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Zelenskyy is back for Sloppy Seconds, says he will work under Trump’s leadership as he proposes Ukraine peace plan

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3 minutes ago, jonmx said:

The people of Ukraine haven't said that.  Ukraine has canceled elections and are forcing people into the front lines.   This war is a proxy war for the deep state to line their pockets.  

Maybe they don’t like being invaded and killed with zero assurances it won’t happen again in a couple years.

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2 minutes ago, jonmx said:

The people of Ukraine haven't said that.  Ukraine has canceled elections and are forcing people into the front lines.   This war is a proxy war for the deep state to line their pockets.  

Exactly.  We have been over this before.  Ukraine's urge to keep fight has drastically diminished.   Its been polled.  And this was a long time ago.  

I love how if Z comes asking for billions it auto means people of Ukraine are gung ho still about watching their loved ones get slaughtered.  

These Libs in this thread cannot be real.  

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1 minute ago, Mark Davis said:

The history of Russia tells us when weakness is shown, a replacement comes.  It's not in his background or what he's ever been.

I mean he just murders any opponents and bribes the rest.  In any case it looks as if he won’t have to worry about as we are just going to let him have it.

I do place some blame on Zelenskyy for not recognizing this was going to happen if Don won. It wasn’t like it was a secret plan. 

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1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

Exactly.  We have been over this before.  Ukraine's urge to keep fight has drastically diminished.   Its been polled.  And this was a long time ago.  

I love how if Z comes asking for billions it auto means people of Ukraine are gung ho still about watching their loved ones get slaughtered.  

These Libs in this thread cannot be real.  

Where are you seeing this, that the Ukrainians don’t back Zelensky and don’t want to continue to fight?

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3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I mean he just murders any opponents and bribes the rest.  In any case it looks as if he won’t have to worry about as we are just going to let him have it.

I do place some blame on Zelenskyy for not recognizing this was going to happen if Don won. It wasn’t like it was a secret plan. 

Sure, that's how he stays in power.  But it's those very traits that make me believe he's willing to just grind Ukraine all the way down over time.  He's years into this now and he has many more troops than Ukraine does to just make this an inevitable end.  

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9 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Where are you seeing this, that the Ukrainians don’t back Zelensky and don’t want to continue to fight?

Where did I say they dont back Z?   I bet they dont nearly as much as you seem to just assume. 

Ive brought up links a few times.  Im not your puppet.  We have talked about this over and over and over.  Perhaps you are old and cannot remember.   I dont know.  Just google "do Ukrainians want to keep fighting" and reread it yourself.  Their support to keep fighting no matter what has consistently dimished as time goes on.  

You seem to just think its a movie and all Ukraines want to fight until the last body drops.  Meanwhile Ukraine has to go round up young men and force them into battle. 

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36 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

 

You understand this war started under Biden's WH right?  You do understand Russia took Crimea during thr Obama years, right?  You do understand this correct?

Crickets from this one.  You do understand this correct?  Nod your head yes or no.  

The general basically has zero real points in this thread.  Its just a bunch of "hey we should hand over billions until Ukraine totally goes under".  

He is so well thought out about this.  Hes a Lib so he is a person of feelings.  People who just try to say all the right things based on feelers rarely have any real point.  

So to get your plan understood here.  It would be to hand over billions upon billions more with zero experation date and sit back and watch Ukrainians die and eventually lose?

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10 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Crickets from this one.  You do understand this correct?  Nod your head yes or no.  

The general basically has zero real points in this thread.  Its just a bunch of "hey we should hand over billions until Ukraine totally goes under".  

He is so well thought out about this.  Hes a Lib so he is a person of feelings.  People who just try to say all the right things based on feelers rarely have any real point.  

So to get your plan understood here.  It would be to hand over billions upon billions more with zero experation date and sit back and watch Ukrainians die and eventually lose?

Hey didkhead I’m not here to respond to all your posts. I didn’t take copious notes and read the thread’s pages on end.

My point is this. Ukraine has sacrificed tens of thousands of people, we and The EU have stepped up and given them aide and tested Putin’s multiple redlines. Through Ukraine’s will the Russian army has been exposed. It’s now a standstill. Russia should have to sacrifice as well. What are they giving in a deal exactly? This is the shittiest deals of all deals.

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1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Hey didkhead I’m not here to respond to all your posts. 

