Trump picks Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to be his Department of Health and Human Services secretary

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

1 minute ago, jbycho said:

Like I said...

I'm really tired of making sense. And yet he'll still argue with me. 

PESTICIDES and FERTILIZERS aren't a problem I guess. 

[Herbivore 1,134]

9 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Who exactly is "they"? 

Poor people can't afford healthy options, hell, their local supermarkets probably don't offer healthy options. 

Your not that out of touch. You're the only Liberal I can tolerate in here. Let's be honest with each other at least. 

yes they can, maybe not organic or some particular higher end healthy choices. its pretty easy to set up a basic balanced meal, with a meat, veg, and starch. I posted a thread a while ago with my grocery receipt. I think I was more talking about inflation in general in that post, but kind of relevant here. We do still need to address the additives and pesticides in the food we grow. It is definitely more expensive to purchase fast food or processed food. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Absolutely. 

Nonetheless why are we not regulating these cancer causing additives that they're putting in our food? It's time. 

Ever wonder why these chemicals are outlawed in other Countries and not ours? 

So we agree that the government trying to make people eat better food isn’t owned by one side and in fact an effort was made in this regard by Obama and she got roasted.

For this chemical issue in the worst cases I would guess if you go down the line there was various wrangling of food scientists and penny counters to create their use in ways to make food cheaper and tastier at the behest of the board of directors so they could get bigger bonuses. In the best cases they were simply trying to make food cheaper and easier to produce in mass quantities at the behest of their board of directors so they could get bigger bonuses. These corporations lobby politicians to allow this to occur and so it goes.

I find it a bit amusing that the Republican Party is taking up this issue of fighting corporate profits over all else but hey don’t cut off your nose to spite your face an all so I will enjoy watching this play out and of course am for healthier food.

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

2 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

additives and pesticides in the food we grow

To my point. Is a head of broccoli healthy if its spent it's life being grown with fertilizers and pesticides? 

So no, there is no choice besides organic. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

we agree that the government trying to make people eat better food isn’t owned by one side and in fact an effort was made in this regard by Obama and she got roasted.

Nobody is roasting anyone General. Let's do this for everyone! Who cares what RFKs political beliefs are, let's get this food thing figured out. It's good for your kids and mine. 

Michelle Obama wasn't crazy, she was trying. But just telling kids to eat healthy isn't a solution to anything. 

[jbycho 754]

2 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

yes they can, maybe not organic or some particular higher end healthy choices. its pretty easy to set up a basic balanced meal, with a meat, veg, and starch. I posted a thread a while ago with my grocery receipt. I think I was more talking about inflation in general in that post, but kind of relevant here. We do still need to address the additives and pesticides in the food we grow. It is definitely more expensive to purchase fast food or processed food. 

You have to remember that a lot of people who live in major cities don't have cars and are low income earners and don't have a lot of choices in grocery markets. Meat is expensive as hell these days for people unless you like certain gross organs, and veggies prices are up and down and aren't necessarily fresh and free of pesticides. 

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

1 minute ago, jbycho said:

You have to remember that a lot of people who live in major cities don't have cars and are low income earners and don't have a lot of choices in grocery markets.

This isn't hard to comprehend. Why can't they just relent? 

[thegeneral 3,214]

3 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Nobody is roasting anyone General. Let's do this for everyone! Who cares what RFKs political beliefs are, let's get this food thing figured out. It's good for your kids and mine. 

Michelle Obama wasn't crazy, she was trying. But just telling kids to eat healthy isn't a solution to anything. 

Yeah Republicans roasted Obama. Come on man.

As I said I will support making food healthier and will enjoy watching this play out. My expectations are low. 

 

[jbycho 754]

2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

This isn't hard to comprehend. Why can't they just relent? 

In my time I've been into some of those markets in inner cities, it's hard enough to get past the dirt a grime on the walls and floors and worst of all other people in the store. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

4 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

7 minutes ago, jbycho said:

You have to remember that a lot of people who live in major cities don't have cars and are low income earners and don't have a lot of choices in grocery markets.

This isn't hard to comprehend. Why can't they just relent?

Do you two think this is some new issue that is only now being discussed

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

7 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Yeah Republicans roasted Obama. Come on man.

