Why Was Pacific Palisades Reservoir Empty?

[Engorgeous George 2,241]

15 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Sure throw goats out there. How many acres can goats clear out? 

An acre of good productive grazing land can sustain about six goats.  For Scrub lands like those in the California hills each goat can control the brush on about 2 to four acres.  They need about six to eight pounds of dry brush a day.  Goats would not be a panacea, but the are more or less ecologically friendly, are low cost, low maintenance, and readily available.  Their down side is they will gladly consume decorative vegetaton and flowers and mountain lions will follow them into neighborhoods.

[squistion 2,062]

8 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

There is no comparison to Maui or Colorado. 

And “Butch Crew”? If you want to see trash look in a mirror. 

The anti-LGBTQ bigotry is in full force in the threads related to the L.A. fires. 

[Alias Detective 1,392]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I think Karen Bass has done a poor job. I question her competence. I don’t think if she had done a better job it would have made very much of a difference.

What did she do that could have been better?

[thegeneral 3,067]

2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

An acre of good productive grazing land can sustain obout six goats.  For Scrub lands like those in the California hills each goat can control the brush on about 2 to four acres.  They need about six to eight pounds of dry brush a day.  Goats would not be a panacea, but the are more or less ecologically friendly, are low cost, low maintenance, and readily available.  Their down side is they will gladly consume decorative vegetaton and flowers and mountain lions will follow them into neighborhoods.

They will be looking at every option. A legit problem with California is it will take forever to do anything. Even in a perfectly functioning situation rebuilding 10k homes is insane. When trying to incorporate prevention and new concepts into the process. Eeesh.

We’ll see what the insurance companies do after all this. The costs of insuring may take care of some of this.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,139]

I don’t know. All those goats roaming around the forest is going to attract a lot of Muslim men. May not be worth it. 

[Mike Hunt 266]

15 minutes ago, squistion said:

The anti-LGBTQ bigotry is in full force in the threads related to the L.A. fires. 

Is Bass a dyke?  

[squistion 2,062]

10 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

Is Bass a dyke?  

Are you a bigot? (rhetorical question).

[The Real timschochet 6,543]

23 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

What did she do that could have been better?

You tell me. 

[Fnord 2,135]

2 hours ago, Horseman said:

Brush hogs and ditch diggers.  Holy fok city folk are stupid.  

You propose brush hogs to clear hundreds of thousands of acres in and around one of the 10 largest focking cities in the world by land area and have the chutzpah to call others stupid?

LOL. You can't even stop owning yourself, Toxic Horsemanurity.

[RLLD 4,180]

California has actually improved its wildfire management policies over time, and after the 2018 Camp Fire, they enhanced it further.

I think the question we should be asking is why, with these enhanced policies, was the brush not actually managed as per government standard.

[jonnyutah 265]

10 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

There is no comparison to Maui or Colorado. 

And “Butch Crew”? If you want to see trash look in a mirror. 

Read this you miserable turd.

100 mph winds.

Multiple ignitions.

Destroyed over 1000 homes in hours.

"Eerily similar" 

 

Lol. Moron.

 

[Fnord 2,135]

26 minutes ago, RLLD said:

California has actually improved its wildfire management policies over time, and after the 2018 Camp Fire, they enhanced it further.

I think the question we should be asking is why, with these enhanced policies, was the brush not actually managed as per government standard.

Duh. No BRUSH HOGS!

[Maximum Overkill 1,863]

29 minutes ago, Fnord said:

You propose brush hogs to clear hundreds of thousands of acres in and around one of the 10 largest focking cities in the world by land area and have the chutzpah to call others stupid

They pay the largest property taxes in the Country. CLEAR THE FRIGGIN BRUSH!!!! 

I love that Democrats always keep expectations low. No water, no big deal. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,863]

2 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

Read this you miserable turd.

100 mph winds.

Multiple ignitions.

Destroyed over 1000 homes in hours.

"Eerily similar" 

 

Lol. Moron.

 

Who the hell needs water? Trannies and Lesbos with fire extinguishers will put it out  

[RLLD 4,180]

1 minute ago, Fnord said:

Duh. No BRUSH HOGS!

