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LIBERATION DAY: USA and China agree to a 90 day pause on most new tariffs

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11 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

The GOP - the party of change and new ideas.  

WTF? Are you this stupid? No wonder why you can't figure out how animation worked in the 1970s. Even though that was your JOB. 

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46 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Trump just said the federal income tax should be abolished.

I get it, he wants to return to pre-1913. That's how it was then, tariffs - federal ad valorum or sales taxes - and no federal income tax.

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This guy knows stuff.  :thumbsup:

 

 

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3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I get it, he wants to return to pre-1913. That's how it was then, tariffs - federal ad valorum or sales taxes - and no federal income tax.

Seems like with the amount of money the government wastes and doesnt tell us about on frivolous things...could pay for the income tax.   

Tariffs aside because who knows what the end game is there or how to do it.  I dont.  

But for DOGE, im totally good with it.  Any American throughout time would like better understanding of what their taxes are used for.  But if it is Trump that is trying to do it, then a portion of people all of a sudden dont want to know or dont want the government to be less reckless with their earned money.  Party lines are erased on this issue in my eyes.  People want their taxes to be used for you know....roads (we have some crap up here in WNY because of winters and funds going to NYC).  People dont like what comes out of their check.  No one does.  Maybe DOGE could havr been implemented better/at a better pace/ect....but anyone against knowing and slashing ridiculous spendingof hour tax dollar is just being partisan.   Every wants that in some form.  

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34 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

what do you suggest we do to get manufacturing jobs in the USA and to get people to start buying American made products? Status quo bs wasn’t working

This is the post-WW2 trend of manufacturing in the American economy.

The Republicans used to incentivize foreign corporations to come here by granting them massive tax breaks. Biden himself arranged for VW to do just that in 2023 and my guess he did something similar. Other European and Asian car manufacturers have been relocating to the South because of a lack of collective bargaining.

This reminds me of the liberals with Obamacare/ACA. There is always a cost. If you want to bring manufacturing back you'll have to carve out a ton of our GDP devoted to foreign trade, pay a lot (like a lot, lot, lot) more for your goods, (especially if you're simultaneously cutting back on immigrant labor) decrease opportunities for Americans to work in tech, media, service and other fields, and also shave back entitlements so that Americans are forced into factories like what happens in the 3rd world countries that we currently buy en masse from. 

And before you respond please look at the graph I linked to.

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3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

This guy knows stuff.  :thumbsup:

 

 

Glad to see you Jerry.  Didnt give any well wishes pre, but hope everything went as well as it could.  

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Just making sure I got this right

Trump writes the book Art of the Deal. He is a master at getting deals for himself and his company.

He makes the entire world think he's gone tariff crazy, and then gets the world to act relieved the base tariff is only 10%.

Liberals assume he lost the deal knowing all of that info.

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6 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I thought you lived near the edge of the grid.  That seems like a posh collection of car makes for such a location.  :dunno: 

When we moved out here we were under dark night skies and had antelope strolling through our yard.  25 years later and the suburbs have caught up to me.  I am looking at places further out.  All depends on the economy since I am retired and rely now on my investments.

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9 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

This guy knows stuff.  :thumbsup:

 

 

This guy too. :thumbsup: 

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2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

When we moved out here we were under dark night skies and had anteloope strolling through our yard.  25 years later and the suburbs have caught up to me.  I amm looking at places further out.  All depends on the economy since I am retired and rely now on my investments.

If you can do it,  dont look back.   I live rural and on the outer side of town.  There isnt too much squeeze here.  If I was retired and had the means with no commute....id go out as far out as I could.  Nothing beats it, of course if you like the outdoors and everything that comes with it.  Which you do.  

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2 minutes ago, MDC said:

This guy too. :thumbsup: 

But we aren't at the end of the Art of the Deal yet. All of these countries consider him serious enough to come to the table.

I am a little concerned about China. If Trump wins too much too soon. Pooh Bear might decide to accelerate actions on Taiwan.

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Itd be cool if we didnt become totally dependent on cheap goods.  But we are.  Its been ingrained into this society for so long.  The idea of not seems to be not realistic.   We buy items that are made with child labor yet a portion of our population smacks the table to oppose things of that nature.  

A typical Lib has a new IPhone whatever more so than a Repub. Pound for pound. Yet they will be the ones banging the table for worker conditions and exploitation of anything.  Its funny.  Support saving the earth but have an amazon box at their door eveey other day full of China made, non eco friendly goods.  It cracks me up.  