I never roaster her for that, and what's it matter now? Regardless, she really never had a solution. She just said kids need to eat healthier. Well no crap Michelle. 

I'm more concerned with the crap they're allowing in our foods along with pesticides and fertilizers. Just sorting out that alone would make us a much healthier nation. 

I'll be right there with you if RFK Fuks it up, but at least wait till he does so. At least somebody cares enough 

[thegeneral 3,214]

13 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I never roaster for that, and what's it matter now? Regardless, she really never had a solution. She just said kids need to eat healthier. Well no crap Michelle. 

I'm more concerned with the crap they're allowing in our foods along with pesticides and fertilizers. Just sorting out that alone would make us a much healthier nation. 

I'll be right there with you if RFK Fuks it up, but at least wait till he does so. At least somebody cares enough 

Well good for you! Despite your vocal support it was like WW3 for many

She initiated plans that schools were to follow. Crap food was replaced on trays with less processed stuff. Seemed like a good plan to me. Make the little fat focks eat better for at least a meal or two.

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

Something else to consider too: these restrictions, if implemented, are going to raise ALL food prices. There is no way around that. They also involve more regulations and the Trump administration is all about deregulation. 
 

My thought is that even if RFK is approved by the Senate he won’t last long, because his aims are too much in conflict with the overall aims of the Trump team. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

30 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

yes they can, maybe not organic or some particular higher end healthy choices. its pretty easy to set up a basic balanced meal, with a meat, veg, and starch. I posted a thread a while ago with my grocery receipt. I think I was more talking about inflation in general in that post, but kind of relevant here. We do still need to address the additives and pesticides in the food we grow. It is definitely more expensive to purchase fast food or processed food. 

As a poor college student many years ago I would go to the Grocery once a month and buy a ten pound bag of rice and a ten pound bag of red beans along with a three pound bag of whole wheat flour.  I would pick up some carrots, onions and potatoes unless it was farmers market season where I would get those at the farmers market by the bushel.  Also apples, brocolli, tomatos, asperagus and corn, sometimes zucchini.  I would buy a rasher of bacon and if I was feeling flush with money some chicken.  I had plenty to eat.  My cost was extremely minimal.  Eating did take the effort of food preparation.  I could not tear open a bag or a box and I did not have or need a mirowave.  The poor can eat nutritiously and cheaply.  Like the rest of us they choose not to do so for convenience. Food prep sucks for those who are not foodies.

 

(Oh, I did cheat in that I worked at a restaurant and so got five employee meals a week.)  (Also back in the day the government had price supports for dairy and so had warehouses full of cheese and peanut butter and you could get them for the asking.  It sucked as far as quality, but it worked.)

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

35 minutes ago, jbycho said:

You have to remember that a lot of people who live in major cities don't have cars and are low income earners and don't have a lot of choices in grocery markets. Meat is expensive as hell these days for people unless you like certain gross organs, and veggies prices are up and down and aren't necessarily fresh and free of pesticides. 

 

I learned to like gizzards and hearts but will not eat kidneys, liver, or tongue.

[The Phantom's Phantom 254]

54 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

To my point. Is a head of broccoli healthy if its spent it's life being grown with fertilizers and pesticides? 

So no, there is no choice besides organic. 

So now you support organic?  I thought that was a liberal thing?

You know organic costs more right?

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

Some pesticides and many preservatives arose during antiquated shipping and store stocking paradigms.  With new automation and computer routing as exemplified by Amazon and others it seems to me we don't need unrealistic shelf life on products.  Store inventories can be trimmed and more frequent, but smaller shipping can keep food fresh.  Certainly it is time to assess the pradigms of a business model badly in need of updating.

 

Truth in labeling is also needed.  Would most folks let their kids eat Poptarts if their label clearly stated the product is loaded with chemicals and additives contributing to sterility, obesity, heart desease, high blood pressure and the ghey.

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

35 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

She initiated plans that schools were to follow. Crap food was replaced on trays with less processed stuff. Seemed like a good plan to me. Make the little fat focks eat better for at least a meal or two.

Kudos to her but it was a plan, not a solution.

Here's what many people may not understand. The school cafeteria at Beverly Hills elementary is FAR different than the one in rural Allendale South Carolina where parents drive the school busses and work the cafeteria. These kids are lucky if they get a paper bag lunch on any given day. On a good day it's bread, a juice box and an apple. 

