? Basically like dropping off your ballot at a regular voting location but not having to wait on line to check in, get your ballot, go into the booth, etc. You walk inside the building, hand your sealed ballot to an election worker who checks you off and places your ballot in the box. If you think about it, that's not much different than the current drop box locations. The only extra step is you need to speak to someone when you hand it in. ....  and I would guess they just wouldn't be able to have AS many drop locations. 

[Baker Boy 1,694]

https://babylonbee.com/news/4d-chess-democrats-admit-trump-actually-won-in-2020-and-is-now-unable-to-serve-third-term
 

Democrats Admit Trump Actually Won In 2020 And Is Now Unable To Serve Third Term

[nobody 2,651]

58 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

https://babylonbee.com/news/4d-chess-democrats-admit-trump-actually-won-in-2020-and-is-now-unable-to-serve-third-term
 

Democrats Admit Trump Actually Won In 2020 And Is Now Unable To Serve Third Term

That would be some funny shìt.  Since they're already throwing Biden under the bus, they can say he orchestrated the whole thing.

[shadrap 226]

5 hours ago, TimHauck said:

In this scenario, don’t you fill out a provisional ballot?  And obviously report it to the police.  I saw a bunch of people claiming this happened on social media but didn’t appear any of the ones I saw actually did anything about it as far as reporting it, which leads me to believe in those scenarios it didn’t actually happen.

Happened to my niece in AZ.  She went to vote in person & was informed she already voted so she couldn't vote.  She was told to go to SS office with birth cert. to get it figured out.  She did not vote, but someone else did for her.

This is true.

[TimHauck 2,724]

3 minutes ago, shadrap said:

Happened to my niece in AZ.  She went to vote in person & was informed she already voted so she couldn't vote.  She was told to go to SS office with birth cert. to get it figured out.  She did not vote, but someone else did for her.

This is true.

Well, did she go to the SS office?

[Strike 5,412]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Well, did she go to the SS office?

Jesus fock dude.  You go to vote on election day and they deny you.  Most people haven't allocated their entire day to try to vote, and probably don't have all the documentation required either.  And the whole problem could be solved by simply requiring I.D.  

[shadrap 226]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Well, did she go to the SS office?

You ever been to one?  4 hours wait time unless you made an appointment 2 weeks before.

No.  She is setting an appointment.

[shadrap 226]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

Jesus fock dude.  You go to vote on election day and they deny you.  Most people haven't allocated their entire day to try to vote, and probably don't have all the documentation required either.  And the whole problem could be solved by simply requiring I.D.  

Racist!

[TimHauck 2,724]

13 hours ago, shadrap said:

You ever been to one?  4 hours wait time unless you made an appointment 2 weeks before.

No.  She is setting an appointment.

Did she ask for a provisional ballot?  Pretty sure the law requires they provide one, unless she lives in Idaho or Minnesota apparently

https://ballotpedia.org/State_by_State_Provisional_Ballot_Laws

provisional ballot is cast by a voter whose eligibility to vote cannot be proven at the polls on Election Day. If, after the election, administrators determine that the voter who cast the provisional ballot was eligible to vote, the ballot will be counted as a regular ballot. Federal law requires most states to provide for a provisional balloting process (states that had enacted same-day voter registration processes as of 1993 were exempted from this requirement). As of October 2020, every state except Idaho and Minnesota had established a provisional voting process.

[TimHauck 2,724]

Kamala now over 70 million.  California still about 6.5 million left to count 

[TimHauck 2,724]

Kamala up to 71.8 million, under double digit decline vs Biden.  Trump up a million vs 2020.  California still only about 76% counted

[nobody 2,651]

The red team committed fraud talk is heating up.

[TimHauck 2,724]

22 minutes ago, nobody said:

The red team committed fraud talk is heating up.

Not from anyone legitimate that I’ve seen

[MDC 7,284]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Not from anyone legitimate that I’ve seen

And definitely not from the candidate. 

[Fnord 2,187]

28 minutes ago, nobody said:

The red team committed fraud talk is heating up.

With the same amount of credible evidence as last time. And it's not being reported in the reviled MSM, as opposed to last time, when right wing media ran with it.

[nobody 2,651]

The stalwarts of The Party always ready to defend The Party at a moments notice.  Good job, gentlemen.

[TimHauck 2,724]

1 minute ago, nobody said:

The stalwarts of The Party always ready to defend The Party at a moments notice.  Good job, gentlemen.

No I just don’t like liars like you.

[WhiteWonder 2,721]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Kamala up to 71.8 million, under double digit decline vs Biden.  Trump up a million vs 2020.  California still only about 76% counted

I would hope they wouldn't be stupid enough to not make sure they find enough votes to close that gap to a reasonable number . 

 

 

[nobody 2,651]

Just now, TimHauck said:

No I just don’t like liars like you.

