Penix to play.

[jbycho 605]

Boy did Cousins flame out or what? 

[Maximum Overkill 1,741]

2 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Boy did Cousins flame out or what? 

And Atlanta is on the hook for a lot of money  

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ATL flamed out.  Beyond me why you would go sign an old qb off an achilles to big money then draft a QB top 10.  

May work out for thrm in thr long run.  But could have just skipped the step of going out and paying an old vet.  Thats one expensive bridge QB.   No idea what their line of thinking was.  

[Mike Honcho 5,107]

7 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

ATL flamed out.  Beyond me why you would go sign an old qb off an achilles to big money then draft a QB top 10.  

May work out for thrm in thr long run.  But could have just skipped the step of going out and paying an old vet.  Thats one expensive bridge QB.   No idea what their line of thinking was.  

4 year 180M contract, most likely they cut him before next year 10M roster bonus, but he was  guaranteed 100M - all for 14 starts.  He must be the all-time luckiest QB ever.  At best a 2nd tier starter, yet the way FA fell for him(not a lot of other available QB's), he's maxed out his earnings beyond belief. He's 4th all-time in career earnings, behind Brady, Russell Wilson and Matt Ryan.  

[jbycho 605]

2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

And Atlanta is on the hook for a lot of money  

A couple years ago my superflex dynasty team had Deshaun Watson and no 2nd QB option. Therefore my team couldn't compete. Since then, I drafted Richardson, Daniels, and Penix (late second round) in my rookie drafts. Hopefully Penix and Richardson can do something. I'm optimistic. 

And still Watson if he ever decides to give it a go again.

I need RBs now. Hopefully I can grab that Ashton Jeanty dude next draft. 

 

[MDC 7,144]

I give the Falcons credit for starting Pennix. A lot of teams would continue to play Cousins just to save face.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

31 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

ATL flamed out.  Beyond me why you would go sign an old qb off an achilles to big money then draft a QB top 10.  

May work out for thrm in thr long run.  But could have just skipped the step of going out and paying an old vet.  Thats one expensive bridge QB.   No idea what their line of thinking was.  

The cap doesn’t matter anymore, at least not for now. So they figured, fock it, might as well get the best bridge QB we possibly can since it doesn’t matter how much we pay him.

Credit to them for not being cheap. Bob Kraft, for example, would’ve never done that.

Now they did kinda fock Cousins because he didn’t know that was their plan. I can see why he would be pissed. OTOH Cousins focked himself too by playing poorly. So I dunno

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14 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

The cap doesn’t matter anymore, at least not for now. So they figured, fock it, might as well get the best bridge QB we possibly can since it doesn’t matter how much we pay him.

Credit to them for not being cheap. Bob Kraft, for example, would’ve never done that.

Now they did kinda fock Cousins because he didn’t know that was their plan. I can see why he would be pissed. OTOH Cousins focked himself too by playing poorly. So I dunno

Its weird to pay a guy that to start for 1 year off a big injury.  Doesnt matter which way you slice it.  Cap can be manipulated but it does matter some.  The Bills had a ton of dead cap in Diggs.  They werent able to do a whole lot even tho going in they had glaring holes in some spots.  Their big signing was curtis samuel.  Now of course it isnt a long term crush on a team.  But it matters some.  Denver has played well because of various things but they were not able to spend a ton to build because of Russ.  

Anyone can get cap compliant in a given year.  But the money is real and you can only restructure guys so many times.  Eventually you run into issues.  Again, it wont be crushing.  But you would be able to do more into next year if you had a rookie QB contract and not so many millions in dead cap.  Teams with top paid QBs can really restructure those and get easy cap.  But ATL doesnt have a high paid QB contract to restructure and gain off of.  

I wouldnt credit them for not being cheap.  It didnt work and was totally unnecessary.   Give credit to a team like the Vikings and Darnold.  Not giving 100 guaranteed to Cousins to suck and toss him away before the season is finished.  Thats a stupid move.    

