US arrests and Deports Antisemitic Jew Hating Palestinian Student In Columbia University protests against Gaza war

[Hardcore troubadour 15,435]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

I also can’t find any specific information that he supports Hamas. Doesn’t mean it’s not there but I can’t find it. 

Considering your time between posts I bet you were doing a detailed search. 

[Cdub100 3,909]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I can’t find any evidence that he has called for the genocide of Jews. (And please don’t bring up the “River to the Sea” line because that’s not what it means. Come up with something more specific.) 

But I want to be clear that even if Khalil DID call for the murder of all Jews I would defend his right to do so, just as I would defend @Cdub100’s right to spread HIS Jew hatred. Because I believe in free speech. I don’t think free speech should be limited for someone here on a student visa. I think everybody who comes here, no matter how, should have the right to say what they want. 

Nobody cares what a Jew supremacists like you thinks 

I'll say this. It's rich coming from a Jew taking about genocide when your tribe just leveled a whole region. Bombing hospital schools and residential buildings 

[The Real timschochet 6,766]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Considering your time between posts I bet you were doing a detailed search. 

I don’t need to. Since you’re one of those who have made this claim, I’m sure you have a link to back it up. After all you would never just post something so awful about a person that you didn’t know to be true, right? 

[Cdub100 3,909]

Also let's be clear about a couple things 

1. He was deported for protesting against Jews. That is the sole reason he was removed. 

2. That being said if you come to America for an education. Maybe you shouldn't be protesting. Your sole focused while here should be getting that education and going back to your country and make it better.

3. Protesting against Israel has consequences. There is a reason many states have laws that say you're not allowed to protest Israel . They own us 

[squistion 2,203]

16 minutes ago, jonmx said:

He is an invited guests here on a VISA. He organized violent protests which advocated for a terrorist organization Hamas.  Hamas attacks and kills people and takes hostages.   In October 2023 they attacked and killed over 1200 Jews and took 200 hostages.    He is not a citizen and does not have protected rights.   The executive branch has Constitutional authority to protect our borders and thst includes who we allow to be in our country.  There is nothing authoritarian about that. 

Even though he is not a citizen, he still does have the right to due process under the law, which was not observed here.

[The Real timschochet 6,766]

1 minute ago, Cdub100 said:

Nobody cares what a Jew supremacists like you thinks 

I'll say this. It's rich coming from a Jew taking about genocide when your tribe just leveled a whole region. Bombing hospital schools and residential buildings 

1. You obviously care since you almost always respond to my posts. 

2. I don’t condone at all what Israel has done to Gaza. According to @jerryskids this excludes me from being a “True Jew”. But though his collectivization of Jews is not mean spirited or a product of sick bigotry, like yours, it’s still collectivization and wrong. 

[The Real timschochet 6,766]

2 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Also let's be clear about a couple things 

1. He was deported for protesting against Jews. That is the sole reason he was removed. 

2. That being said if you come to America for an education. Maybe you shouldn't be protesting. Your sole focused while here should be getting that education and going back to your country and make it better.

3. Protesting against Israel has consequences. There is a reason many states have laws that say you're not allowed to protest Israel . They own us 

Your points are clear. They are also clearly wrong. 

1. No he was deported for protesting against Israel, not against Jews. Many Jews joined his protests. 

2. Students should have the right to peacefully protest no matter where they’re from. 

3. This is your blind hatred and ignorance and bigotry speaking. 

[jonmx 2,429]

3 minutes ago, squistion said:

Even though he is not a citizen, he still does have the right to due process under the law, which was not observed here.

I assume they had a warrent and revoked his VISA and green card.   Like it or not, it is legal and Constitutional.  Not a huge fan of the move, but Trump has the authority to do it.  

[jonmx 2,429]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Your points are clear. They are also clearly wrong. 