What did I lie about?

There is talk of fraud ramping up.

[TimHauck 2,724]

13 minutes ago, nobody said:

What did I lie about?

There is talk of fraud ramping up.

People are saying

[nobody 2,651]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

People are saying

Yes people generally are the ones who say things.  

[purdygood 343]

19 minutes ago, nobody said:

Yes people generally are the ones who say things.  

But is it "Many people. Many people" ?   Hopefully not Mini people, Midgets are fun but only one at a time.

[peenie 1,912]

On 11/8/2024 at 11:17 AM, WhiteWonder said:

I live in a NJ suburb not too far outside Newark. Large town, mostly liberal.  I have friends who live in completely different counties and they also did not have to show any ID. 

2016 I chose not to vote, 2020 I did a mail in ballot since they were all sent out due to covid. I was genuinely shocked that I was not asked for a form of ID. I had my DL ready to present.

I think this is a major issue. The part of your post that I bolded is an issue. If someone decides to use my name and address to early vote as me, for their preferred candidate, then what happens when I show up to vote on election day? I could not make it to early voting. I voted around 5pm on the 5th. 

I'll give you a side story for this. My friend lives a town over from me. About 2 weeks before the election, he was in our group chat telling us that two illegal immigrants were going through his recycling. He went outside to tell them to leave and they responded "no english" and kept going through his stuff right in front of him. So he got up in their face and shooed them away and called the cops. They left but they took boxes with he and his wifes name and address on them. .... my initial reaction was to tell him that before illegal immigration was a hot button issue, people were worried about other people going through their trash or recycling because of simple identity theft and maybe you shouldn't put out cardboard boxes with the labels still on them .....   when I had my voting experience, I couldn't help but think back to that and realize that, at least in my area of NJ, anyone who can match up your name and address can vote as you. So hypothetically, those guys going through his recycling could have gone to early voting and used his info to vote Harris  (who would be better for them, as illegals). 

Of course I am not saying that this was their intention.  I am simply pointing out how easy it would be to do.  They already flooded Edison, NJ with immigrants and not long after there was a rash of break ins in neighboring towns. I wouldn't put it past anyone to be coaching them on how to vote as someone else.

I was just in NJ, my home state. I went to eat at Tops, have you been? It's crowded but the food was pretty good for a diner. 
NJ is filled with immigrants, I love it. I mean, if you live there, you're probably of immigrant stock, right? The state has a large population of white Italian, Portuguese, Jewish, Polish, Irish, and Latinos. 
I've always had to show my ID. I'd argue that you have white privilege: they trusted you. Ask a black person if they've ever been able to vote without showing their ID, ha! I doubt it. 

[Fnord 2,187]

17 minutes ago, peenie said:

I was just in NJ, my home state. I went to eat at Tops, have you been? It's crowded but the food was pretty good for a diner. 
NJ is filled with immigrants, I love it. I mean, if you live there, you're probably of immigrant stock, right? The state has a large population of white Italian, Portuguese, Jewish, Polish, Irish, and Latinos. 
I've always had to show my ID. I'd argue that you have white privilege: they trusted you. Ask a black person if they've ever been able to vote without showing their ID, ha! I doubt it. 

Well, with a name like White Wonder, you'd assume that he is well aware of the privilege...

[jonmx 2,425]

No one is talking about fraud because most of it was stopped this time.  There was a semi-truck which started to carry boxes into a polling location in Philly, but turned around and left when they saw it was being guarded by Republican pole watchers.  

[WhiteWonder 2,721]

52 minutes ago, peenie said:

I was just in NJ, my home state. I went to eat at Tops, have you been? It's crowded but the food was pretty good for a diner. 
NJ is filled with immigrants, I love it. I mean, if you live there, you're probably of immigrant stock, right? The state has a large population of white Italian, Portuguese, Jewish, Polish, Irish, and Latinos. 
I've always had to show my ID. I'd argue that you have white privilege: they trusted you. Ask a black person if they've ever been able to vote without showing their ID, ha! I doubt it. 

I was born and raised here. I am of "immigrant stock" in the sense that everyone is. We are not talking about legal immigration here. 

White privilege?  gtfo with that tired nonsense. The election worker who checked me in was black. There were black and hispanic people in the school gymnasium where we were voting and none of them were showing any forms of identification. 

My friend who lives in Carteret and is black was also not asked for her ID  (HAH!) . Nor my friends/family in Clark, Red Bank, Roselle etc... 

[WhiteWonder 2,721]

39 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Well, with a name like White Wonder, you'd assume that he is well aware of the privilege...

long time FFT members know the back story behind my name. As a 13 year old kid I thought  'The White Wonder'  was a fun nickname for Wayne Chrebet.  It was racial but not meant to be 'racist'. Then again, those were not the woke times.   If I could edit it to just be Wonder, I would.