Not sure that is a well-formulated response, perhaps you are not entirely aware.

Still, the question remains, given the policy, this should not have transpired; not at the severity at least.

So we are left with two possible elements.  Either (a) the policy is not well designed and needs to be reconsidered OR  (b) was not follwed.

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,863]

Just now, RLLD said:

So we are left with two possible elements.  Either (a) the policy is not well designed and needs to be reconsidered OR  (b) was not follwed.

@Fnord I can't wait to hear this answer  

[jonnyutah 265]

3 hours ago, Fnord said:

"Why isn't the brush cleared??!!"

Please explain to those of us that understand the California climate how that works. I would love to know how you clear a few hundred thousand acres of dried up grass within a few months every year there's a wet spring. Please, educate us.

You dumb twat. You dont have to clear all of it!!!

Why the hell you think firefighters are doing it right now!?!?!

[jonnyutah 265]

All these illegals running around and you cant get some brush cleared?

Lolololol

[Fnord 2,135]

2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

They pay the largest property taxes in the Country. CLEAR THE FRIGGIN BRUSH!!!! 

I love that Democrats always keep expectations low. No water, no big deal. 

I doubt you have considered this possibility, so allow me to present it to you:

You don't know d!ck about CA geography. It varies significantly from the enclave in South Carolina you claim to live in. It's dry there. There is a lot of area. Running glorified mowers across a few million acres is not a real solution. HTH.

[Alias Detective 1,392]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

You tell me. 

No sir.  I quoted you indicating she could have done things better.  I want to know what she did that could have been better. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,863]

3 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I doubt you have considered this possibility, so allow me to present it to you:

You don't know d!ck about CA geography. It varies significantly from the enclave in South Carolina you claim to live in. It's dry there. There is a lot of area. Running glorified mowers across a few million acres is not a real solution. HTH.

Ever hear of fire breaks, controlled burns, back feeding a fire?? 

Are you saying that there's no accountability here? 

[Alias Detective 1,392]

7 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I doubt you have considered this possibility, so allow me to present it to you:

You don't know d!ck about CA geography. It varies significantly from the enclave in South Carolina you claim to live in. It's dry there. There is a lot of area. Running glorified mowers across a few million acres is not a real solution. HTH.

 

2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Ever hear of fire breaks, controlled burns, back feeding a fire?? 

Are you saying that there's no accountability here? 

Clearly he is being stupid on purpose or my God he is focking STOOPID.  BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Fnord 2,135]

I'ma explain this as clearly as I can. Try to follow:

CA is the 3rd largest state, at approx 100 million acres. It is mostly an arid state (that means dry). When the rain comes, it frequently does so in high volume over short periods. This creates blooms of foliage, grass, flowers, etc. that quickly die off once the weather returns to normal. When dry, it is excellent tinder. But much of it is in forested and/or mountainous areas, with difficult or even no access. When fire comes, it consumes everything very quickly. The fire moves fast. When blasted by prevalent winds like the Santa Anas, it moves even faster. This is why fire season in CA is a mess every year. 

We can have legitimate discussions about the many seeming failures of leadership and policy. It is a target rich environment. But to claim that animals, mowers, or ditch diggers are going to clear away millions of acres of tinder every focking year is the very height of ignorance.

[Maximum Overkill 1,863]

4 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

 

Clearly he is being stupid on purpose or my God he is focking STOOPID.  BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

@Fnord is either a Master Troll or the dumbest Pedocrat on the Planet. 

He can't possibly believe what he writes. 

[Fnord 2,135]

7 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Ever hear of fire breaks, controlled burns, back feeding a fire?? 

Are you saying that there's no accountability here? 

Ever thought about who does that work, how there aren't enough of them, there's not enough money to pay them, how granola NIMBYs refuse to have that done on their property?

You guys act like it's easy as a quick controlled burn. This isn't a focking grove on the back 40. It's millions of acres of tinder.