1. No he was deported for protesting against Israel, not against Jews. Many Jews joined his protests. 

2. Students should have the right to peacefully protest no matter where they’re from. 

3. This is your blind hatred and ignorance and bigotry speaking. 

Actually he was deported for supporting a terrorist organization, Hamas.    Whether that is true is the thrust of whether this will stand 

[The Real timschochet 6,766]

1 minute ago, jonmx said:

I assume they had a warrent and revoked his VISA and green card.   Like it or not, it is legal and Constitutional.  Not a huge fan of the move, but Trump has the authority to do it.  

Still waiting for you to back up the claim of him organizing a violent protest. 

[Cdub100 3,909]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. You obviously care since you almost always respond to my posts. 

2. I don’t condone at all what Israel has done to Gaza. According to @jerryskids this excludes me from being a “True Jew”. But though his collectivization of Jews is not mean spirited or a product of sick bigotry, like yours, it’s still collectivization and wrong. 

You tag me. So I assume you want a response. 

One of your dirty tricks feign ignorance in order to attack.

[Cdub100 3,909]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Your points are clear. They are also clearly wrong. 

1. No he was deported for protesting against Israel, not against Jews. Many Jews joined his protests. 

2. Students should have the right to peacefully protest no matter where they’re from. 

3. This is your blind hatred and ignorance and bigotry speaking. 

1. Same thing

2. If you are guest here. No you don't have the same rights as Americans. 

3. Nope look it up many states have these laws 

[Mark Davis 398]

The left just keeps gifting Trump these wins on 80/20 or better issues.  We can split hairs whether he directly supports Hamas, or just those in his groups do.  Whether he himself occupied those buildings illegally or just negotiated on behalf of those who did.  To the average person and voter, it's a distinction without a difference.  There are some legit concerns over the issues with tariffs going on right now, but the left insists on diving off a cliff on some of these things that the average person just thinks is crazy.  They're basically giving Trump cover fire in the news cycle with stuff like this.

[TheNewGirl 1,492]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

3. This is your blind hatred and ignorance and bigotry speaking. 

There are states that do have laws; https://www.newsweek.com/pro-palestinian-protest-states-colleges-illegal-bds-1895292

 

[The Real timschochet 6,766]

1 minute ago, jonmx said:

Actually he was deported for supporting a terrorist organization, Hamas.    Whether that is true is the thrust of whether this will stand 

It should also stand on what the word “support” actually means. Was he raising money for Hamas? (The way that some Irish people here used to raise money for the IRA?) I would deport him for that. Or was he simply speaking out in defense of Hamas? That would cause me to detest him, but I wouldn’t deport him for that. 

[squistion 2,203]

7 minutes ago, jonmx said:

I assume they had a warrent and revoked his VISA and green card.   Like it or not, it is legal and Constitutional.  Not a huge fan of the move, but Trump has the authority to do it.  

From the Twitters:

You must have your green card or visa revoked with due process and for those with a green card that usually means you must've broken an actual law or be charged with such a crime. Mahmoud Khalil has not been charged with a crime. His rights have been & are being violated. 

[The Real timschochet 6,766]

2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

There are states that do have laws; https://www.newsweek.com/pro-palestinian-protest-states-colleges-illegal-bds-1895292

 

I don’t question the laws (which I oppose by the way.) My comment was in response to his statement that “Israel owns us.” Do you agree with that conclusion? 

[TheNewGirl 1,492]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t question the laws (which I oppose by the way.) My comment was in response to his statement that “Israel owns us.” Do you agree with that conclusion? 

I have no idea if Israel owns us or not, I have no conclusion on that statement. 

[The Real timschochet 6,766]

5 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

The left just keeps gifting Trump these wins on 80/20 or better issues.  We can split hairs whether he directly supports Hamas, or just those in his groups do.  Whether he himself occupied those buildings illegally or just negotiated on behalf of those who did.  To the average person and voter, it's a distinction without a difference.  There are some legit concerns over the issues with tariffs going on right now, but the left insists on diving off a cliff on some of these things that the average person just thinks is crazy.  They're basically giving Trump cover fire in the news cycle with stuff like this.

This may very well be true, from a political standpoint. 
But right is right and wrong is wrong. Unless this guy actually fomented violence or tried to raise money for Hamas, I’ve got a real problem with this. I don’t approve of the occupation of a building but it’s not the same as burning or looting or beating up people. 
 

