US arrests and Deports Antisemitic Jew Hating Palestinian Student In Columbia University protests against Gaza war

[Hardcore troubadour 15,184]

Trump mulling suspending Visas from 12 countries. About time. 

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1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

I'm sure it is all lies.  Saint Mahmoud would never do anything like she described.   

The details about how he was soft spoken and careful with his words were especially chilling. 

[seafoam1 2,884]

Get rid of all of them. The sooner the better. 

[The Real timschochet 6,570]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

UNRWA is rife with terrorists.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-10-2024-002052_EN.html

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/08/1152841

Your statement about Palestinians is wishcasting.  I said trained in terrorism, not participated in actual terrorism in Gaza or Syria (another terrorist hellhole).  There are three types of Palestinians in Gaza:  Terrorists, terrorist sympathizers, and children under five.  Yes it is hyperbole, but it's closer than your fantasy. BTW, all of those "civilians" who held or are holding hostages... not terrorists?

If they held hostages of course they are terrorist. How many do you think were involved in that? A few thousand at most? Out of a population of millions. 
 

Are they sympathetic to terrorism? Sadly I suspect many of them are as they believe it’s the only way to oppose Israel, and they view them as guerillas. Does this make them criminals? Not in my book. 

[The Real timschochet 6,570]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Trump mulling suspending Visas from 12 countries. About time. 

Shall we start with wherever you’re from? You’ve openly wished for violence for people here and our families. Shall we deport you? Based on the logic of many here we can and should. 

[Strike 5,361]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

If they held hostages of course they are terrorist. How many do you think were involved in that? A few thousand at most? Out of a population of millions. 
 

Are they sympathetic to terrorism? Sadly I suspect many of them are as they believe it’s the only way to oppose Israel, and they view them as guerillas. Does this make them criminals? Not in my book. 

Your book sucks. 

[The Real timschochet 6,570]

@Gepetto the article you posted makes the guy sound like an extremist, a fanatic, a bad person, not somebody I would prefer to be around. 
 

But it doesn’t justify deporting him. Not to me. It’s not enough; there has to be something more. Maybe there is. But it wasn’t in the article. 
 

Please keep in mind that when I write this I am not trying to defend this dude. I don’t care about him, or what happens to him. I only care about our system of justice and defending it. 

[The Real timschochet 6,570]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

Your book sucks. 

It probably does to you. But I’m betting you’re guilty of double standards. I’m betting you’re willing to excuse Americans of war crimes that you condemn others for. 

[HellToupee 1,674]

25 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Shall we start with wherever you’re from?

He’s from the United States, hth

[Gepetto 1,339]

22 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

@Gepetto the article you posted makes the guy sound like an extremist, a fanatic, a bad person, not somebody I would prefer to be around. 
 

But it doesn’t justify deporting him. Not to me. It’s not enough; there has to be something more. Maybe there is. But it wasn’t in the article. 
 

Please keep in mind that when I write this I am not trying to defend this dude. I don’t care about him, or what happens to him. I only care about our system of justice and defending it. 

Fair enough.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,184]

30 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Shall we start with wherever you’re from? You’ve openly wished for violence for people here and our families. Shall we deport you? Based on the logic of many here we can and should. 

That was purely hypothetical. That was obvious. An exaggeration to prove a point, like you just did. Not close to what you have described. Also, I’m a citizen numbnuts. I don’t need a visa. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,184]

3 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

He’s from the United States, hth

I make em crazy. 

[Strike 5,361]

38 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It probably does to you. But I’m betting you’re guilty of double standards. I’m betting you’re willing to excuse Americans of war crimes that you condemn others for. 

No.   I read excerpts of your book at FBG's.  It sucks

[jerryskids 6,688]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

If they held hostages of course they are terrorist. How many do you think were involved in that? A few thousand at most? Out of a population of millions. 
 

Are they sympathetic to terrorism? Sadly I suspect many of them are as they believe it’s the only way to oppose Israel, and they view them as guerillas. Does this make them criminals? Not in my book. 

Yes, the poor Palestinians, seeing no other way to oppose Israel.