That may be hard for you to understand but it's a reality to many, I've seen it. 

[Herbivore 1,134]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

To my point. Is a head of broccoli healthy if its spent it's life being grown with fertilizers and pesticides? 

So no, there is no choice besides organic. 

non organic broccoli is more healthy than processed and fast foods...it is a better choice. it also helps on the obesity side. but, yes, again, getting pesticides and additives out of food is a good plan.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

1 minute ago, Herbivore said:

non organic broccoli is more healthy than processed and fast foods...it is a better choice. it also helps on the obesity side. but, yes, again, getting pesticides and additives out of food is a good plan.

Getting pesticides out of our food would also clean our air, water, and land.

[Herbivore 1,134]

35 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

As a poor college student many years ago I would go to the Grocery once a month and buy a ten pound bag of rice and a ten pound bag of red beans along with a three pound bag of whole wheat flour.  I would pick up some carrots, onions and potatoes unless it was farmers market season where I would get those at the farmers market by the bushel.  Also apples, brocolli, tomatos, asperagus and corn, sometimes zucchini.  I would buy a rasher of bacon and if I was feeling flush with money some chicken.  I had plenty to eat.  My cost was extremely minimal.  Eating did take the effort of food preparation.  I could not tear open a bag or a box and I did not have or need a mirowave.  The poor can eat nutritiously and cheaply.  Like the rest of us they choose not to do so for convenience. Food prep sucks for those who are not foodies.

 

(Oh, I did cheat in that I worked at a restaurant and so got five employee meals a week.)  (Also back in the day the government had price supports for dairy and so had warehouses full of cheese and peanut butter and you could get them for the asking.  It sucked as far as quality, but it worked.)

this is where I am coming from..its quite possible to eat fairly healthy and fairly inexpensively.

[jbycho 754]

28 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I learned to like gizzards and hearts but will not eat kidneys, liver, or tongue.

I don't like any of it. Earlier in life I used to take cheaper cuts of beef, not those mentioned but still cheap tough beef cuts and slice into small bite sized bits and use meat tenderizer on it all in a plastic bag and then let it sit in the fridge for a day. Then cook it up with veggies or cheap sauces on it. 

[jerryskids 6,799]

3 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Exactly- people freaked out over Michelle trying to change school lunches. Hell they still do

I never complained about the idea behind what she did, but I disagreed with the implementation.

3 hours ago, Dizkneelande said:

Oh come on.

Michelle Obama dictated what could be served at school lunch based on an food pyramid that was always more political than scientific.

Kennedy is talking about limiting what chemicals manufacturers can put in your food.

These things are not remotely the same.

This.  Also, I don't blame Michelle for doing what she did, since it's not her job to be the nutritional scientific expert.  But the food pyramid is NOT healthy.

[thegeneral 3,214]

39 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Kudos to her but it was a plan, not a solution.

Here's what many people may not understand. The school cafeteria at Beverly Hills elementary is FAR different than the one in rural Allendale South Carolina where parents drive the school busses and work the cafeteria. These kids are lucky if they get a paper bag lunch on any given day. On a good day it's bread, a juice box and an apple. 

That may be hard for you to understand but it's a reality to many, I've seen it. 

This gets to how realistic these RFK ideas are and is the maddening part of politics. Something as simple as the idea of a kid getting an apple for dessert quickly becomes a larger battle.

As far as funding kids lunches, well I’m guessing Dems aren’t the ones holding that up.

 

[jbycho 754]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

I never complained about the idea behind what she did, but I disagreed with the implementation.

This.  Also, I don't blame Michelle for doing what she did, since it's not her job to be the nutritional scientific expert.  But the food pyramid is NOT healthy.

The food pyramid implies you are doing other things physically, etc. And the person:s health is in a certain condition.

It's a lot like the covid shots. 

[The Phantom's Phantom 254]

39 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Kudos to her but it was a plan, not a solution.

Here's what many people may not understand. The school cafeteria at Beverly Hills elementary is FAR different than the one in rural Allendale South Carolina where parents drive the school busses and work the cafeteria. These kids are lucky if they get a paper bag lunch on any given day. On a good day it's bread, a juice box and an apple. 