[Alias Detective 1,392]

I found this map discussing controlled burns.  It seemed in 2018 The area on fire didn't feel it necessary to create a council to discuss wildfire control.  Another ball dropped.

https://www.stateforesters.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/2018-Prescribed-Fire-Use-Survey-Report-1.pdf

[RLLD 4,180]

We should not only see the negative here. It just so happens that the areas burned are also included in their high speed rail plan....so now they can streamline that project since the homes are all out of the way.

[Maximum Overkill 1,863]

1 minute ago, Fnord said:

Ever thought about who does that work, how there aren't enough of them, 

5.5 Million Dollars for Diversity Programs. You figure it out Son. 

[Fnord 2,135]

Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

5.5 Million Dollars for Diversity Programs. You figure it out Son. 

Ooooh, a whole 5.5 mil? That'll buy you a mower and labor to clear out someone's backyard in the Palisades. 

[Engorgeous George 2,241]

2 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I'ma explain this as clearly as I can. Try to follow:

CA is the 3rd largest state, at approx 100 million acres. It is mostly an arid state (that means dry). When the rain comes, it frequently does so in high volume over short periods. This creates blooms of foliage, grass, flowers, etc. that quickly die off once the weather returns to normal. When dry, it is excellent tinder. But much of it is in forested and/or mountainous areas, with difficult or even no access. When fire comes, it consumes everything very quickly. The fire moves fast. When blasted by prevalent winds like the Santa Anas, it moves even faster. This is why fire season in CA is a mess every year. 

We can have legitimate discussions about the many seeming failures of leadership and policy. It is a target rich environment. But to claim that animals, mowers, or ditch diggers are going to clear away millions of acres of tinder every focking year is the very height of ignorance.

I don't appreciate being referred to as ignorant.  Animals can clear significant amounts of brush.  Not all of it, but amounts which would make a substantial difference in California's wildfire season.  If animals reduced the tinder by 50% in and around suburban and urban communities, and if that were coupled with fire breaks and fire roads, and adequate water pressure from a few more high altitude storage tanks gravity feeding water and water pressure to hydrants many fires could be substantially or totally mitigated.  Would they all be absolutely suppressed and mitigated, absolutely not.  Would many communities have been at least partially spared during this recent event, almost certainly so.  We are not now talking about best efforts, just reasonably achieveable goals which are cost effective,and those efforts were not in place.  Were I a burnt out homeownerIi would be looking for political scalps right now, and justifiably so.

[Maximum Overkill 1,863]

2 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Ooooh, a whole 5.5 mil? That'll buy you a mower and labor to clear out someone's backyard in the Palisades. 

Wow, your defense of this DEI Government is mind numbing. #No_Water 

[DonS 3,292]

25 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

All these illegals running around and you cant get some brush cleared?

Lolololol

They're too busy being paid in cash by dudes that want to cheat the state out of taxes. 

I wonder if any of those taxes could've help pay for things related to fire prevention? 

[Alias Detective 1,392]

Control burns will remove a couple hundred acres of undergrowth in a single burn. 

15 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Ever thought about who does that work, how there aren't enough of them, there's not enough money to pay them, how granola NIMBYs refuse to have that done on their property?

You guys act like it's easy as a quick controlled burn. This isn't a focking grove on the back 40. It's millions of acres of tinder.

 

[Fnord 2,135]

1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

I don't appreciate being referred to as ignorant.  Animals can clear significant amounts of brush.  Not all of it, but amounts which would make a substantial difference in California's wildfire season.  If animals reduced the tinder by 50% in and around suburban and urban communities, and if that were coupled with fire breaks and fire roads, and adequate water pressure from a few more high altitude storage tanks gravity feeding water and water pressure to hydrants many fires could be substantially or totally mitigated.  Would they all be absolutely suppressed and mitigated, absolutely not.  Would many communities have been at least partially spared during this recent event, almost certainly so.  We are not now talking about best efforts, just reasonably achieveable goals which are cost effective,and those efforts were not in place.  Were I a burnt out homeownerIi would be looking for political scalps right now, and justifiably so.

Apologies if you felt I was slighting you. That was not my intention, though I meant very much to slight a few others. You are good people and I have a lot of respect for you and your humor.

