Drill Baby Drill!

[Engorgeous George 2,354]

16 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Very cool.

The difficult thing was giving up the hunting we had on that land.  As one might imagine corn fields immediately adjacent to a large marsh in the middle of the Great Lakes Flyway migration route yeilded some outstanding hunting.

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

Just now, Engorgeous George said:

The difficult thing was giving up the hunting we had on that land.  As one might imagine corn fields immediately adjacent to a large marsh in the middle of the Great Lakes Flyway migration route yeilded some outstanding hunting.

I'm sure.  At least it's still a beautiful area, full of wildlife.

[peenie 2,035]

15 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Why do liberals speak so loudly about conserving our wildlife when the majority of them don't live near wildlife areas?  I guess the opposite could be said about conservatives.  Why are they so eager to drill and destroy our land when the majority of them are surrounded by wildlife.  Maybe I'm not accurate in this thinking.

Because I want to visit there and care about land and animals even if I don’t interact with it directly. With that logic why care about Ukraine or Israel? 

https://wildmontana.org/

 

[The Real timschochet 7,560]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

Maybe then support licensing of nuclear facilities.  

Yes!!

https://www.iea.org/news/a-new-era-for-nuclear-energy-beckons-as-projects-policies-and-investments-increase

This article calls for an investment of 240 billion. But that’s cheap compared to the potential return. Why isn’t Trump talking about this? Why hasn’t he said one word about it? I and many other liberals would support him if he did. (Well at least I would.) 

I would also love to see a Manhattan Project like effort to pursue nuclear fusion. What is more important? Nothing. 

[Engorgeous George 2,354]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I'm sure.  At least it's still a beautiful area, full of wildlife.

I wonder if the land supported more wildlife as a farm than as fallow land.  During the migration the farm was very quiet and the sileage and the corm cobs which did not get harvested suported a lot of geese.  maybe more than fallow land.  it might have been a feeding station.  Who knows whether as fallow land it has more food than as farmland.  i understand they did try to encourage some berries adn wild roses to grow so there would be rosehips for the geese to eat, along with the berries.

[Engorgeous George 2,354]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Yes!!

https://www.iea.org/news/a-new-era-for-nuclear-energy-beckons-as-projects-policies-and-investments-increase

This article calls for an investment of 240 billion. But that’s cheap compared to the potential return. Why isn’t Trump talking about this? Why hasn’t he said one word about it? I and many other liberals would support him if he did. (Well at least I would.) 

I would also love to see a Manhattan Project like effort to pursue nuclear fusion. What is more important? Nothing. 

Those opposed to nukes are opposed to first generation facilities adn the examples they can come up with from those facilities.  They seem blissfully unaware of the reactors the navy has had shipboard and subboard these last 60 years or so.  Reactors are incredibly safe now, and if constructed as small;er sized ones, like the ones on subs, fairly easy to shut down. Ii would suggest they can even be built on barges which can be rapidly sunk if the need arises.  There is no reason they have to be land based, particularly near fault lines.

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

3 minutes ago, peenie said:

Because I want to visit there and care about land and animals even if I don’t interact with it directly. With that logic why care about Ukraine or Israel? 

https://wildmontana.org/

 

I know why people should care.  I think everyone should care like you do.

We need to take care of ourselves before we can take care of other countries.  Listen to the flight attendant, put your mask on first and then help then person beside you.

 

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

7 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I wonder if the land supported more wildlife as a farm than as fallow land.  During the migration the farm was very quiet and the sileage and the corm cobs which did not get harvested suported a lot of geese.  maybe more than fallow land.  it might have been a feeding station.  Who knows whether as fallow land it has more food than as farmland.  i understand they did try to encourage some berries adn wild roses to grow so there would be rosehips for the geese to eat, along with the berries.

I'm a firm believer that it's more beneficial to wildlife in it's natural state in most cases.  The geese are not the only thing that benefit from it.  There are multiple animals, insects and plant species that will thrive more in that environment compared to farmland.

[seafoam1 3,569]

25 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

This reminds me of what some have said to me about the liberal culture and how far left they have gone.  I have heard people like yourself say that it's important to stop the liberal agenda, not because it's going to affect us tomorrow, but that it will affect us further down the road.  Slowly losing our traditional culture.  Similar to giving up certain aspects of our rights.  Give into them now and what else will they take?