Based on what I know (and I’m quite willing to be educated further) this guy should not have been arrested. If that puts me in the 20% minority so be it. I can’t change my moral code. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,435]

How come Jewish students were told to stay home during the protests this guy organized and led? 

[The Real timschochet 6,766]

2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

I have no idea if Israel owns us or not, I have no conclusion on that statement. 

Well you should. Nobody owns us. Some liberals think Russia and Putin owns us; they don’t. Some conservatives think “the globalists” own us; they don’t. 

But if you specifically believe that Israel owns us you’re almost surely a bigot and a Jew hater. I don’t agree with you on many issues but I wouldn’t want to put you (or anyone) in that category unless you truly earned it and was truly describable. 

[jonmx 2,429]

10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Still waiting for you to back up the claim of him organizing a violent protest. 

 

The only physical violence i can find is resisting arrests when the NYPD was called in.  Mostly it was a bunch of Pro-Hamas Jewish hate-speech:

: --> "From the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab!" -->  it is right to rebell, Israel Go to Hell!" --> "Resistance [Hamas] is justified!"

The warrants indicate the deportation concerns being aligned with terrorst group Hamas.  Which is dubious grounds, but will probably hold up in court depending on the judge. 

[The Real timschochet 6,766]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

How come Jewish students were told to stay home during the protests this guy organized and led? 

Because every time there is a protest over something this emotional, it has the potential to attract bad actors who perform individual acts of violence, and in this case it would likely be against Jews. That is almost never the fault of the organizers. However as I wrote earlier many Jewish students did attend and participate in these protests and nothing happened to them. 
 

There are also often counter-protests and these also can lead to violent confrontations. This is also not the fault of the organizer. 

[jonmx 2,429]

12 minutes ago, squistion said:

From the Twitters:

You must have your green card or visa revoked with due process and for those with a green card that usually means you must've broken an actual law or be charged with such a crime. Mahmoud Khalil has not been charged with a crime. His rights have been & are being violated. 

He is getting due process now.  People get arrested and detained before it is proven in court 

[The Real timschochet 6,766]

4 minutes ago, jonmx said:

 

The only physical violence i can find is resisting arrests when the NYPD was called in.  Mostly it was a bunch of Pro-Hamas Jewish hate-speech:

: --> "From the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab!" -->  it is right to rebell, Israel Go to Hell!" --> "Resistance [Hamas] is justified!"

The warrants indicate the deportation concerns being aligned with terrorst group Hamas.  Which is dubious grounds, but will probably hold up in court depending on the judge. 

Thank you. That’s not, in itself, enough for me to justify this action. 

[jonmx 2,429]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Thank you. That’s not, in itself, enough for me to justify this action. 

Nor me, but it is probably lawful.  

[The Real timschochet 6,766]

5 minutes ago, jonmx said:

 

  Mostly it was a bunch of Pro-Hamas Jewish hate-speech 

: --> "From the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab!" -->  it is right to rebell, Israel Go to Hell!" --> "Resistance [Hamas] is justified!"

 

For the record I don’t define what you wrote as hate speech. Im not even sure it’s pro-Hamas- the parenthesis after “resistance” is yours, right? 

[jonmx 2,429]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

For the record I don’t define what you wrote as hate speech. Im not even sure it’s pro-Hamas- the parenthesis after “resistance” is yours, right? 

I did not add it.  It was from a Twitter post with a video. 

[The Real timschochet 6,766]

1 minute ago, jonmx said:

Nor me, but it is probably lawful.  

I have no idea. But IMO if it is lawful for the President to order the arrest and deportation of a foreign college student based solely on political speech that the President doesn’t like, then it shouldn’t be. 

[The Real timschochet 6,766]

Just now, jonmx said:

I did not add it.  It was from a Twitter post with a video. 

The point is it was added afterward to imply that “resistance” means “Hamas” Which is not necessarily the case. 