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19 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

If you can do it,  dont look back.   I live rural and on the outer side of town.  There isnt too much squeeze here.  If I was retired and had the means with no commute....id go out as far out as I could.  Nothing beats it, of course if you like the outdoors and everything that comes with it.  Which you do.  

I'm a country boy.  I married a painted up City woman.  Over the years she has come around to my way of viewing the world so she will move further out. I require at least 5 acres and at least a four car garaage.  I'd like to be able to shoot on or near my property. 

Oh, she still looks good with a fresh coat of paint.

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So Trump announced no extra tariffs above the 10%. Market rejoices. Tariffs on China still in play.

Liberals claim Trump folded. Why would be leave the most important tariffs on then? It logically makes no sense. I'm tell you libs, if you hate Trump it is clouding your judgement.

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27 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Just making sure I got this right

Trump writes the book Art of the Deal. He is a master at getting deals for himself and his company.

He makes the entire world think he's gone tariff crazy, and then gets the world to act relieved the base tariff is only 10%.

Liberals assume he lost the deal knowing all of that info.

🤣🤣

What did he win?

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1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

Liberals are continuing to prove themselves stupid. 

I never thought I’d see mocking and outwardly rooting against our country but here we are

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Any climate person should be thrilled to maybe do less business with the worlds biggest polluter.  But again, caring about the environment comes with conditions.  

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9 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

What did he win?

I told you. Look at the companies who are investing in the US. Oh you think it's just a coincidence that all of those companies are investing a ton of money after Trump campaigned on bringing business back to the US. Well I hate to break it to you, but it's not.

More will come. You should be more grateful.

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6 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

I never thought I’d see mocking and outwardly rooting against our country but here we are

They are pissed Trump came out on top, even if it means they came out on top. People like Tim claim they aren't rooting against the US just to see Trump lose, but I have a hard time believing that.

We should all be celebrating this. Cheer up anti Trumpers!

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8 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I'm taking a wait and see approach.  Maybe some favorable trade deals happen in the next 90 days.  Maybe

Im wait and see on all of it.  On one hand I like the idea.  I feel we get shafted because we have the means.  I would love to have a more fair tariff program in place and get some manufacturing jobs back here.  But its a long game that Americans cant stomach.   And im not sure thr angles on throwing big tariffs wildly onto countries then taking them back.  I think Trump (he always talks about holding cards) is thr type to get aggressive with a big chip count.  America has cards.  So hes trying to be aggressive.  I get it, I just dont know where it is going or what thr end game will be.  Implementing big changes in American politics is basically not achievable.  People dont like the stock market, they get voted out, and things are reversed even if they start working by that time.  To me, making any big change in American politics is suicide.  And its probably by design.  

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34 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

But we aren't at the end of the Art of the Deal yet. All of these countries consider him serious enough to come to the table.

We don’t even know what the goal is. Fentanyl, manufacturing, not being “screwed” etc. It’s genius because Trump can declare victory at any time. 

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7 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

I told you. Look at the companies who are investing in the US. Oh you think it's just a coincidence that all of those companies are investing a ton of money after Trump campaigned on bringing business back to the US. Well I hate to break it to you, but it's not.

More will come. You should be more grateful.

So you agree that those investments have nothing to do with the tariffs correct?

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3 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I'm taking a wait and see approach.  Maybe some favorable trade deals happen in the next 90 days.  Maybe

I think this is wise. 
 

If trade deals are negotiated to our benefit (meaning lower tariffs on all sides) I will happily congratulate President Trump. Let’s see what actually happens. Leaving the tariffs in place would have been a catastrophe. The China tariffs, as they stand at this moment, will be a catastrophe. 

But- 10% across the board tariffs are bad in themselves. It’s not good for our economy to have a 10% tax on all imports. It’s stupid. 

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We also don’t know who came to the table, what they’re offering (if anything), and what will benefit us. So it’s wise to wait and see. 

But a question: if the point of the tariffs was to create pressure in order to get other nations to agree to new deals, then why relieve the pressure before any deals are done or even negotiated? That’s a little mystifying to me. 

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4 minutes ago, MDC said:

We don’t even know what the goal is. Fentanyl, manufacturing, not being “screwed” etc. It’s genius because Trump can declare victory at any time. 