If you start saying it's ok destroy one area of our natural habitat, won't that just lead to more areas being destroyed?  Once we get to a certain point, might as well keep going.  I mean, we've already gone this far.

I think that's a reasonable comparison. 

No. I said the liberal agenda is affecting us NOW. And will continue to affect us negatively if they stay in power. 

So you started off on the wrong premise here. 

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

No. I said the liberal agenda is affecting us NOW. And will continue to affect us negatively if they stay in power. 

So you started off on the wrong premise here. 

How is it affecting you now?

[seafoam1 3,569]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

How is it affecting you now?

You have posted in probably 30-40 threads of how liberal agendas are negatively affecting us and at times even agreed, and now you are asking me this?  Check out this forum for the past 4 years. Then maybe move onto the obama years race baiting and identity politics years. 

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

You have posted in probably 30-40 threads of how liberal agendas are negatively affecting us and at times even agreed, and now you are asking me this?  Chick out this forum for the past 4 years. Then maybe move onto the obama years race baiting and identity politics years. 

How is it affecting you personally is what I'm asking.  It's not really affecting me personally, it's just not the direction I want our country going.  I assume you feel the same way, unless you do have some personal, negative experiences.

[seafoam1 3,569]

29 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

How is it affecting you personally is what I'm asking.  It's not really affecting me personally, it's just not the direction I want our country going.  I assume you feel the same way, unless you do have some personal, negative experiences.

Inflation isn't affecting you? You don't have to take mandatory DEI training for hours a year? You don't see how simply bringing up Trump's name doesn't send some people into flames at the store or wherever? You don't see the identity sensitivity in the work place, and basically everywhere else? You don't see the wild fires in LA that were mis-managed by liberal defunding? You don't see the massive crap spending by our government that is paid for by our taxes? You don't see the murder rates in liberal run cities going crazy? You don't see black people crying for reparations? Did they do this as much pre obama?

This country is a ticking time bomb when liberals are in power. About 6 months after I retired I got a little stir crazy and took a job delivering mail for a rural office about 12 miles from where I live. I don't work much but it keeps me in shape and active. Anyway, for one thing, you don't dare say the word Trump at the office because 75% of them will focking hound you on it. And another, one guy got pissed at another dude and told him off once. Instead of just telling the guy to chill out, they suspended him for a couple weeks, then when he came back they forced him to go up to each person in the building and tell them "Hi, it's a new year and I'm just trying to self improve. So what's your name again? Oh, ok "Seafoam1" I'm sorry if I ever offended you in any way and I promise to work on my ways and please let me know directly if I hurt your feelings in any way." It was more than awkward. I have got along with the guy fine. And talk about swearing, the postmaster and the manager cuss like there is no end to the use of the word "fock". So what's their problem?

Treating adults like children is liberalism. 

All of this is liberalism and I am 100% sure I'm leaving out about 500 other things but don't want this to drag on so long. 

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

Inflation isn't affecting you?  Yes, but I don't put that solely on the liberal agenda.

You don't have to take mandatory DEI training for hours a year?  No.  I own my own business in rural Iowa.

You don't see how simply bringing up Trump's name doesn't send some people into flames at the store or wherever?  No.  I don't live in the city, full of nutjobs.

You don't see the identity sensitivity in the work place, and basically everywhere else?  No.

You don't see the wild fires in LA that were mis-managed by liberal defunding?  That doesn't personally affect me so it doesn't apply.

You don't see the massive crap spending by our government that is paid for by our taxes?  I've seen crap spending by every political group.

You don't see the murder rates in liberal run cities going crazy?  Once again, this doesn't affect me and doesn't apply.

You don't see black people crying for reparations?  See above.

Did they do this as much pre obama?  You've gone off track.

Regardless of all that not affecting me personally, I don't care for the liberal agenda.  I don't want our country to continue going down that road.  That's why I'm not a democrat and didn't vote that way.

[seafoam1 3,569]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Inflation isn't affecting you?  Yes, but I don't put that solely on the liberal agenda.

You don't have to take mandatory DEI training for hours a year?  No.  I own my own business in rural Iowa.

You don't see how simply bringing up Trump's name doesn't send some people into flames at the store or wherever?  No.  I don't live in the city, full of nutjobs.

You don't see the identity sensitivity in the work place, and basically everywhere else?  No.

You don't see the wild fires in LA that were mis-managed by liberal defunding?  That doesn't personally affect me so it doesn't apply.

