Supreme Court rules that Trump cannot stop foreign aid

[jbycho 587]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

No he isn’t and in any case you’re incapable of making that judgment. You’ve never shown the ability to define any issue beyond “Trump is right and the libs are wrong.” Nobody expects you to go any deeper than that so carry on. 

You ARE wrong. 

[The Real timschochet 6,410]

1 minute ago, Tebok said:

seafart needs to go take a political-science class.

That won’t help him or @jbycho or the other trolls in this forum. They’re not interested in knowledge. 

[RLLD 4,143]

11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

First off nobody wrote tariffs will destroy the country so no you didn’t hear it as well. What you heard is that the new tariffs on Mexico and Canada will seriously hurt our economy. You heard that not just here but all over the place from liberal and conservative economists alike. 
Second these new tariffs are 10 times the size of the previous tariffs so what Biden did isn’t relevant. You know this because we’ve discussed it before and you acknowledged it. You’re repeating statements and arguments that you know to be untrue. 

I have heard plenty talking about tariffs, selling fear.   Are we to believe this one? How can we be sure?  All the lying over the years, and now trying to sell the notion of tariffs as being some harm to the US, which does not make alot of sense.  So, lets accept the SCOTUS ruling and honor our Democrat friends by coming up with a way to ignore that ruling and do it anyway.

[jbycho 587]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

That won’t help him or @jbycho or the other trolls in this forum. They’re not interested in knowledge. 

Ok Rusty. You are really showing off your smarts now. 

You are a disaster and an embarrassment to this country. 

[RLLD 4,143]

11 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Of course, that's the way Government works.

The far worse scenario is if he defies the court then we have a constitutional crisis.

Excellent.  I welcome the support when Trump finds another way.

[RLLD 4,143]

11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re making no sense here. You have made reasonable arguments in the past but now you appear to simply be petulant and in favor of whatever Trump wants. There is no longer any logic to your statements, IMO. 

"I"......want the focking money back.  I dont care that our money is being misused through congress.....just give us the money back, all good and we move on.   This is stealing....we are facing crippling debt.....and they are stealing our money to hand outs..... 

Guess what happens when we default? Wanna guess what happens to the world after that?

[The Real timschochet 6,410]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I have heard plenty talking about tariffs, selling fear.   Are we to believe this one? How can we be sure?  All the lying over the years, and now trying to sell the notion of tariffs as being some harm to the US, which does not make alot of sense.  So, lets accept the SCOTUS ruling and honor our Democrat friends by coming up with a way to ignore that ruling and do it anyway.

Again nonsensical. Democrats don’t ignore SC rulings. Even if they did that wouldn’t justify Trump doing it. 
Second there has been no lying about tariffs. They harm America. The amount of harm is directly equal to the amount of the tariffs. They are an unnecessary tax on the consumer, an interference with capitalism which produces all wealth in our society. Nobody has tried to mislead you on this, 

[jbycho 587]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Again nonsensical. Democrats don’t ignore SC rulings. Even if they did that wouldn’t justify Trump doing it. 
Second there has been no lying about tariffs. They harm America. The amount of harm is directly equal to the amount of the tariffs. They are an unnecessary tax on the consumer, an interference with capitalism which produces all wealth in our society. Nobody has tried to mislead you on this, 

This guy is hurting bad. I love watching the lib's movement suffer.

[RLLD 4,143]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Again nonsensical. Democrats don’t ignore SC rulings. Even if they did that wouldn’t justify Trump doing it. 
Second there has been no lying about tariffs. They harm America. The amount of harm is directly equal to the amount of the tariffs. They are an unnecessary tax on the consumer, an interference with capitalism which produces all wealth in our society. Nobody has tried to mislead you on this, 

We can agree to disagree on the Biden model for ignoring SCOTUS.  The Democrats are lying about tariffs.  They are selling fear, and in reality they are selling a false narrative.  All the lying means many simply wont believe them an more....just the media that parroted their every stance.....we stopped believing them too.

[The Real timschochet 6,410]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

"I"......want the focking money back.  I dont care that our money is being misused through congress.....just give us the money back, all good and we move on.   This is stealing....we are facing crippling debt.....and they are stealing our money to hand outs..... 

Guess what happens when we default? Wanna guess what happens to the world after that?

There’s no stealing. We elected leaders who voted to give foreign aid because it benefits us to do so. With every dollar we spend on foreign aid we actually get richer. It’s an investment to stabilize other countries, to make them our allies, to create marketplaces for our goods. We lose nothing and gain the world. 

We will never default. You’re right that the debt is crippling, but the only way to get rid of it is grow our way out of it. The only way to do that is more trade, which requires a stable global economy. Foreign aid is a must. 