You absolutely have some good points, and this is where we can get into the liberal CA policies and citizens ignoring self interest. People aren't going to be okay with goats or other grass eating animals roaming their property in or around most cities in CA. I mean, they POOP, for god sake, and we can't have that much fecal matter on Mr. hotshot LA actor/producer's property. Poop belongs in the toilet or the streets of San Francisco. Also, there are plenty of predators in some of those areas that would become a big problem if given an ample food supply like that.

This is not just about cities, either. Most of CA is fairly remote. There is literally not enough labor, equipment, or money to address the issues. Here is where a conversation about policy and leadership needs to be had.

[Maximum Overkill 1,863]

2 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Control burns will remove a couple hundred acres of undergrowth in a single burn. 

@Fnord Doesn't understand anything we're talking about. Controlled burns are very effective and necessary. California just didn't have the budget or Man Power for it. They're too worried about Tranny Shelters and safe spaces. 

@Fnord will never admit it though. 

[Fnord 2,135]

10 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Wow, your defense of this DEI Government is mind numbing. #No_Water 

I'm not defending the government. There were clearly some serious failings here. Lots of blame to go around and investigations that need to happen. What I'm telling you is that many of your "solutions" are cartoonish in their simplicity and efficacy. You're in fantasy land.

[Fnord 2,135]

10 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Control burns will remove a couple hundred acres of undergrowth in a single burn. 

 

Yup. How much time and money get spent on a couple hundred acres of controlled burn? Who decides what areas get burned? Then who gets pissed because their area does NOT get a controlled burn? Who pays for it when a stiff wind connects with the controlled burn, which quickly becomes uncontrolled? 

Now scale a couple hundred acres to a couple hundred thousand, or a couple million. It's just not realistic. 

[Engorgeous George 2,241]

1 minute ago, Fnord said:

Apologies if you felt I was slighting you. That was not my intention, though I meant very much to slight a few others. You are good people and I have a lot of respect for you and your humor.

You absolutely have some good points, and this is where we can get into the liberal CA policies and citizens ignoring self interest. People aren't going to be okay with goats or other grass eating animals roaming their property in or around most cities in CA. I mean, they POOP, for god sake, and we can't have that much fecal matter on Mr. hotshot LA actor/producer's property. Poop belongs in the toilet or the streets of San Francisco. Also, there are plenty of predators in some of those areas that would become a big problem if given an ample food supply like that.

This is not just about cities, either. Most of CA is fairly remote. There is literally not enough labor, equipment, or money to address the issues. Here is where a conversation about policy and leadership needs to be had.

I will say this.  I would rather have goats roaming around my property and pooping on it rather than homeless folks as some here have advocated.  I don't know what is in the diets of the homeless, but their turds are quite offensive, akin to my own, really.  Also, say you are having a party.  if a goat wanders by and drops a few raisins it is maybe a conversation starter, if some giant homeless slob like me comes by and drops a typical foul smelling log, well, party over, everybody who is not sickened is actively running away.  Some with weak constitutions may not make it out alive.

[Maximum Overkill 1,863]

2 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I'm not defending the government. There were clearly some serious failings here. Lots of blame to go around and investigations that need to happen. What I'm telling you is that many of your "solutions" are cartoonish in their simplicity and efficacy. You're in fantasy land.

Here's the thing, it's California. Their WOKE Politicians, Woke budgeting and Woke restrictions were going to catch up with them someday. Here we are. 

It's impossible for a Government to function as designed when the Mayor's are more worried about diversity than Public Safety. 

Everything i just said is 100% true and completely accurate. Who's at fault, the voters, the Woke politicians or the wind? 

[Alias Detective 1,392]

5 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Yup. How much time and money get spent on a couple hundred acres of controlled burn? Who decides what areas get burned? Then who gets pissed because their area does NOT get a controlled burn? Who pays for it when a stiff wind connects with the controlled burn, which quickly becomes uncontrolled? 

Now scale a couple hundred acres to a couple hundred thousand, or a couple million. It's just not realistic. 

This is already being done in all states dude.  It isn't reinventing the focking wheel.  Damn.