You don't see the massive crap spending by our government that is paid for by our taxes?  I've seen crap spending by every political group.

You don't see the murder rates in liberal run cities going crazy?  Once again, this doesn't affect me and doesn't apply.

You don't see black people crying for reparations?  See above.

Did they do this as much pre obama?  You've gone off track.

Regardless of all that not affecting me personally, I don't care for the liberal agenda.  I don't want our country to continue going down that road.  That's why I'm not a democrat and didn't vote that way.

Well sorry to tell you this, but most people don't live in rural areas. Nr do most people own their own businesses in rural areas. So, let's keep this discussion to the common man. 

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

8 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Well sorry to tell you this, but most people don't live in rural areas. Nr do most people own their own businesses in rural areas. So, let's keep this discussion to the common man. 

I’m pretty sure the only businesses around here that go through that crap are pretty large. Most of those large businesses are in cities. Small town USA is not as liberal but you already know that. 

[seafoam1 3,569]

10 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I’m pretty sure the only businesses around here that go through that crap are pretty large. Most of those large businesses are in cities. Small town USA is not as liberal but you already know that. 

Well, either way, I never feel restrained in saying my thoughts on things if asked but in the work place, I don't bring up some things because I know it will absolutely trigger some people. So what's the point? And all legal American people do have to pay taxes and I have a moral compass that tells me it has been spent incorrectly and in bad faith to my contributions at my jobs and in my community. I do not like funding foreign wars, I do not like like funding bumbling embarrassing military actions. I don't like being represented by people who don't have my interests and I don't like law enforcement hate mongering that has been a trademark of the liberal government for years now. 

And I absolutely hate the race baiting agenda that obama put into motion and is still moving onward by evidence of another thread peenie was in earlier.  

[Engorgeous George 2,354]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I'm a firm believer that it's more beneficial to wildlife in it's natural state in most cases.  The geese are not the only thing that benefit from it.  There are multiple animals, insects and plant species that will thrive more in that environment compared to farmland.

Certainly there will be greater biodiversity.    

[Ron_Artest 2,720]

https://www.cpr.org/2026/01/09/bureau-of-land-management-oil-gas-auction-zero-bids-colorado/

On Thursday, the Bureau of Land Management auctioned off leases on more than 20,000 acres of public land in Colorado for oil and gas drilling. The land, divided into 23 parcels, was offered at the minimum starting price, just $10 an acre, and could be leased indefinitely once oil and gas starts flowing. 

But during the sale: crickets. Not a single parcel received a bid, and only two companies had even registered for the sale. 

[Alias Detective 1,480]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

https://www.cpr.org/2026/01/09/bureau-of-land-management-oil-gas-auction-zero-bids-colorado/

On Thursday, the Bureau of Land Management auctioned off leases on more than 20,000 acres of public land in Colorado for oil and gas drilling. The land, divided into 23 parcels, was offered at the minimum starting price, just $10 an acre, and could be leased indefinitely once oil and gas starts flowing. 

But during the sale: crickets. Not a single parcel received a bid, and only two companies had even registered for the sale. 

Do,you have a point here?

[Ron_Artest 2,720]

45 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Do,you have a point here?

You need me to spell it out to you?

[Hardcore troubadour 16,207]

2.69 - 79 a gallon.  Depends on the day. Remember paying 4.50 and up sometimes during Biden. 

[Alias Detective 1,480]

29 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

You need me to spell it out to you?

Please do.  

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,598]

3 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

https://www.cpr.org/2026/01/09/bureau-of-land-management-oil-gas-auction-zero-bids-colorado/

On Thursday, the Bureau of Land Management auctioned off leases on more than 20,000 acres of public land in Colorado for oil and gas drilling. The land, divided into 23 parcels, was offered at the minimum starting price, just $10 an acre, and could be leased indefinitely once oil and gas starts flowing. 

But during the sale: crickets. Not a single parcel received a bid, and only two companies had even registered for the sale. 

You should have bought some 

[Ron_Artest 2,720]

43 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Please do.  

Drill baby drill isn't going to work.  The price of oil is the biggest factor.

[SaintsInDome2006 876]

4 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

But during the sale: crickets. Not a single parcel received a bid, and only two companies had even registered for the sale. 

The energy market has drastically changed. This is like a Dutchman saying the Netherlands must build more wooden windmills in 1930.