[Ron_Artest 1,048]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

We can agree to disagree on the Biden model for ignoring SCOTUS.  The Democrats are lying about tariffs.  They are selling fear, and in reality they are selling a false narrative.  All the lying means many simply wont believe them an more....just the media that parroted their every stance.....we stopped believing them too.

- Biden never ignored SCOTUS

- The only one lying about tariffs is Trump

Otherwise good post.

[jbycho 587]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

There’s no stealing. We elected leaders who voted to give foreign aid because it benefits us to do so. With every dollar we spend on foreign aid we actually get richer. It’s an investment to stabilize other countries, to make them our allies, to create marketplaces for our goods. We lose nothing and gain the world. 

We will never default. You’re right that the debt is crippling, but the only way to get rid of it is grow our way out of it. The only way to do that is more trade, which requires a stable global economy. Foreign aid is a must. 

The naivety is running rampant in the democratic party. Or if you prefer, stupidity. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,926]

It’s ok. It’s two billion, we’ll get over it. But just show the taxpayers exactly where this money is going and to whom. And let them know it won’t be happening again. MAGA. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,699]

The Deep Staters will be able to vacation in the Hamptons, Martha’s Vineyard, etc this summer!!!

[Ron_Artest 1,048]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

We will never default. You’re right that the debt is crippling, but the only way to get rid of it is grow our way out of it. The only way to do that is more trade, which requires a stable global economy. Foreign aid is a must. 

We also need to raise taxes on the wealthy.

[The Real timschochet 6,410]

Just now, RLLD said:

We can agree to disagree on the Biden model for ignoring SCOTUS.  The Democrats are lying about tariffs.  They are selling fear, and in reality they are selling a false narrative.  All the lying means many simply wont believe them a more....just the media that parroted their every stance.....we stopped believing them too.

The Democrats (and most Republicans and libertarians and independents and 99% of economists) are not lying about tariffs. You haven’t offered a single example of this nor will you be able to because there isn’t one. Trump is the only one lying about tariffs. 
 

I cannot agree to disagree with you on the “Biden model for ignoring SCOTUS”. There’s only one set of facts. Biden didn’t ignore SCOTUS. This isn’t a debatable issue, it’s not nuanced. He didn’t do it. 

[RLLD 4,143]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

There’s no stealing. We elected leaders who voted to give foreign aid because it benefits us to do so. With every dollar we spend on foreign aid we actually get richer. It’s an investment to stabilize other countries, to make them our allies, to create marketplaces for our goods. We lose nothing and gain the world. 

We will never default. You’re right that the debt is crippling, but the only way to get rid of it is grow our way out of it. The only way to do that is more trade, which requires a stable global economy. Foreign aid is a must. 

This s theft, plain and simple. Pretending that " well they were elected so they get to do what ever they want"  might not be your best argument here.  Consider how I might turn that around n you with regard to Trump.

All that money needs to come back, period.  If we do not stop this behavior, we end, we stop being able to help anyone.

We can default.  We absolutely could. And that needs to be taken rather seriously. Pretending that is not possible within our lifetime is not the way to handle this.  Its time to stop being irresponsible.

[TheNewGirl 1,347]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

There’s no stealing. We elected leaders who voted to give foreign aid because it benefits us to do so. With every dollar we spend on foreign aid we actually get richer. It’s an investment to stabilize other countries, to make them our allies, to create marketplaces for our goods. We lose nothing and gain the world. 

We will never default. You’re right that the debt is crippling, but the only way to get rid of it is grow our way out of it. The only way to do that is more trade, which requires a stable global economy. Foreign aid is a must. 

The only way to get out of it is to raise taxes. 

Kamala said as much during that "off the record" piece of an interview. 

[RLLD 4,143]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

- Biden never ignored SCOTUS

- The only one lying about tariffs is Trump

Otherwise good post.

Biden ignored SCOTUS, found other means to get it done.   That is all I want now, so I hope Trump finds the "other means" and is still able to get the money.  Democrats have lied about everything, to include tariffs.   They have no choice but to lie, the truth flouts everything they beleive.

 

[jbycho 587]

3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

We also need to raise taxes on the wealthy.

It's always you poor people who want money from us who work for a living. 

[Ron_Artest 1,048]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s ok. It’s two billion, we’ll get over it. But just show the taxpayers exactly where this money is going and to whom. And let them know it won’t be happening again. MAGA. 

It's public information, always has been.

[RLLD 4,143]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The Democrats (and most Republicans and libertarians and independents and 99% of economists) are not lying about tariffs. You haven’t offered a single example of this nor will you be able to because there isn’t one. Trump is the only one lying about tariffs. 
 

I cannot agree to disagree with you on the “Biden model for ignoring SCOTUS”. There’s only one set of facts. Biden didn’t ignore SCOTUS. This isn’t a debatable issue, it’s not nuanced. He didn’t do it. 

