ICE raid reported at Philly car wash

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38 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Based on quick Google search about people being prosecuted for it, it's doubtful either party would want to do that.  Aside from the financial benefits Tim has outlined(agree or not), and my earlier statement about businesses, politicians and cash; what political party want to be seen going after business owners/leaders who presumably provide a lot of legal jobs in the community?  

"Hi, I'm John Doe from District 4, remember when I closed those two plants that were essential to the community for hiring illegals, well I would like your vote and if you can, a cash donation to support my next election".  

And that's the problem, as a country we don't want to address the root cause - people will hire migrants because they can make more money off of their work and it provides cheaper goods for us..  And for the migrants, they can make more money here safely than they can in their home countries.  

From a social-science point of view, I'm very curious to see if actual large scale deportations were to take place what will be the results, will prices rise, will companies have to close doors/relocate because they can't get labor... 

That would clearly happen if in the stroke of a magic wand all the illegals were taken away at once.  They will not be.  They will be taken away in crements.  The process will take years if not a decade.  Congress could use that time to pass and implement a guest worker program which would fill the voids.  We would then have legal guest workers.  Guest workers who are vetted against criminal behavior, immunized against infectious diseases, provided proper I.D., likely minimally insured for health care and for driving.  They would be gladly welcomed by employers and by consumers.

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51 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Based on quick Google search about people being prosecuted for it, it's doubtful either party would want to do that.  Aside from the financial benefits Tim has outlined(agree or not), and my earlier statement about businesses, politicians and cash; what political party want to be seen going after business owners/leaders who presumably provide a lot of legal jobs in the community?  

"Hi, I'm John Doe from District 4, remember when I closed those two plants that were essential to the community for hiring illegals, well I would like your vote and if you can, a cash donation to support my next election".  

And that's the problem, as a country we don't want to address the root cause - people will hire migrants because they can make more money off of their work and it provides cheaper goods for us..  And for the migrants, they can make more money here safely than they can in their home countries.  

From a social-science point of view, I'm very curious to see if actual large scale deportations were to take place what will be the results, will prices rise, will companies have to close doors/relocate because they can't get labor... 

illegals dont hold as many jobs as you are led to believe

1% of them work in farming for example

 

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Why work, Biden was giving them essentials for free.  

Psalm 21:13.  Be thou exalted, Lord, in thine own strength , so will we sing and praise thy power.  Indeed Amen Thanks 

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1 hour ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

illegals dont hold as many jobs as you are led to believe

1% of them work in farming for example

 

Well you’re off by about 48 percentage points: 

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/farm-workforce-modernization-act-2021#:~:text=There are an estimated 2.5,an 18-month application period.

“Data from the U.S. Department of Labor estimates that 49% of farm workers are undocumented” 

But hey pretty close right? 

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39 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Why work, Biden was giving them essentials for free.  

Psalm 21:13.  Be thou exalted, Lord, in thine own strength , so will we sing and praise thy power.  Indeed Amen Thanks 

Guarantee you they work harder than you, me, and everyone else reading this. 

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1 hour ago, Mike Honcho said:

Based on quick Google search about people being prosecuted for it, it's doubtful either party would want to do that.  Aside from the financial benefits Tim has outlined(agree or not), and my earlier statement about businesses, politicians and cash; what political party want to be seen going after business owners/leaders who presumably provide a lot of legal jobs in the community?  

"Hi, I'm John Doe from District 4, remember when I closed those two plants that were essential to the community for hiring illegals, well I would like your vote and if you can, a cash donation to support my next election".  

And that's the problem, as a country we don't want to address the root cause - people will hire migrants because they can make more money off of their work and it provides cheaper goods for us..  And for the migrants, they can make more money here safely than they can in their home countries.  

From a social-science point of view, I'm very curious to see if actual large scale deportations were to take place what will be the results, will prices rise, will companies have to close doors/relocate because they can't get labor... 