[Alias Detective 1,480]

4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Drill baby drill isn't going to work.  The price of oil is the biggest factor.

I live in the middle of shale country.  Stay in your lane bud.  

[Strike 6,121]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

2.69 - 79 a gallon.  Depends on the day. Remember paying 4.50 and up sometimes during Biden. 

It's 2:18 here.  Crazy.  Even CA prices don't sound horrible if you don't compare them to other states.

[Ron_Artest 2,720]

5 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

I live in the middle of shale country.  Stay in your lane bud.  

Why do I care where you live?

Can you explain why there was no new investment in 2025?

[Ron_Artest 2,720]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

2.69 - 79 a gallon.  Depends on the day. Remember paying 4.50 and up sometimes during Biden. 

 

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

It's 2:18 here.  Crazy.  Even CA prices don't sound horrible if you don't compare them to other states.

Why do you guys think gas is so cheap?

[Hardcore troubadour 16,207]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

It's 2:18 here.  Crazy.  Even CA prices don't sound horrible if you don't compare them to other states.

You can tell Gutterboy this all day. Hell, he sees it when they take him out for a ride. Doesn’t matter. He’s going to tell you it’s not happening. 

[SaintsInDome2006 876]

The point is “drilling” isn’t worth it. We’ve been the world’s biggest producer & exporter of oil & LNG since Obama. Meanwhile the world is moving on to multiple energy sources. In the UK right now the big deal is blocking the sale of Chinese EVs. And while Tesla sales have tanked  badly in (no exaggeration) every country but Norway, overall EV market sales are increasing. We’re getting left behind.

[Ron_Artest 2,720]

11 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You can tell Gutterboy this all day. Hell, he sees it when they take him out for a ride. Doesn’t matter. He’s going to tell you it’s not happening. 

GBDS

How could I possibly deny the price of gas?  Stfu.

[Strike 6,121]

1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The point is “drilling” isn’t worth it. We’ve been the world’s biggest producer & exporter of oil & LNG since Obama. Meanwhile the world is moving on to multiple energy sources. In the UK right now the big deal is blocking the sale of Chinese EVs. And while Tesla sales have tanked  badly in (no exaggeration) every country but Norway, overall sales are increasing. We’re getting left behind.

Left behind what?  All three of  my F250's run great.  They just need that beautiful fossil fuel.

[Ron_Artest 2,720]

1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The point is “drilling” isn’t worth it. We’ve been the world’s biggest producer & exporter of oil & LNG since Obama. Meanwhile the world is moving on to multiple energy sources. In the UK right now the big deal is blocking the sale of Chinese EVs. And while Tesla sales have tanked  badly in (no exaggeration) every country but Norway, overall sales are increasing. We’re getting left behind.

Exactly.

AND you have big oil saying it's not worth investing in Venezuela right now.

[SaintsInDome2006 876]

Just now, Strike said:

Left behind what?

The world energy, technological & manufacturing markets. We’re talking like it’s 1975, well except for the part where there’s an argument about the Arabs have outside influence over us. Now they just own our government.

[Horseman 2,838]

3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The point is “drilling” isn’t worth it. We’ve been the world’s biggest producer & exporter of oil & LNG since Obama. Meanwhile the world is moving on to multiple energy sources. In the UK right now the big deal is blocking the sale of Chinese EVs. And while Tesla sales have tanked  badly in (no exaggeration) every country but Norway, overall EV market sales are increasing. We’re getting left behind.

Youre nuts. 

[Strike 6,121]

1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The world energy, technological & manufacturing markets. We’re talking like it’s 1975, well except for the part where there’s an argument about the Arabs have outside influence over us. Now they just own our government.

Are newer forms of transportation banned here or something?  Last time I checked the company responsible for the electric car revolution was founded here and is still the market leader.  So spare me your SJW virtue signaling.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,207]

6 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The point is “drilling” isn’t worth it. We’ve been the world’s biggest producer & exporter of oil & LNG since Obama. Meanwhile the world is moving on to multiple energy sources. In the UK right now the big deal is blocking the sale of Chinese EVs. And while Tesla sales have tanked  badly in (no exaggeration) every country but Norway, overall EV market sales are increasing. We’re getting left behind.

Really? Why is Europe buying Russian oil and gas? And please explain the pipelines into Europe. Thanks 

[Strike 6,121]

2 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Youre nuts. 

He used to be such a good poster.  Trump broke him bad