No, they are still lying.  Later, not unlike when they lied about Bidens cognitive ability......Hunter laptop.....inflation...... later.....the lie will again be proven to be a lie.  We just have to wait for the lie to eventually no longer be defensible.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,926]

And let’s dispense with this notion that this is a conservative court. ACB was a mistake. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,926]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

It's public information, always has been.

Yeah, people will be running to read it. Idiot. This is where the bully pulpit comes in. You know what that is, right? Probably not.  

[Ron_Artest 1,048]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Biden ignored SCOTUS, found other means to get it done.

 

Did SCOTUS tell Biden that he's not allowed to use any law to forgive student debt, or did SCOTUS tell him he can't use the CARES Act to forgive student debt?

This is very important.  I want to see how honest you are.

[RLLD 4,143]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

Did SCOTUS tell Biden that he's not allowed to use any law to forgive student debt, or did SCOTUS tell him he can't use the CARES Act to forgive student debt?

This is very important.  I want to see how honest you are.

SCOTUS ruled, he still wanted to buy votes, so he found other means. Just that simple.

SO.....now again, SCOTUS has ruled, and we will all celebrate if Trump follows that same model....of course....  now, lets not pretend you are honest, about very much.  I think you are gutter, right?

[FrancieFootball 96]

29 minutes ago, Tebok said:

seafart needs to go take a political-science class.

seafart.

[Ron_Artest 1,048]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

SCOTUS ruled, he still wanted to buy votes, so he found other means. Just that simple.

SO.....now again, SCOTUS has ruled, and we will all celebrate if Trump follows that same model....of course....  now, lets not pretend you are honest, about very much.  I think you are gutter, right?

What did SCOTUS rule?

FYI, here is the ruling: https://www.scotusblog.com/2023/06/supreme-court-strikes-down-biden-student-loan-forgiveness-program/

[FrancieFootball 96]

26 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

That won’t help him or @jbycho or the other trolls in this forum. They’re not interested in knowledge. 

They probably blindly and unquestionly believe all the misinformation that came of Trump's mouth last night. It never ceases to amaze me how little they think for themselves and exercise basic common sense and intelligence.

[shadrap 220]

4 minutes ago, FrancieFootball said:

They probably blindly and unquestionly believe all the misinformation that came of Trump's mouth last night. It never ceases to amaze me how little they think for themselves and exercise basic common sense and intelligence.

misinformation??  as in Biden is sharp as a tack that we heard for 4 years from the media?  

[jbycho 587]

32 minutes ago, FrancieFootball said:

They probably blindly and unquestionly believe all the misinformation that came of Trump's mouth last night. It never ceases to amaze me how little they think for themselves and exercise basic common sense and intelligence.

Poor Rusty. He hurts. 

[zsasz 361]

Supreme Court making sense in regards to this basica tenant of our Government.  Trump should have no problem sitting on the  Republican controlled Congress to see his vision thru....but that's the way it should be.  

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,237]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Congress does.

so you agree Biden illegally did this

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,926]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Did SCOTUS tell Biden that he's not allowed to use any law to forgive student debt, or did SCOTUS tell him he can't use the CARES Act to forgive student debt?

This is very important.  I want to see how honest you are.

So Biden weaseled and you’re good with it. Makes sense as you are one of the top weasels around here. 

[seafoam1 2,799]

3 hours ago, MDC said:

Article 1 Section 9 puts Congress in charge of the purse strings. 

So if Trump convinces congress to sign a bill to forever eliminate foreign aid then forever we no longer give handouts to foreign countries? 

I'm down with that. 

But where in the constitution does it talk about mandatory foreign aid by the US?

[seafoam1 2,799]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Again nonsensical. Democrats don’t make sense. 

No you don't. I agree. 

[The Girlfriend 208]

2 hours ago, TheNewGirl said:

The only way to get out of it is to raise taxes. 

Kamala said as much during that "off the record" piece of an interview. 

Or maybe don’t give tax breaks to the wealthy that raise the deficit by trillions of dollars.

[seafoam1 2,799]

3 minutes ago, The Girlfriend said:

Or maybe don’t give tax breaks to the wealthy that raise the deficit by trillions of dollars.

Poor pimpledoosh needs help from successful people to survive. 

[Horseman 2,357]

7 minutes ago, The Girlfriend said:

Or maybe don’t give tax breaks to the wealthy that raise the deficit by trillions of dollars.

No we're getting the tax cuts. 

Just get rid of Medicaid, Snap and Wic for all the freeloaders instead.  

[Ron_Artest 1,048]

1 hour ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

so you agree Biden illegally did this

 

No he used acts of Congress that already existed.