I definitely agree with the premise, I disagree with you on the root cause though.  I think you're substantially over simplifying the reason business want the cheaper labor.  Overhead is the highest expense for businesses.  The best way for businesses to keep costs down and compete is to reduce costs where they can and still put out a product that people will buy.  I think unions and the governments force of unions is a major cause, plus the encouragement in the 70's for businesses to operate overseas, and the growing arbitrary increase of minimum wages.  Those 3 things over the last 50 years as whole, all are major contributing factors to the reasons businesses are not only choosing to hire illegals, but are almost forced to hire them.  Both parties are implicit in these 3 things, it's why I'll never understand why ANYONE would put their trust in any establishment politician.

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12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Guarantee you they work harder than you, me, and everyone else reading this. 

DEI Car Washers  

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2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I definitely agree with the premise, I disagree with you on the root cause though.  I think you're substantially over simplifying the reason business want the cheaper labor.  Overhead is the highest expense for businesses.  The best way for businesses to keep costs down and compete is to reduce costs where they can and still put out a product that people will buy.  I think unions and the governments force of unions is a major cause, plus the encouragement in the 70's for businesses to operate overseas, and the growing arbitrary increase of minimum wages.  Those 3 things over the last 50 years as whole, all are major contributing factors to the reasons businesses are not only choosing to hire illegals, but are almost forced to hire them.  Both parties are implicit in these 3 things, it's why I'll never understand why ANYONE would put their trust in any establishment politician.

Those are good points that I need to add to the overall equation. Thanks for the discussion.   

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1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I definitely agree with the premise, I disagree with you on the root cause though.  I think you're substantially over simplifying the reason business want the cheaper labor.  Overhead is the highest expense for businesses.  The best way for businesses to keep costs down and compete is to reduce costs where they can and still put out a product that people will buy.  I think unions and the governments force of unions is a major cause, plus the encouragement in the 70's for businesses to operate overseas, and the growing arbitrary increase of minimum wages.  Those 3 things over the last 50 years as whole, all are major contributing factors to the reasons businesses are not only choosing to hire illegals, but are almost forced to hire them.  Both parties are implicit in these 3 things, it's why I'll never understand why ANYONE would put their trust in any establishment politician.

These are all good points. 
 

Except- while I don’t exactly TRUST establishment politicians, I prefer them heavily to the non-establishment ones. You giving them (the establishment) way too much blame for events that were nobody’s fault in particular and certainly not planned beforehand. The main reason I prefer establishment guys is because my main concern is chaotic change. I don’t like “blowing things up”; too many unpredictable consequences. The establishment tends to be conservative (by that I don’t mean in terms of left or right, but cautious about change.) 

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17 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

they work harder

What do you mean "They"? 

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2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

What do you mean "They"? 

They them. 
 

J/K. What I mean is that undocumented people, as a general rule, work harder and longer hours and more grueling work than do the vast majority of legal people here. 

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32 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well you’re off by about 48 percentage points: 

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/farm-workforce-modernization-act-2021#:~:text=There are an estimated 2.5,an 18-month application period.

“Data from the U.S. Department of Labor estimates that 49% of farm workers are undocumented” 

But hey pretty close right? 

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31 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Guarantee you they work harder than you, me, and everyone else reading this. 

Most of us aren't nepobabies and had to work hard for our success.  Don't extrapolate your experience to the rest of us.

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4 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

WHO WILL WASH THE CARS??

Plenty of able-bodied young men and women with Liberal arts/pottery degrees living with mom and dad because they can stay on their healthcare plan until age 26.

 

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well you’re off by about 48 percentage points: 

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/farm-workforce-modernization-act-2021#:~:text=There are an estimated 2.5,an 18-month application period.

“Data from the U.S. Department of Labor estimates that 49% of farm workers are undocumented” 

But hey pretty close right? 

Reading is fundamental bro

i said 1% of illegals work in farming. Not 1% of farm workers are illegals

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41 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

They them.

That's so racist 

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31 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

These are all good points. 
 