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This guy complains people don’t respond to his posts…the merry band of dipshets Tony, Peefoam, etc get wound up if you respond to them too much 😂

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Can you just acknowledge the fact that Putin went in and took Crimea when Obama was in.  Then the very next weakling Lib in office he goes into Ukraine proper and theyve been at war for years.  

This is a fact.  You acknowledge this right?  

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8 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Can you just acknowledge the fact that Putin went in and took Crimea when Obama was in.  Then the very next weakling Lib in office he goes into Ukraine proper and theyve been at war for years.  

This is a fact.  You acknowledge this right?  

Oh stop.  All those retards have is calling Trump a Putin puppet.  Take that away and the braindead idiots won't have any rhetoric left.  

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I will say Russia has shown some restraint in that they could have just fired missiles into Kiev until it doesn't exist anymore, but they didn't.

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20 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

I will say Russia has shown some restraint in that they could have just fired missiles into Kiev until it doesn't exist anymore, but they didn't.

No they don’t have that capability (unless they use nukes and they never will.) 

It amazes me how many folks continue to have such a high opinion of Putin and Russia’s military. This is true both of conservatives and liberals. This isn’t the Soviet Union. They were badly exposed in this war. 

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No they don’t have that capability (unless they use nukes and they never will.

Poor timmy. Must suck to suffer so much. 

While Trump kicks ass!! :thumbsup:

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12 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Ending the war would be great. Giving asshat Putin everything after so much has been sacrificed is madness and crazy to me. 

so Germany shouldn't have surrendered in WWI ??

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8 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

No they don’t have that capability (unless they use nukes and they never will.) 

It amazes me how many folks continue to have such a high opinion of Putin and Russia’s military. This is true both of conservatives and liberals. This isn’t the Soviet Union. They were badly exposed in this war. 

They have been exposed, but they will never, ever stop throwing what they have at Ukraine.

Russia will keep this fight on until the last man and missile if they have to as Putin believes if they fail it will be the end of Russia as we know it.  It will be the end of Putin for sure.

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9 hours ago, Gepetto said:

I will say Russia has shown some restraint in that they could have just fired missiles into Kiev until it doesn't exist anymore, but they didn't.

Russia has fired missiles into Kiev & Odessa. It’s leveled scores of towns & wrecked other cities. It’s bombed schools, hospitals, residential apartment buildings, theatres, markets, malls. It has shown no restraint.

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8 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Russia has fired missiles into Kiev & Odessa. It’s leveled scores of towns & wrecked other cities

Yes, it's a War 

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22 minutes ago, shadrap said:

so Germany shouldn't have surrendered in WWI ??

Not following this analogy.

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20 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Yes, it's a War 

That’s exactly right. I was merely responding to the person who posited it was something else.

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1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

That’s exactly right. I was merely responding to the person who posited it was something else.

I said Russia could have eliminated Kiev. That's different than what happened. There are still people living in Kiev and government still running out of Kiev along with major govt buildings still standing in Kiev. 

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14 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Ending the war would be great. Giving asshat Putin everything after so much has been sacrificed is madness and crazy to me. 

 

1 hour ago, shadrap said:

so Germany shouldn't have surrendered in WWI ??

 

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

Not following this analogy.

see your second sentence.  According to you it was crazy for Germany to surrender in WWI to the Allies.

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33 minutes ago, shadrap said:

 

 

see your second sentence.  According to you it was crazy for Germany to surrender in WWI to the Allies.

Still not following the comparison. Are you saying Ukraine is the bad guy? They are losing as badly as Germany was in WW2? This isn’t tracking.

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4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Still not following the comparison. Are you saying Ukraine is the bad guy? They are losing as badly as Germany was in WW2? This isn’t tracking.

your quote: "Giving asshat Putin everything after so much has been sacrificed is madness and crazy to me". 

giving up stuff is part of the thing when losing regardless of "after so much has been sacrificed"..  may be crazy to you but this is what happens.  God guy-bad guy.  it's a losing proposition for Ukraine.  Maybe lose a few more thousands of people & a few billion in dollars & then capitulate?  Also I mention WWI not 2 as Germany had fought France et al to a military standstill & had actually gained actual ground.  