[IGotWorms 4,057]

2 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Its weird to pay a guy that to start for 1 year off a big injury.  Doesnt matter which way you slice it.  Cap can be manipulated but it does matter some.  The Bills had a ton of dead cap in Diggs.  They werent able to do a whole lot even tho going in they had glaring holes in some spots.  Their big signing was curtis samuel.  Now of course it isnt a long term crush on a team.  But it matters some.  Denver has played well because of various things but they were not able to spend a ton to build because of Russ.  

Anyone can get cap compliant in a given year.  But the money is real and you can only restructure guys so many times.  Eventually you run into issues.  Again, it wont be crushing.  But you would be able to do more into next year if you had a rookie QB contract and not so many millions in dead cap.  Teams with top paid QBs can really restructure those and get easy cap.  But ATL doesnt have a high paid QB contract to restructure and gain off of.  

I wouldnt credit them for not being cheap.  It didnt work and was totally unnecessary.   Give credit to a team like the Vikings and Darnold.  Not giving 100 guaranteed to Cousins to suck and toss him away before the season is finished.  Thats a stupid move.    

I mean that’s just kind of a black and white take. I’m saying give the owner credit for being willing to spend. Maybe he should’ve spent elsewhere but that’s a different issue. You do realize that several things can be true at once, right?

[MLCKAA 546]

The Colts are the most shining example of a team screwing itself by refusing to engage during FA.  Year after year after year they refuse to utilize FA, only signing third or fourth tier guys late in FA despite having the cap space.  And year after year after year they go through the season with critically glaring problems that go unsolved through the draft.

Is it the owner or the unchecked hubris of the GM thinking he can do it all through the draft?  No one here is sure.  

[kutulu 1,659]

Hold my penix 

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6 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

I mean that’s just kind of a black and white take. I’m saying give the owner credit for being willing to spend. Maybe he should’ve spent elsewhere but that’s a different issue. You do realize that several things can be true at once, right?

It was a dumb move.  You dont give someone credit for be willing to spend on a QB then turn around and draft one top 10.  Since when do we give sports teams props for spending money foolishly?  Yankees get for it all the time.  Baseball in general.  An old QB off an achilles?  They were an old Cousins off a bad injury away from winning anything?   

Im not giving credit for being totally wrong and not making any sense in the process.   

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1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

It was a dumb move.  You dont give someone credit for be willing to spend on a QB then turn around and draft one top 10.  Since when do we give sports teams props for spending money foolishly?  Yankees get for it all the time.  Baseball in general.  An old QB off an achilles?  They were an old Cousins off a bad injury away from winning anything?   

Im not giving credit for being totally wrong and not making any sense in the process.   

Well at least they’re not cheap. But I guess you’re never going to get it  

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9 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Well at least they’re not cheap. But I guess you’re never going to get it  

The point you are trying to hammer home is a dumb one.  

[Alias Detective 1,389]

10 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Well at least they’re not cheap. But I guess you’re never going to get it  

 

1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

The point you are trying to hammer home is a dumb one.  

Bobby Bo says yeah but they were willing to spend money!  Worms has been way off since the Trump win.

[TBayXXXVII 2,485]

I think the Falcons are doubling down on stupid.  I don't think Cousins was playing great by any stretch, but I think that he's playing like a lot of players who are only about a year removed from surgery.  He got hurt last year at the end of October or early November... I believe it was either week 8 or week 9 and his surgery was at the end of November.  The biggest road block for athletes is the mental aspect.  The Achilles is no different than an ACL in that the heal time is approximately 9 months to a year.  Cousins was practicing at 7 months.  He probably shouldn't have been.  He's been playing tentative all year.  If both the Falcons and Cousins were smart, neither signs the deal.  The Falcons of course are dumber.