Except- while I don’t exactly TRUST establishment politicians, I prefer them heavily to the non-establishment ones. You giving them (the establishment) way too much blame for events that were nobody’s fault in particular and certainly not planned beforehand. The main reason I prefer establishment guys is because my main concern is chaotic change. I don’t like “blowing things up”; too many unpredictable consequences. The establishment tends to be conservative (by that I don’t mean in terms of left or right, but cautious about change.) 

I'm the opposite.  Every establishment politician will continue to keep things broken.  Give me a new person any day of the week.  Blowing things up is exactly what is needed because keeping things cautious is how the establishment politicians stay rich and the middle class gets pushed to the curb.  The overwhelming majority of this country is middle class and they let the establishment politicians con them into thinking that they have all the answers.  Meanwhile, they're sitting in their 7 and 8 figure gated-community homes with no cares in the world helping their 1% buddies find loopholes in the tax codes and leaving us the bill to pay for the lower class... on top of that, chanting "Tax the Rich".  Yeah, fock them... all 537 (historically), them.  You keep voting for establishment and then keep complaining about the results.  The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

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10 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Reading is fundamental bro

i said 1% of illegals work in farming. Not 1% of farm workers are illegals

Well since there are 2.4 million farm workers in this country, and half of them are undocumented, for your percentage  to be correct that would mean there are 120 million undocumented people in this country. 
 

Hmm. I think you may be a little off on that one too…want to try again? 

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12 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Reading is fundamental bro

i said 1% of illegals work in farming. Not 1% of farm workers are illegals

The estimation is that there's approximately 12 Million illegal immigrants in the country.  I have NO DOUBT there's more than that.  Let's say they're right.... there's approximately 2.7 million farm workers in the US and if 49% are illegals that's roughly 10%.  You weren't all that far off.  Personally, I think the number of illegals in this country is double, what they're reporting.

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4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

The estimation is that there's approximately 12 Million illegal immigrants in the country.  I have NO DOUBT there's more than that.  Let's say they're right.... there's approximately 2.7 million farm workers in the US and if 49% are illegals that's roughly 10%.  You weren't all that far off.  Personally, I think the number of illegals in this country is double, what they're reporting.

His overall point, for which he provided dubious statistics without any backup, is that undocumented Americans don’t work all that hard. That goes against everything I have ever heard or read on this topic. 
 

And lol at “you weren’t that far off”. Dude. 

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12 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I'm the opposite.  Every establishment politician will continue to keep things broken.  Give me a new person any day of the week.  Blowing things up is exactly what is needed because keeping things cautious is how the establishment politicians stay rich and the middle class gets pushed to the curb.  The overwhelming majority of this country is middle class and they let the establishment politicians con them into thinking that they have all the answers.  Meanwhile, they're sitting in their 7 and 8 figure gated-community homes with no cares in the world helping their 1% buddies find loopholes in the tax codes and leaving us the bill to pay for the lower class... on top of that, chanting "Tax the Rich".  Yeah, fock them... all 537 (historically), them.  You keep voting for establishment and then keep complaining about the results.  The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Well we have different governing philosophies. Which is fine. 

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10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well since there are 2.4 million farm workers in this country, and half of them are undocumented, for your percentage  to be correct that would mean there are 120 million undocumented people in this country. 
 

Hmm. I think you may be a little off on that one too…want to try again? 

there are at least 25 million illegals in this country

so that means there are 1 million farm workers

so close to 4% I propose letting all farm workers stay and get rid of EVERYONE else

 

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Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

there are at least 25 million illegals in this country

so that means there are 1 million farm workers

so close to 4% I propose letting all farm workers stay and get rid of EVERYONE else

 

But they also comprise large percentages of construction workers, restaurant workers, general day laborers…basically the crap work in every profession. Who’s gonna do it? 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

But they also comprise large percentages of construction workers, restaurant workers, general day laborers…basically the crap work in every profession. Who’s gonna do it? 

Americans

they can go back to their country and apply for work visas

I am glad you are pro slavery, it sucks you think they aren't capable of anything other than that

also did you miss the part, where I DONT CARE.  Don't break the law, if we need workers we can allow more in LEGALLY

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Guarantee you they work harder than you, me, and everyone else reading this. 

Nope. 