[jonmx 2,429]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

I have no idea. But IMO if it is lawful for the President to order the arrest and deportation of a foreign college student based solely on political speech that the President doesn’t like, then it shouldn’t be. 

Who is allowed to come into and stay in this country is mostly up to the executive branch inline with the law, but largely at executive branch discretion.   

[jonmx 2,429]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The point is it was added afterward to imply that “resistance” means “Hamas” Which is not necessarily the case. 

True, but it was a fair presumption given the context of the speech/chanting in that it was blanket support for all resistance which in fact comes mostly from terrorist groups like Hamas.  You are guilty of reading much deeper into the tea leaves to condemn right-wing speakers.   In this case it is very obvious it included support for Hamas.  

[squistion 2,203]

15 minutes ago, jonmx said:

He is getting due process now.  People get arrested and detained before it is proven in court 

But the government was going to deport him without anything proven in court. That is the lack of due process.

[HellToupee 1,778]

52 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Nobody cares what a Jew supremacists like you thinks 

I'll say this. It's rich coming from a Jew taking about genocide when your tribe just leveled a whole region. Bombing hospital schools and residential buildings 

Tim isn’t a Jewish supremacist. He’s a self loathing Jew. You two are probably more aligned about Israel than either of you care to admit 

[Fnord 2,272]

4 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

You two are probably more aligned about Israel than either of you care to admit 

Absolutely. As are most Americans. Questioning the policies, actions, and motives of the Israeli government does not mean one is antisemitic or supporting Hamas. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,435]

7 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Absolutely. As are most Americans. Questioning the policies, actions, and motives of the Israeli government does not mean one is antisemitic or supporting Hamas. 

Questioning Soros is though. 

[RLLD 4,230]

I can see the connection between Khalil and Hamas, and that is enough to warrant the action to deport him IMHO.

Works for me. We need to eliminate real hate, not the fake nonsense we always hear about.

[Fnord 2,272]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

As I said to Gutter yesterday, exercising your 1A rights does not include cementing the sewers and other acts of vandalism, nor does it include terrorizing (yes, that's what it is) the Jewish community at Columbia.

That being said, I find  your "hive mind" comment amusing.  I'd guess 90% of the protesters in Squissy's video are there because "Hamas terrorists am good freedom fighters and Jews iz evil oppressors$#@!"  The other 10% are Antifa thugs paid by Soros.

Do you have any links to acts of violence or vandalism that Khalil committed? I haven't followed this closely as I don't normally GAF what happens on the campuses of Ivy League schools unless we're talking about secret societies.

Your second comment was amusing for me. Protestors at colleges are typically college students, and college students are young and dumb. I thought a lot of stupid shlt when I was that age, and so did you. It's not hard to condemn Hamas or Israel for their actions against the other, but youngsters aren't usually adept at nuance so they latch onto what they understand without regard to what they don't. Sadly plenty of people never grow out of that tendency. Also, your statement re: antifa and Soros is obviously unverifiable BS. Did you make that up from whole cloth, or did you "hear it" somewhere?

[Fnord 2,272]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Questioning Soros is though. 

That's just stupid and ignorant, not antisemitic in most cases. LOL at the infatuation with Soros. He's the monster hiding in MAGA closets and under their beds; the boogeyman. MAGA has lots of boogeymen. They have to keep a large supply of "others" to blame for their own ineffectuality.

[Mark Davis 398]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

This may very well be true, from a political standpoint. 
But right is right and wrong is wrong. Unless this guy actually fomented violence or tried to raise money for Hamas, I’ve got a real problem with this. I don’t approve of the occupation of a building but it’s not the same as burning or looting or beating up people. 
 

Based on what I know (and I’m quite willing to be educated further) this guy should not have been arrested. If that puts me in the 20% minority so be it. I can’t change my moral code. 

The short of it is that he’s not an American and any acts whether occupying buildings illegally or supporting Hamas should give rise to him losing the privilege of being here. It’s pretty simple. My moral code tells me American kids shouldn’t be prevented and/or afraid to go to class, especially by a foreign national we have extended the courtesy of being on our soil. If he can’t abide by that, then he should go.