 

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1 hour ago, shadrap said:

your quote: "Giving asshat Putin everything after so much has been sacrificed is madness and crazy to me". 

giving up stuff is part of the thing when losing regardless of "after so much has been sacrificed"..  may be crazy to you but this is what happens.  God guy-bad guy.  it's a losing proposition for Ukraine.  Maybe lose a few more thousands of people & a few billion in dollars & then capitulate?  Also I mention WWI not 2 as Germany had fought France et al to a military standstill & had actually gained actual ground.  

 

What is Putin giving up in this deal if Ukraine is not allowed into NATO? Ukraine gets no assurances that they just won’t do it again.

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1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

What is Putin giving up in this deal if Ukraine is not allowed into NATO? Ukraine gets no assurances that they just won’t do it again.

Generalgutterboy cares. 😆

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5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

What is Putin giving up in this deal if Ukraine is not allowed into NATO? Ukraine gets no assurances that they just won’t do it again.

we don't know yet.

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15 minutes ago, shadrap said:

we don't know yet.

Trump has said NATO is off the table. Wasn’t committing to anything other than this mineral deal - which does seem like the start of a potential plan but when asked about any security guarantees it was we’ll see.

That Ukraine is dependent on us is a fact, I just don’t understand why we talk all tough with these guys, with EU, with Canada, with Mexico. But Russia …nyet!

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2 hours ago, Gepetto said:

I said Russia could have eliminated Kiev. That's different than what happened. There are still people living in Kiev and government still running out of Kiev along with major govt buildings still standing in Kiev. 

They have tried to and I am not exaggerating. The air defenses around Kiev have become very good. The Russians have thrown everything at it.

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

They have tried to and I am not exaggerating. The air defenses around Kiev have become very good. The Russians have thrown everything at it.

I know right? Ukraine is so in charge of their situation. Looks like they no longer need help. Cool.

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2 hours ago, thegeneral said:

What is Putin giving up in this deal if Ukraine is not allowed into NATO? Ukraine gets no assurances that they just won’t do it again.

They won’t end up in NATO. Nobody is going to give Ukraine a boots on the ground guarantee.  Especially not with an active conflict going on. That’s why I think peace has to come first.  

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1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

Trump has said NATO is off the table. Wasn’t committing to anything other than this mineral deal - which does seem like the start of a potential plan but when asked about any security guarantees it was we’ll see.

That Ukraine is dependent on us is a fact, I just don’t understand why we talk all tough with these guys, with EU, with Canada, with Mexico. But Russia …nyet!

Nobody wants Ukraine in NATO, not even Europe. Ukraine is WW3 waiting to happen. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

They won’t end up in NATO. Nobody is going to give Ukraine a boots on the ground guarantee.  Especially not with an active conflict going on. That’s why I think peace has to come first.  

Then all this was for nothing. This will all play out again in a few years after Russia rebuilds their busted up military.

I don’t see why they have such a strong bargaining position. 

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4 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Nobody wants Ukraine in NATO, not even Europe. Ukraine is WW3 waiting to happen. 

 

Right just like all the other things that the chump Putin told us was WW3.

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Just now, thegeneral said:

Right just like all the other things that the chump Putin told us was WW3.

No, Ukraine has way more problems than Russia's invasion. Do you not know their history of human trafficking, sex trafficking, slave labor and corruption? 

They are not an ally, to anyone. We should never send Americans to die for them. 

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A point I heard made which I thought was very good was this:

We convinced Ukraine to give up their nukes in the 90’s. This is a good thing, right? Less countries having these. They are now seeing what happens without that threat.

With us not sticking up for allies and leaving them to figure it out leads to them wanting their own assurances - nukes.

No bueno.

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Just now, thegeneral said:

A point I heard made which I thought was very good was this:

We convinced Ukraine to give up their nukes in the 90’s. This is a good thing, right? Less countries having these. They are now seeing what happens without that threat.

With us not sticking up for allies and leaving them to figure it out leads to them wanting their own assurances - nukes.

No bueno.

Deep thoughts of a simpleton.  🤣

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3 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

No, Ukraine has way more problems than Russia's invasion. Do you not know their history of human trafficking, sex trafficking, slave labor and corruption? 

They are not an ally, to anyone. We should never send Americans to die for them. 

When they are in NATO they won’t need us go to war. Thats the point.

If NATO can have those shitheads in Turkey and the dandy Frenchmen we can work on taking Ukraine and fixing them up.

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