Zelenskyy is back for Sloppy Seconds, says he will work under Trump’s leadership as he proposes Ukraine peace plan

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

Femboy is back for Sloppy Seconds 

Volodymyr Zelenskyy has proposed a possible peace plan to end the war in Ukraine, saying he is willing to work “constructively” under Donald Trump’s “strong leadership” and to sign a deal giving the US access to his country’s mineral wealth.

In an attempt to mend fences with Washington after Trump abruptly suspended supplies of military aid, Zelenskyy said on Tuesday he was “ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible”.

[jbycho 580]

Liberals were elated and are now sad. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

4 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Liberals were elated and are now sad. 

Again, TRUMP GETS THE DEAL DONE! 

They'll never understand his genius level of negotiating. He's a Master 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

F@CKING BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!!!

[jbycho 580]

1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Again, TRUMP GETS THE DEAL DONE! 

They'll never understand his genius level of negotiating. He's a Master 

They can't see past their noses.

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

@The Real timschochet 

You couldn't understand, but now you do. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

Zelensky is pathetic. He came running back like a crackhead looking for a hit 

[thegeneral 2,883]

He was going to sign it before but Trump and JD had a little hissy fit

[jbycho 580]

6 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Zelensky is pathetic. He came running back like a crackhead looking for a hit 

All he had left in his bag of tricks was Europe.

Yikes! 

[thegeneral 2,883]

He should come back with a big fancy medal that is called the “Trump Freedom Medal” pin it on Don’s big clown tie. Tell him it is the highest honor and it is a signal of the greatest intelligence and courage and he alone has earned this.

Trump might send in some Rangers for Zelensky at that point.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

Uh-Oh, last word guy is in the thread.  Get ready for never having the last word.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

He was going to sign it before but Trump and JD had a little hissy fit

Yeah, because that's what happened.   

Revisionist history is strong with you . So is wish-casting.

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

He was going to sign it before but Trump and JD had a little hissy fit

Now watch how Trump gets even more out of the deal. This is how business is done General. 

[jbycho 580]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

He should come back with a big fancy medal that is called the “Trump Freedom Medal” pin it on Don’s big clown tie. Tell him it is the highest honor and it is a signal of the greatest intelligence and courage and he alone has earned this.

Trump might send in some Rangers for Zelensky at that point.

What message are you trying to to say generalgutterboy?

[shadrap 220]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

He was going to sign it before but Trump and JD had a little hissy fit

Z man wanted to toot his own horn on certain demands or requests at the last minute, then was put in his place.

I can see why you want to frame it that way though.  Trump bad.

Trump uncovers billions in abuse, fraud, & waste.  Trump bad.

Trump wants to save billions in taxpayer money & stop the killing of people in a European war.  Trump bad.

I think we got it.

[SaintsInDome2006 375]

55 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

He should come back with a big fancy medal that is called the “Trump Freedom Medal” pin it on Don’s big clown tie. Tell him it is the highest honor and it is a signal of the greatest intelligence and courage and he alone has earned this.

Trump might send in some Rangers for Zelensky at that point.

Change the country’s name to “Trumprovia” & change the national symbol from a soaring bird to a big “T”. The funds will flow like a waterfall of gold.

[SaintsInDome2006 375]

1 hour ago, jbycho said:

Liberals were elated and are now sad. 

This is what’s so bizarre - it was Trump’s idea, it was good for America (the US has had free rein to invest before but anyway) good for Ukraine (both for the investment & the arms)… win win win win. So just do it.

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

@The Real timschochet 

You couldn't understand, but now you do. 

Well to be honest I’m still a little confused. 
 

Here is a challenge for you: take a look at Zelensky’s statement and find something original in it that he did not propose until today. 

[shadrap 220]

1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

This is what’s so bizarre - it was Trump’s idea, it was good for America (the US has had free rein to invest before but anyway) good for Ukraine (both for the investment & the arms)… win win win win. So just do it.

any idea why Biden didn't get something material out of giving Ukraine billions?  sounds like Europe may be funding some serious defense now that Trump is threatening turning off the spigot.  this should be a good thing, right?

[shadrap 220]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well to be honest I’m still a little confused. 
 

Here is a challenge for you: take a look at Zelensky’s statement and find something original in it that he did not propose until today. 

appeared to me he tried to take over the room..JD & Trump didn't let him.  when you come begging you don't come off as demanding.

pretty simple really.  Biden had 3 years to do something other than write a blank check.

[SaintsInDome2006 375]

3 minutes ago, shadrap said:

any idea why Biden didn't get something material out of giving Ukraine billions?  sounds like Europe may be funding some serious defense now that Trump is threatening turning off the spigot.  this should be a good thing, right?

That’s what I’m saying, yes. I don’t like linking it & IMO to the Ukrainians it’s just getting a big investment deal, but really it doesn’t matter.

As for Biden, his policy was consistent with all US presidents since WW2. 

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

5 minutes ago, shadrap said:

appeared to me he tried to take over the room..JD & Trump didn't let him.  when you come begging you don't come off as demanding.

pretty simple really.  Biden had 3 years to do something other than write a blank check.

The main issue of contention on Friday was that Zelensky said he didn’t trust Russia to keep their word. That’s what started Vance attacking him and then Trump joined in.

In this letter Zelensky says he will agree to a ceasefire and several steps IF Russia does the same. So it sure seems to me like he’s saying the exact same thing: Ukraine wants peace but how can they trust Russia? 