I know right?!  So many areas to win at, it's like Christmas morning every day.  :cheers: 

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7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I think this is wise. 
 

If trade deals are negotiated to our benefit (meaning lower tariffs on all sides) I will happily congratulate President Trump. Let’s see what actually happens. Leaving the tariffs in place would have been a catastrophe. The China tariffs, as they stand at this moment, will be a catastrophe. 

But- 10% across the board tariffs are bad in themselves. It’s not good for our economy to have a 10% tax on all imports. It’s stupid. 

Because our little pea brains here in America cant fanthom not buying a bunch of junk from China.  We are a society that loves disposable things made from a country who cares little about pollution.  Yet those same people bang on the counter about pollution.  We rely on plastic.  Even the climate yellers.  A great proportion of climate sky screamers dont do much of anything to actually lessen their footprint.  Your college kid with a Palestine flag would rather buy 4 bottles of water and throw thrm in thr trash than fill up a watter jug.  Young people love convenience even if it goes against their beliefs.  

And I understand, many things with infrastructure come from China.  Not just disposable stuff.  But its true none the less.  

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3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I know right?!  So many areas to win at, it's like Christmas morning every day.  :cheers: 

You don’t know either, huh? :( 

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7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I think this is wise. 
 

If trade deals are negotiated to our benefit (meaning lower tariffs on all sides) I will happily congratulate President Trump. Let’s see what actually happens. Leaving the tariffs in place would have been a catastrophe. The China tariffs, as they stand at this moment, will be a catastrophe. 

But- 10% across the board tariffs are bad in themselves. It’s not good for our economy to have a 10% tax on all imports. It’s stupid. 

Definitely not out of the woods yet by a mile.  But today showed that the old man is not completely psychotic and he will listen to smarter people, same way he did in his first term.

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7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

We also don’t know who came to the table, what they’re offering (if anything), and what will benefit us. So it’s wise to wait and see. 

But a question: if the point of the tariffs was to create pressure in order to get other nations to agree to new deals, then why relieve the pressure before any deals are done or even negotiated? That’s a little mystifying to me. 

Because it's not true.

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Im honest enough to say it goes both ways.  

But Dems definitely are cheering a stock market collapse.  Its all about next election.  Always is.  Its American politics baby!

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8 minutes ago, MDC said:

You don’t know either, huh? :( 

No, if I did I'd be printing money investing appropriately.

If there is one common theme in Trump's actions, it can be summarized as:  the US is done being your biotch, now kiss the ring.  I imagine he hoped his tariffs would be some sort of magic solution, but they weren't (in the short term anyway), and he listened to people to pull them back.  But he has put the world on notice that we are changing the way we do trade.  Much like he told Europe we're done paying for your defense, and when Zelensky acted indignant at that meeting, Trump and Vance put him in his place, and now he seems more than willing to play ball.

I have long hated how places like Europe were "second handers" (to borrow an Atlas Shrugged phrase), glomming off on us for defense and antiquated post-WWII tariff deals, while looking down their nose at us.  Trump is changing that.  It's OK to step out of your troll persona and enjoy it, MDC.  :cheers: 

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1 minute ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Either it was all just a grift, or he's a lunatic that folded after enough people got to him.

No other alternatives.

See my post to MDC above.

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22 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Because our little pea brains here in America cant fanthom not buying a bunch of junk from China.  We are a society that loves disposable things made from a country who cares little about pollution.  Yet those same people bang on the counter about pollution.  We rely on plastic.  Even the climate yellers.  A great proportion of climate sky screamers dont do much of anything to actually lessen their footprint.  Your college kid with a Palestine flag would rather buy 4 bottles of water and throw thrm in thr trash than fill up a watter jug.  Young people love convenience even if it goes against their beliefs.  

And I understand, many things with infrastructure come from China.  Not just disposable stuff.  But its true none the less.  

Also, knowing that China is the largest contributor to climate change/greenhouse gases really just amazes me. Sure, they've promised to be better by 2060...but still. Come on. 

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Just now, The Psychic Observer said:

Either it was all just a grift, or he's a lunatic that folded after enough people got to him.

No other alternatives.

Lets wait and see.  I love how people here post all day each day saying same things yet haven't seen anything yet.   What if through this blimp our tariff ratio gets shortened some?   Would that not be good?  Hes literally not even 3 months into term.   Tariffs have hardly been released.  But commentary and opinions always reign supreme here.  

Omg omg omg.  Thats all I see here.  

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