patweisers44 815 Posted November 21, 2024 On 11/19/2024 at 11:41 AM, Hardcore troubadour said: If Billy Wagner gets in first ballot then The Great Mariano Rivera needs his own wing in the HOF. Ozzie Focking Smith was first ballot..so anything is possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,964 Posted November 21, 2024 6 minutes ago, patweisers44 said: Ozzie Focking Smith was first ballot..so anything is possible. Ozzie Smith wouldn’t be a starter today. Might not even be in the majors. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,613 Posted November 21, 2024 Salvy is not a hall of famer… Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmh6476 1,010 Posted November 21, 2024 37 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Ozzie Smith wouldn’t be a starter today. Might not even be in the majors. Ozzie was a badass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmh6476 1,010 Posted November 21, 2024 25 minutes ago, posty said: Salvy is not a hall of famer… People didn't think Mike Piazza belonged, either Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,964 Posted November 21, 2024 Just now, cmh6476 said: People didn't think Mike Piazza belonged, either Huh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmh6476 1,010 Posted November 21, 2024 4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Huh? there were plenty who thought his resume wasn't enough to warrant getting in. I'm not asking as much about Salvy in particular, just if the criteria for catchers is more prohibitive than it should be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,964 Posted November 21, 2024 3 minutes ago, cmh6476 said: there were plenty who thought his resume wasn't enough to warrant getting in. I'm not asking as much about Salvy in particular, just if the criteria for catchers is more prohibitive than it should be. No there weren’t. His numbers are top shelf. Most HR’s ever by a catcher. Stop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmh6476 1,010 Posted November 21, 2024 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: No there weren’t. His numbers are top shelf. Most HR’s ever by a catcher. Stop. On January 6, 2016, former Los Angeles Dodgers catcher Mike Piazza was elected into the Baseball Hall of Fame, receiving a vote on 83% of the ballots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,613 Posted November 21, 2024 55 minutes ago, cmh6476 said: People didn't think Mike Piazza belonged, either Dude, lose the homer blinders…. Piazza was a lock for the hall, Salvy is not even in the same state at the moment… Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmh6476 1,010 Posted November 21, 2024 37 minutes ago, posty said: Dude, lose the homer blinders…. Piazza was a lock for the hall, Salvy is not even in the same state at the moment… Salvador Perez is not Mike Piazza. But give him two more decent seasons and he should end up with stats similar to a Gary Carter. I stated the question because of Salvy, but you guys might listen to the question better had I left a Royals player's name out. What are there, 18 catchers in the HOF? Most, the typical common fan wouldn't even recognize the names of. Pudge, Piazza and Mauer are probably the only players most people today can remember playing the game. That feels light, and I was just asking is it because they don't get the recognition they deserve or because there aren't that many catchers deserving of the honor? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,291 Posted November 22, 2024 I think Yadier Molina and Salvador Perez deserve HOF, however, not really the time to talk about them. Salvy is still playing. Molina is not on the ballot. Can't we just focus on 2025 HOF. Billy Wagner Ichiro Suzuki Andruw Jones CC Sabathia Those are my predictions. I'm seeing that those 4 along with Chase Utley and Carlos Beltran are all on a path to get inducted this year, however to me 6 in one year seems unlikely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,964 Posted November 22, 2024 I’m not putting A Jones in. Another really good not great player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmh6476 1,010 Posted November 22, 2024 Ichiro, CC and Wagner might be it. I think Beltran will eventually get in but might take another year or two and wear a Mets cap Just guesses because I have no clue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
patweisers44 815 Posted November 22, 2024 14 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: I’m not putting A Jones in. Another really good not great player. Sadly the HoF is littered with these types. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
patweisers44 815 Posted November 22, 2024 14 hours ago, Gepetto said: I think Yadier Molina and Salvador Perez deserve HOF, however, not really the time to talk about them. Salvy is still playing. Molina is not on the ballot. Can't we just focus on 2025 HOF. Billy Wagner Ichiro Suzuki Andruw Jones CC Sabathia Those are my predictions. I'm seeing that those 4 along with Chase Utley and Carlos Beltran are all on a path to get inducted this year, however to me 6 in one year seems unlikely. Chase Utley has no business being in any HoF discussion. He is a white Lou Whitaker minus the Gold Gloves. For the record Whitaker isnt a HoF IMO but i dont consider it the Hall of Pretty Good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,578 Posted November 22, 2024 I am absolutely shocked that cmh turned a current MLB HOF ballot topic into a discussion of his Royals borderline ballot-space-filler catcher. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,596 Posted November 22, 2024 14 hours ago, Gepetto said: CC Sabathia I like CC but he’s not 1st ballot material Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmh6476 1,010 Posted November 23, 2024 9 hours ago, jerryskids said: I am absolutely shocked that cmh turned a current MLB HOF ballot topic into a discussion of his Royals borderline ballot-space-filler catcher. It really was the realization that catchers aren't well represented. I mean if you are a perennial all star (the top at your position year after year) don't you think that should merit consideration? Molina deserves to be in but his will be a drawn out process. And a guy like posada can't even stay on the ballot for a 2nd year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,613 Posted January 21 Announced tonight at 6pm ET… Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,485 Posted January 21 38 minutes ago, posty said: Announced tonight at 6pm ET… Listening to MLBRadio the last few weeks, it seems like Ichiro, Beltran, Jones, and Wagner are getting in this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,613 Posted January 21 4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: Listening to MLBRadio the last few weeks, it seems like Ichiro, Beltran, Jones, and Wagner are getting in this year. Beltran should not get in IMO…. Yes he had some numbers but the cheating scandal should keep him out… If Beltran gets in, then it opens a whole can of worms and others should go in… Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,964 Posted January 21 Ichiro, CC and Wagner. Ichiro was not unanimous. Looks like one dik didn’t vote for him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,485 Posted January 21 44 minutes ago, posty said: Beltran should not get in IMO…. Yes he had some numbers but the cheating scandal should keep him out… If Beltran gets in, then it opens a whole can of worms and others should go in… I'm not sure he should get in either, but I think he has an argument. That said, he's clearly getting in next year. He went from 57% last year to 70% this year. He's going to get the necessary votes next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,122 Posted January 21 On 11/18/2024 at 7:30 PM, thegeneral said: Ichiro. Will he be unanimous? On 11/18/2024 at 7:32 PM, Mike Honcho said: We should bet on how many writers keep him off...I'll say 4 On 11/18/2024 at 9:26 PM, posty said: He should, but I doubt he will be unanimous…. Rivera still shouldn’t have been the first one… 7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Ichiro, CC and Wagner. Ichiro was not unanimous. Looks like one dik didn’t vote for him We should have had a poll, I went way over with 4. Fockin sports writers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,578 Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Ichiro, CC and Wagner. Ichiro was not unanimous. Looks like one dik didn’t vote for him I'm good with this list. Also sucks that some voter had to make it about himself to not vote for Ichiro. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patented Phil 1,469 Posted January 21 I couldn’t care less, which is extraordinary seeing as I lived and breathed baseball up until about 10 years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,613 Posted January 21 A complete sham that Ichiro wasn’t unanimous… Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 2,948 Posted January 22 28 minutes ago, posty said: A complete sham that Ichiro wasn’t unanimous… Yep. There’s always one! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,291 Posted January 22 On 11/22/2024 at 11:29 AM, HellToupee said: I like CC but he’s not 1st ballot material Well he is now, officially. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