Now the Trump folks may take this letter, call it a victory and sign the mineral agreement, but let’s not kid ourselves: if that happens it will be Trump reversing himself, not Zelensky. For some inexplicable reason Trump had a temper tantrum on Friday but now he will do the right thing, hopefully. (It was just reported that Trump may reverse himself on the tariffs too as early as tomorrow.) 

[avoiding injuries 1,505]

This is a great opportunity for dems to give Trump a sliver of credit…but it won’t happen. 

[squistion 1,944]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

In this letter Zelensky says he will agree to a ceasefire and several steps IF Russia does the same. So it sure seems to me like he’s saying the exact same thing: Ukraine wants peace but how can they trust Russia? 

Of course he is. No difference. No capitulation. No groveling to Trump. 

[jbycho 580]

38 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well to be honest I’m still a little confused. 

Shocking..

[jbycho 580]

16 minutes ago, squistion said:

Of course he is. No difference. No capitulation. No groveling to Trump. 

What?

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2 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

@The Real timschochet 

You couldn't understand, but now you do. 

You got ahead of yourself. He's says still a little confused and - to be honest - I feel the same way. There's a bit of whiplash going on. 

[squistion 1,944]

3 minutes ago, jbycho said:

What?

No difference. No capitulation. No groveling to Trump. 

[thegeneral 2,883]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Now watch how Trump gets even more out of the deal. This is how business is done General. 

He’ll tell you that for sure. What was the deal before?

[jbycho 580]

Just now, squistion said:

No difference. No capitulation. No groveling to Trump. 

Except for the groveling part. 

[thegeneral 2,883]

1 hour ago, jbycho said:

What message are you trying to to say generalgutterboy?

Peefoam - you just cater to this dude’s vanity. It’s off the charts, he’s nuts.

[thegeneral 2,883]

1 hour ago, shadrap said:

Z man wanted to toot his own horn on certain demands or requests at the last minute, then was put in his place.

I can see why you want to frame it that way though.  Trump bad.

Trump uncovers billions in abuse, fraud, & waste.  Trump bad.

Trump wants to save billions in taxpayer money & stop the killing of people in a European war.  Trump bad.

I think we got it.

Ending the war would be great. Giving asshat Putin everything after so much has been sacrificed is madness and crazy to me. 

[squistion 1,944]

2 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Except for the groveling part. 

If he is repeating the same thing he said before, that isn't groveling. 

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So basically Z went parading around Europe.  Looked at his new saviors and was like "yeah this aint going to work".  

Europe is so weak these days.  But hey they are mostly super woke.   It goes hand in hand.  "Rearm Europe".  Lol.  

Z got pantsed.  Hey its a better outcome for "his" people than the alternative of Biden, who would have just kept funding an unwinnable war with major casualties.

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14 minutes ago, squistion said:

If he is repeating the same thing he said before, that isn't groveling. 

He's a De niro  actor level idiot. 

He has nothing else but popularity. They all die if Trump doesn't take control of things. 

[Mark Davis 338]

It's funny how the shades of the debate are now how we are going about finding a deal to end this war.  This war was never going to end under Biden.  Succeed or fail I give Trump credit for getting the process started.  Ukraine is incapable of maintaining this stalemate long term strictly from a manpower standpoint alone.  A deal is the only long term answer for Ukraine.  If you're on the side of Ukraine, it's the same as it ever was, the best possible outcome is ending the war under the best possible deal.  Defeating the Russian military was never a possibility.

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

1 hour ago, avoiding injuries said:

This is a great opportunity for dems to give Trump a sliver of credit…but it won’t happen. 

I give him credit for the minerals deal. I think it’s a good deal. I hesitated with that at first but I’m sold. He should have signed it on Friday. 

I don’t give Trump credit for Friday. I thought that was horrible. I don’t give Trump credit for giving in to just about all of Putin’s demands. I think that’s horrible too. 

[seafoam1 2,798]

14 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

It's funny how the shades of the debate are now how we are going about finding a deal to end this war.  This war was never going to end under Biden.  Succeed or fail I give Trump credit for getting the process started.  Ukraine is incapable of maintaining this stalemate long term strictly from a manpower standpoint alone.  A deal is the only long term answer for Ukraine.  If you're on the side of Ukraine, it's the same as it ever was, the best possible outcome is ending the war under the best possible deal.  Defeating the Russian military was never a possibility.

First time since it has started. Focking liberals have been destructive and tiring. 

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

16 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

It's funny how the shades of the debate are now how we are going about finding a deal to end this war.  This war was never going to end under Biden.  Succeed or fail I give Trump credit for getting the process started.  Ukraine is incapable of maintaining this stalemate long term strictly from a manpower standpoint alone.  A deal is the only long term answer for Ukraine.  If you're on the side of Ukraine, it's the same as it ever was, the best possible outcome is ending the war under the best possible deal.  Defeating the Russian military was never a possibility.

“At least he’s trying to do something” is just not going to be a compelling argument for most people. It wasn’t for Biden and it won’t be for Trump. Especially in this case because overall he’s making it worse. 

[jonmx 2,424]

2 hours ago, thegeneral said:

He was going to sign it before but Trump and JD had a little hissy fit

Hey retard, did you actually watch it????

Zelenski sent the whole thing off the rails when he made it very clear he had zero interest in a ceasefire or a peace agreement.  He only want more billions.   That is when JD jumped on him.