The Girlfriend 208 Posted March 1 15 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: You don't know Eyeladies? He’s a Candice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,353 Posted March 1 1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said: The difference is it wasn’t in public. Right. Trump said "just one more question" right before Tiny Z made his move. Watch it again. He could have avoided the whole chitshow but he didn't because he knew he wasn't going to get an open checkbook like he did when he used to walk all over Biden. Tiny man threw a tantrum. Reminds me of GutterBoy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,583 Posted March 1 Just now, The Real timschochet said: Ukraine was invaded by a country led by an evil man. Russia is completely responsible and has murdered thousands of innocent people. Of course I will continue to root for Ukraine and Zelensky. I firmly believe they are the good guys in this struggle. Russia Vs Ukraine is a battle of bad vs not quite as bad. There are no angels , no good guys. Russia never should have went in . Zelensky really screwed the pooch today 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted March 1 I worked all day then took my son to practice, had dinner and finally cracked a beer like most red blooded Americans do. Just watched a 10 minute clip. Haven’t read one post or reply. Imagine being a world leader, traveling to another country who’s giving you more money than any other in the world to save you, and arguing with them. Nobody respects America or Americans. They take, take and take more. Then piss on our flag and talk poorly of us. The disrespect is rooted in our weakness to stand up for our country. The litmus test is proving the opposite. Imagine you, said Geek, traveling to France, Brazil, Pakistan, Romania, Mexico, China, wherever and marching against their government and waving the American flag in their country. Thats nuts. You wouldn’t do that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,583 Posted March 1 2 minutes ago, Horseman said: Right. Trump said "just one more question" right before Tiny Z made his move. Watch it again. He could have avoided the whole chitshow but he didn't because he knew he wasn't going to get an open checkbook like he did when he used to walk all over Biden. Tiny man threw a tantrum. Reminds me of GutterBoy. The little fella should have saved his petulance for the lunch behind closed doors. He tried to ambush Donald and JD in front of the cameras Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,353 Posted March 1 1 minute ago, HellToupee said: The little fella should have saved his petulance for the lunch behind closed doors. He tried to ambush Donald and JD in front of the cameras Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,391 Posted March 1 2 minutes ago, HellToupee said: Zelensky really screwed the pooch today Not really. Is our support for Ukraine supposed to be predicated on whether he wears a suit or thanks Trump enough? That’s really childish don’t you think? Our support, as always, should be based solely on whether in its our best interests to support them. I think we can all at least agree on that basic idea. I say it still is, though I expect many of you to disagree with me. The minerals deal is still on the table and we need it. I have an optimistic feeling we’ll get it done, because in the end Zelensky needs our support as well. 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,353 Posted March 1 2 minutes ago, KSB2424 said: I worked all day then took my son to practice, had dinner and finally cracked a beer like most red blooded Americans do. Just watched a 10 minute clip. Haven’t read one post or reply. Imagine being a world leader, traveling to another country who’s giving you more money than any other in the world to save you, and arguing with them. Nobody respects America or Americans. They take, take and take more. Then piss on our flag and talk poorly of us. The disrespect is rooted in our weakness to stand up for our country. The litmus test is proving the opposite. Imagine you, said Geek, traveling to France, Brazil, Pakistan, Romania, Mexico, China, wherever and marching against their government and waving the American flag in their country. Thats nuts. You wouldn’t do that. Try watching the 40 minutes prior to the 10 minutes being shown on everywhere. It's even more pathetic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tebok 284 Posted March 1 1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said: Not really. Is our support for Ukraine supposed to be pr.edicated on whether he wears a suit or thanks Trump enough? That’s really childish don’t you think? Our support, as always, should be based solely on whether in its our best interests to support them. I think we can all at least agree on that basic idea. I say it still is, though I expect many of you to disagree with me. The minerals deal is still on the table and we need it. I have an optimistic feeling we’ll get it done, because in the end Zelensky needs our support as well. Yeah, and I just so a video montage of Zelensky repeatedly thanking the United States. This was a calculated ambush so Trump could do his tough-guy doosh thing in front of the cameras, as underscored by saying at the end that this would make great TV. Shameful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,391 Posted March 1 4 minutes ago, KSB2424 said: Then piss on our flag and talk poorly of us. I really have to challenge this. Trump says the same thing all the time, but I don’t see any evidence of it, certainly not from Zelensky. His only disagreement with Trump was about who started the war. How exactly was he being disrespectful. As always, for much of the press conference Trump told lie after lie after lie. (For example the tired lie that we’ve given 380 billion to Ukraine and received nothing back.) Zelensky could have interrupted him several times and said that’s just not true. He didn’t. Out of politeness he kept his mouth shut for the most part, disagreeing only when Trump argued that we should trust Putin. And he wasn’t rude or disrespectful about it. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,353 Posted March 1 5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Not really. Is our support for Ukraine supposed to be predicated on whether he wears a suit or thanks Trump enough? That’s really childish don’t you think? Our support, as always, should be based solely on whether in its our best interests to support them. I think we can all at least agree on that basic idea. I say it still is, though I expect many of you to disagree with me. The minerals deal is still on the table and we need it. I have an optimistic feeling we’ll get it done, because in the end Zelensky needs our support as well. You're a simpleton of the highest order. The US needs minerals like I need more money. It would be nice, but, I don't really need it. Tiny Z needs US support like I need oxygen to breath. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,583 Posted March 1 2 minutes ago, Tebok said: Yeah, and I just so a video montage of Zelensky repeatedly thanking the United States. This was a calculated ambush so Trump could do his tough-guy doosh thing in front of the cameras, as underscored by saying at the end that this would make great TV. Shameful. This wasn’t an ambush by Donald & JD . To the contrary zelensky tried to ambush Donald & JD in front of the cameras . His body language and facial expressions were treated much differently than Joementia and whoever did the talking for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tebok 284 Posted March 1 1 minute ago, HellToupee said: This wasn’t an ambush by Donald & JD . To the contrary zelensky tried to ambush Donald & JD in front of the cameras . His body language and facial expressions were treated much differently than Joementia and whoever did the talking for him. Cool. Someone needs to post the whole thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,391 Posted March 1 3 minutes ago, Tebok said: Yeah, and I just so a video montage of Zelensky repeatedly thanking the United States. This was a calculated ambush so Trump could do his tough-guy doosh thing in front of the cameras, as underscored by saying at the end that this would make great TV. Shameful. Right. But I also think that the doom and gloom coming from the Democrats and MSNBC are wrong too. They say this isn’t fixable. I think it is, and I think in a few days Trump will talk to Zelensky again and it will be like none of this ever happened. I’m a lifelong Lakers fan. About 20 years ago there were these feuds between Shaq, Kobe Bryant, and Phil Jackson. They would each tell the Los Angeles Times completely unforgivable things about the others and you’d think, OK the team just blew up, they can’t possibly play together anymore. And then they’d go out and pretend none of it ever happened and they won 3 championships in a row all the while pointing fingers at each other (still the last team ever to do that.) All this is is just talk, it means nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,353 Posted March 1 4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: I really have to challenge this. Trump says the same thing all the time, but I don’t see any evidence of it, certainly not from Zelensky. His only disagreement with Trump was about who started the war. How exactly was he being disrespectful. Said he would not agree to a ceasefire. About a dozen times, how are you this stupid, you didn't even watch it ugh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,391 Posted March 1 4 minutes ago, Horseman said: You're a simpleton of the highest order. The US needs minerals like I need more money. It would be nice, but, I don't really need it. Tiny Z needs US support like I need oxygen to breath. No there are rare earth minerals that we don’t have and China does. And that’s the competition: us and China. That’s the big picture. I think even Trump gets this although apparently you don’t. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,353 Posted March 1 Just now, The Real timschochet said: No there are rare earth minerals that we don’t have and China does. And that’s the competition: us and China. That’s the big picture. I think even Trump gets this although apparently you don’t. So we're going to die and lose our country without these minerals? Answer: NO FFS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,391 Posted March 1 1 minute ago, Horseman said: Said he would not agree to a ceasefire. About a dozen times, how are you this stupid, you didn't even watch it ugh. He would not agree to a ceasefire without assurances of security and Russia agreed to withdraw from Ukraine. . How is that disrespectful? Why would he publicly agree to a ceasefire? If part of the USA was occupied by a foreign invader, would we ever agree to a ceasefire without the invader first withdrawing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patented Phil 1,469 Posted March 1 25 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Ukraine was invaded by a country led by an evil man. Russia is completely responsible and has murdered thousands of innocent people. Of course I will continue to root for Ukraine and Zelensky. I firmly believe they are the good guys in this struggle. Ukraine might be the lesser of two evils in this scenario, but don’t kid yourself – they are not “good guys.” Zelenskyy is corrupt, authoritarian, narcissistic, and not all that smart. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,391 Posted March 1 Just now, Horseman said: So we're going to die and lose our country without these minerals? Answer: NO FFS I keep forgetting who I’m responding to. Damn you’re such a moron. Go back to rooting for people to die in fires. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,353 Posted March 1 1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said: He would not agree to a ceasefire without assurances of security and Russia agreed to withdraw from Ukraine. . How is that disrespectful? Why would he publicly agree to a ceasefire? If part of the USA was occupied by a foreign invader, would we ever agree to a ceasefire without the invader first withdrawing? Blatant falsehood. It's pretty clear you didn't watch the whole thing. Stop giving us the MSNBC version. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236 Posted March 1 31 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: The difference is it wasn’t in public. And now you don’t want transparency? I’d rather see that. From what others have said that’s very common in a discussion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,353 Posted March 1 1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said: I keep forgetting who I’m responding to. Damn you’re such a moron. Go back to rooting for people to die in fires. Too easy. Take the L and crawl in bed with the beast. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,391 Posted March 1 1 minute ago, Patented Phil said: Ukraine might be the lesser of two evils in this scenario, but don’t kid yourself – they are not “good guys.” Zelenskyy is corrupt, authoritarian, narcissistic, and not all that smart. I don’t know that to be true. In the past I’ve never been a fan of Ukraine. Too much anti-Semitic history for me and a very corrupt state. But I like Zelensky, I like what I’ve heard from him (long before today.) I think most of the authoritarian stuff is coming from Russian propaganda and I don’t believe it. I think he personally is a good guy and honest. I’ve seen nothing to contradict that. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,391 Posted March 1 Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said: And now you don’t want transparency? I’d rather see that. From what others have said that’s very common in a discussion No I don’t want transparency in conversations between world leaders. I don’t think it’s a good or useful thing. I would prefer to learn about it afterwards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,797 Posted March 1 3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: No I don’t want transparency in conversations between world leaders. I don’t think it’s a good or useful thing. I would prefer to learn about it afterwards. Looks like you lose, yet again. Your drama queen heroine Zelensky lost her shlt for the world to see. Such a violent war monger she is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,583 Posted March 1 From @warclandestine Zelensky is a dead man walking. He has two options: A) Surrender, agree to ceasefire, Trump finds out where the money went in Ukraine, and he’s a dead man. Don’t surrender, Trump shuts off all support, Putin takes all of Ukraine, and he’s a dead man. Pick your poison. At least option A will spare the lives of many innocent Ukrainian and Russian soldiers, but no matter how you slice it, there is no scenario where Zelensky survives this. Zelensky just dug his own grave in front of the entire world. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patented Phil 1,469 Posted March 1 11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: I don’t know that to be true. In the past I’ve never been a fan of Ukraine. Too much anti-Semitic history for me and a very corrupt state. But I like Zelensky, I like what I’ve heard from him (long before today.) I think most of the authoritarian stuff is coming from Russian propaganda and I don’t believe it. I think he personally is a good guy and honest. I’ve seen nothing to contradict that. When was the last election in Ukraine? https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/zelensky-showing-authoritarian-traits-says-swiss-intelligence-report/48652496 https://www.cato.org/commentary/ukraines-accelerating-slide-authoritarianism https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-12-04/kyiv-mayor-accuses-zelenskiy-of-authoritarianism-ending-ukraines-political-truce.html Not that you’ll read any of this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,797 Posted March 1 1 minute ago, HellToupee said: From @warclandestine Zelensky is a dead man walking. He has two options: A) Surrender, agree to ceasefire, Trump finds out where the money went in Ukraine, and he’s a dead man. Don’t surrender, Trump shuts off all support, Putin takes all of Ukraine, and he’s a dead man. Pick your poison. At least option A will spare the lives of many innocent Ukrainian and Russian soldiers, but no matter how you slice it, there is no scenario where Zelensky survives this. Zelensky just dug his own grave in front of the entire world. He's either so embarrassed that he crawls back and saves face, or he's so defiant that he kills 100s of thousands more in a futile war that means nothing to the rest of the world and ends up a guy who wishes to be a martyr but only ends up a dead pile of ashes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,353 Posted March 1 Yep Let's be honest. No matter what you think of Trump. This is not good for Ukraine. Potentially fatal. But Trump!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,583 Posted March 1 We’re paying for the Ukraine government, pensions, payroll , welfare etc besides all the weaponry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patented Phil 1,469 Posted March 1 47 minutes ago, HellToupee said: Russia Vs Ukraine is a battle of bad vs not quite as bad. There are no angels , no good guys. Russia never should have went in . Zelensky really screwed the pooch today I agree. As do most people on the Right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shorepatrol 1,870 Posted March 1 7 minutes ago, HellToupee said: We’re paying for the Ukraine government, pensions, payroll , welfare etc besides all the weaponry We were. Daddy is home now and and the world can hear that china cabinet rattle when dad comes home from work and pulls up in his 74 Trailduster with dual tips. Better get your sh!t together 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,583 Posted March 1 3 minutes ago, Patented Phil said: I agree. As do most people on the Right. The ideologically possessed can’t see it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,391 Posted March 1 23 minutes ago, Patented Phil said: When was the last election in Ukraine? https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/zelensky-showing-authoritarian-traits-says-swiss-intelligence-report/48652496 https://www.cato.org/commentary/ukraines-accelerating-slide-authoritarianism https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-12-04/kyiv-mayor-accuses-zelenskiy-of-authoritarianism-ending-ukraines-political-truce.html Not that you’ll read any of this. I’ll read all of it. Cato is a source I trust. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,353 Posted March 1 That should be the end of TimCock tonight. Don't worry, he'll cry himself asleep then be back tomorrow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,391 Posted March 1 1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said: I’ll read all of it. Cato is a source I trust. The date of the Cato article is 2021. That’s prior to the invasion. I don’t think it’s relevant to the situation after the invasion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,391 Posted March 1 2 minutes ago, Horseman said: That should be the end of TimCock tonight. Don't worry, he'll cry himself asleep then be back tomorrow. You’re right but not for the reason you think. Lakers are playing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,906 Posted March 1 1 hour ago, TrailGuy said: You don't know Eyeladies? No I don’t. Some nerd thing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