That may be hard for you to understand but it's a reality to many, I've seen it. 

And yet Republicans are the ones trying to stop funding of kids lunches.

Organic food, free lunches, you sound like a liberal.

[jbycho 754]

1 hour ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

And yet Republicans are the ones trying to stop funding of kids lunches.

Organic food, free lunches, you sound like a liberal.

I took care of my own kid's lunches.Gave them.the food I wanted.  Why should I be paying for your kids lunches? 

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

5 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Nobody is roasting anyone General. Let's do this for everyone! Who cares what RFKs political beliefs are, let's get this food thing figured out. It's good for your kids and mine. 

Michelle Obama wasn't crazy, she was trying. But just telling kids to eat healthy isn't a solution to anything. 

Our schools had home made meals for decades. When Michelle Obama's school lunch program came out they were forced to start using Sodexo instead. How does the Federal Government have the power to tell us what to feed our children at our local schools? This is odd me to me.

[The Phantom's Phantom 254]

https://nypost.com/2024/11/14/opinion/putting-rfk-jr-in-charge-of-health-breaks-the-first-rule-of-medicine/

In fact, we came out thinking he’s nuts on a lot of fronts.

It's bad when maga loses the NY Post

[Fireballer 2,642]

Food pyramid needs rebuilding.  Less calories from carbs, more from fat.  

[jbycho 754]

10 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

https://nypost.com/2024/11/14/opinion/putting-rfk-jr-in-charge-of-health-breaks-the-first-rule-of-medicine/

In fact, we came out thinking he’s nuts on a lot of fronts.

It's bad when maga loses the NY Post

You can't feed your kid?

[The Phantom's Phantom 254]

He thinks WiFi causes cancer.  You voted for this.

[BrahmaBulls 764]

GutterPedo is back

[jonmx 2,429]

1 hour ago, jbycho said:

You can't feed your kid?

I feel kind of bad for him.  They are about to take away the money he was planning on for cutting off his one-inch peepee and his silcon breasts. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

11 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

But define healthy. Are vegetables grown with pesticides and fertilizers healthy just because they're vegetables or fruits? 

See my point? Just because they're "healthy" doesn't make them healthy. 

Look let me bottom line this for you. When Republicans block all this shet just try not to blame libs. TIA

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/15/health/rfk-big-food-artificial-dyes-trump.html
 

NY Times is just garbage. 

"As you see, the ingredient list for the US and Canadian versions of Fruit Loops are completely identical, except the US product contains formaldehyde, cyanide, and nearly undetectable levels of saxitoxin"

[jonmx 2,429]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

Look let me bottom line this for you. When Republicans block all this shet just try not to blame libs. TIA

Libs are not a thing anymore.   We have bootlickers for the authoritarian establishment and we have red-blooded Americans who love the Constitution.   Having an R or D by one name means nothing.  You are a bootlicker. 

[jonmx 2,429]

5 hours ago, Dizkneelande said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/15/health/rfk-big-food-artificial-dyes-trump.html
 

NY Times is just garbage. 

"As you see, the ingredient list for the US and Canadian versions of Fruit Loops are completely identical, except the US product contains formaldehyde, cyanide, and nearly undetectable levels of saxitoxin"

It is funny how in the article the NYT is stuck in the false paradigm that it is the Republicans who are the bootlickers for big corporate interests over the health of the people.   It will be the Democrats and a few backstabbing anti-trumpsters who align lockstep with big Pharma, big Food, big Media, big Tech, military industrial complex.

[RLLD 4,230]

53 minutes ago, jonmx said:

It is funny how in the article the NYT is stuck in the false paradigm that it is the Republicans who are the bootlickers for big corporate interests over the health of the people.   It will be the Democrats and a few backstabbing anti-trumpsters who align lockstep with big Pharma, big Food, big Media, big Tech, military industrial complex.

When a Democrat accuses, our first reaction should be to acknowledge they are telling us what THEY are doing.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

6 hours ago, jonmx said:

Libs are not a thing anymore.   We have bootlickers for the authoritarian establishment and we have red-blooded Americans who love the Constitution.   Having an R or D by one name means nothing.  You are a bootlicker. 

You are an unserious poster