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10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

But they also comprise large percentages of construction workers, restaurant workers, general day laborers…basically the crap work in every profession. Who’s gonna do it? 

Ex- cons?

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10 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Americans

they can go back to their country and apply for work visas

I am glad you are pro slavery, it sucks you think they aren't capable of anything other than that

also did you miss the part, where I DONT CARE.  Don't break the law, if we need workers we can allow more in LEGALLY

I’m not pro-slavery. Nobody’s forced to work. They come here for the same reason my great-grandparents did, willing to work incredibly long and hard hours so that their children and children’s children can have better lives. I know you care a lot about the choices they took to come here; personally I don’t. What they do when they get here is all that matters to me. 

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16 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

His overall point, for which he provided dubious statistics without any backup, is that undocumented Americans don’t work all that hard. That goes against everything I have ever heard or read on this topic. 
 

And lol at “you weren’t that far off”. Dude. 

That's not what I got from his comments.  You said they work harder than American's.  I believe his point in response to that is that American's work harder than you think.

Also, he wasn't that far off.  He said 1% of illegal immigrants work on farms.  If we're taking the governments word (I know I'm not), for it that there's only 12M in the US, that's 10%.  I think the number is double, of what they're saying, so I'm thinking the total number is 5% in farming.  That's not far off 1%.  He's a lot closer than you thinking it was 49%.

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19 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well we have different governing philosophies. Which is fine. 

Certainly, but doing the same thing over and over again (meaning, constantly voting establishment), and expecting different results, is the definition of insanity.

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17 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Americans

they can go back to their country and apply for work visas

I am glad you are pro slavery, it sucks you think they aren't capable of anything other than that

also did you miss the part, where I DONT CARE.  Don't break the law, if we need workers we can allow more in LEGALLY

He doesn't get it.  He never will.

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31 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m not pro-slavery. Nobody’s forced to work. They come here for the same reason my great-grandparents did, willing to work incredibly long and hard hours so that their children and children’s children can have better lives. I know you care a lot about the choices they took to come here; personally I don’t. What they do when they get here is all that matters to me. 

your argument is the same argument of the pro slavery south

who is gonna pick the crops and do the manual labor

we then went 200 years without issue

when they get here they already have strike one, if they do ANYTHING it should be immediate deportation, unfortunately your party doesn't agree and thats why we have seen the absolute pendulum swing

 

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Ain’t no crops getting picked in NYC. 

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Aren't all car washes automated now anyway? Is Philly stuck in the 70"s? 

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16 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Guarantee you they work harder than you, me, and everyone else reading this. 

You’re probably right. If I stopped going to school at a young age, couldn’t speak the native language fluently and didn’t have a particular skill set, I would have to work much harder. But I guess that’s my privilege shining through and I should be ashamed. 

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15 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

He doesn't get it.  He never will.

I don’t know why you guys argue with this putz he didn’t even read the article he posted. He’s using guest worker numbers. They apply for a work visa., Pick lettuce for 18 months and go home and apply again. They are documented. And yes this is government and big Agra in collusion to import slave labor. Also, to say Americans don’t work hard jobs is complete bullsh!t. He’s never done a roofing job in 90 degree heat in his life, he’s never done masonry work in scorching heat, and, he’s never built a deck in 80 percent humidity in the northeast. 

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Weird the 2 guys that pick up my trash every week are 2 pasty white guys. Sh!tlib doesn’t think they work hard. 

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14 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Aren't all car washes automated now anyway? Is Philly stuck in the 70"s? 

They have these car washes here in Mass where you drive through the automated part, park and then 5 tiny people from Central America pile in and go to town on it for 20 bucks. 

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15 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

5 tiny people from Central America pile in and go to town on it for 20 bucks. 

Can't Elon make a robot to do that? 

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6 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Can't Elon make a robot to do that? 

Eventually 

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25 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Can't Elon make a robot to do that? 

Maybe he's having difficulty programing it to steal your quarters and your sun glasses from the center console.  It is also having difficulty changing your radio presets to all spanish language and music  programming.