That said, Cousins is likely to be fine next season and be back to his normal self.  The Falcons, because of the crappy division they're in and the softness of their schedule are in the playoff hunt.  They're now making a change at QB to safe face of wasting a top 10 draft pick on a QB.  Had Tampa won last night, the Falcon's season could be over when they lose next week to Washington.  The thing is, they made the change before the week started.  There's no going back.  If they'd have left Cousins in, the season doesn't change... they beat the Giants and Panthers, but lose to Washington and miss the playoffs.  Next year, they tell everyone that it's QB competition.  When Cousins wins, they would have Y2 with a healthy Cousins and probably make the playoffs.  After the season, they can make the decision to move on from Cousins and the dead cap hit would be a lot less than what it will be next year.  Over the last 10 months, every decision they made at QB, was the wrong one.

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7 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think the Falcons are doubling down on stupid.  I don't think Cousins was playing great by any stretch, but I think that he's playing like a lot of players who are only about a year removed from surgery.  He got hurt last year at the end of October or early November... I believe it was either week 8 or week 9 and his surgery was at the end of November.  The biggest road block for athletes is the mental aspect.  The Achilles is no different than an ACL in that the heal time is approximately 9 months to a year.  Cousins was practicing at 7 months.  He probably shouldn't have been.  He's been playing tentative all year.  If both the Falcons and Cousins were smart, neither signs the deal.  The Falcons of course are dumber.

That said, Cousins is likely to be fine next season and be back to his normal self.  The Falcons, because of the crappy division they're in and the softness of their schedule are in the playoff hunt.  They're now making a change at QB to safe face of wasting a top 10 draft pick on a QB.  Had Tampa won last night, the Falcon's season could be over when they lose next week to Washington.  The thing is, they made the change before the week started.  There's no going back.  If they'd have left Cousins in, the season doesn't change... they beat the Giants and Panthers, but lose to Washington and miss the playoffs.  Next year, they tell everyone that it's QB competition.  When Cousins wins, they would have Y2 with a healthy Cousins and probably make the playoffs.  After the season, they can make the decision to move on from Cousins and the dead cap hit would be a lot less than what it will be next year.  Over the last 10 months, every decision they made at QB, was the wrong one.

I don't think they are "doubling down" on stupid. I think they realize they focked up with that contract and aren't messing around to fix things now, even at a net loss. Penix is the guy. He is right now their future. 

And to give them further credit, they set things up to Cousins only to be on the team for 2 years and then they can trade away or eat some of the cost to have Penix learn for a couple years on the bench. Cousins failed them (or they failed themselves) but whatever, they are on the right track and it's now into next year.  

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9 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

I don't think they are "doubling down" on stupid. I think they realize they focked up with that contract and aren't messing around to fix things now, even at a net loss. Penix is the guy. He is right now their future. 

And to give them further credit, they set things up to Cousins only to be on the team for 2 years and then they can trade away or eat some of the cost to have Penix learn for a couple years on the bench. Cousins failed them (or they failed themselves) but whatever, they are on the right track and it's now into next year.  

Cousins was coming back from an injury that is just as impactful as an ACL to a RB... and that was only just a year ago.  Any RB coming back from an ACL isn't 100% just 10 months later.  In fact, virtually everyone expects diminished returns that year.  The following year however, is something that could be seen as the bounce back year.  For Cousins, that's next year.  Yes, the Falcons are doubling down on stupid because they knew the likelihood of this outcome, still signed him, and then benched (and possibly will cut), him before he's really back.  They should've let the year play out.  Be it Cousins or Penix, they're not going anywhere this year.  Why create even more drama than they already had?  Finish the season and going into next year with the intent of playing Cousins.  If he loses the job, fine, they're only on the hook for a $35M cap hit for 2026.  That's not the end of the world.  Cut him after this season, they go into next year with a $65M dead cap hit.

If the Falcons had a great defense and were say 10-5 right now, and Cousins was the reason they weren't 13-2, then ok.  That's not the case.  They're essentially a league average team in a below average division.  Even if they make the playoffs and get a home game, they're 1 and done.  What did that accomplish?

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He's better than Purdy

[peenie 1,905]

I really liked Cousins... 

My son-in-law just met Penix last week and asked him if he was going to start and he said he didn't know.