Well, they could have had a two-state solution with Israel numerous times throughout their history.  Most recently, in 2006, they did what they always do, which is elect a group (Hamas) who, like all leadership before them, has no interest in a two-state solution, instead electing leaders whose platforms are the complete annihilation of Israel and, while they are at it, all Jews.

This has been going on for, I dunno, 80 years.  At what point do you start to consider that maybe, just maybe, these people have never wanted peace?   

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

If they held hostages of course they are terrorist. How many do you think were involved in that? A few thousand at most? Out of a population of millions. 
 

Are they sympathetic to terrorism? Sadly I suspect many of them are as they believe it’s the only way to oppose Israel, and they view them as guerillas. Does this make them criminals? Not in my book. 

It may not make them criminals.  But it does unfortunately make their society in totality too dangerous to allow into our country.  When you have children being raised from birth to support terrorism, it's poisoned their minds beyond what can be changed for the populace as a whole.  Just like cheering the bodies in the streets might not be a crime, it speaks to the mentality of the population.  I agree the majority aren't criminals, but that sympathetic to terrorism belief is something that has been taught since childhood we just can't remove.  We don't need terrorist sympathizers in our country due to the risk of them acting, teaching their children this ideology, or aiding someone who would take such actions.

[Ron_Artest 1,278]

Mahmoud was just the start.  Now they're going after all Columbia students.  And they're not stopping at Columbia.  Trump wants to bring down the liberal education system.  It's what authoritarians do.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/doj-columbia-terrorism-trump-blanch-b2715563.html

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4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Mahmoud was just the start.  Now they're going after all Columbia students.  And they're not stopping at Columbia.  Trump wants to bring down the liberal education system.  It's what authoritarians do.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/doj-columbia-terrorism-trump-blanch-b2715563.html

Good. I voted for that. 

Sorry you lost. 

[Strike 5,361]

19 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Mahmoud was just the start.  Now they're going after all Columbia students.  And they're not stopping at Columbia.  Trump wants to bring down the liberal education system.  It's what authoritarians do.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/doj-columbia-terrorism-trump-blanch-b2715563.html

I don't think all means what you think it means.

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

I don't think all means what you think it means.

Yeah, as usual he's over dramatizing and being hysterical again.  Can't actually understand what's really going on as it's just easier to scream "OMG!!!!"

What a douche. 

[Horseman 2,438]

Gutter_Artest might as well be a woman.  Hyperdramatic.   Skirts and heels in his future.  

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3 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Gutter_Artest might as well be a woman.  Hyperdramatic.   Skirts and heels in his future.  

Yep.  Makes posts about how great Rachel Maddow is and listens to Chappelle Roan with glee.

Totally checks out that he's a woman. 

[jerryskids 6,688]

37 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Mahmoud was just the start.  Now they're going after all Columbia students.  And they're not stopping at Columbia.  Trump wants to bring down the liberal education system.  It's what authoritarians do.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/doj-columbia-terrorism-trump-blanch-b2715563.html

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“Let me be clear: Hamas is a terrorist organization. It has the blood of American citizens on its hands,” Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche said during a speech to the Justice Department on Friday. “Any person engaging in the material support of terrorism will be prosecuted. This includes those who threaten acts of violence on behalf of Hamas in the United States or even pay Hamas in the United States.”

The official also mentioned a Thursday search at the university by Department of Homeland Security agents in an immigration investigation, and added that “we are also looking at whether Columbia’s handling of earlier incidents violated civil rights laws and included terrorism crimes.”

You are right, we can't have that, Gutter.  We should encourage the material support of Hamas and terrorism in general, and allow schools receiving $400M in grants and funding to ignore the civil rights of a section of their population.  

[Ron_Artest 1,278]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You are right, we can't have that, Gutter.  We should encourage the material support of Hamas and terrorism in general, and allow schools receiving $400M in grants and funding to ignore the civil rights of a section of their population.  

Who defines "the material support of terrorism"?  I'm guessing it will be anyone who says RIVER TO THE SEA.

[jerryskids 6,688]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

Who defines "the material support of terrorism"?  I'm guessing it will be anyone who says RIVER TO THE SEA.

If that's what you think, I suggest you take a break from your Leftie media.  I mean, the article specifically said threaten acts of violence, or pay Hamas money to fund their terrorist activities. 

Maybe go outside, get some fresh air, clear the cobwebs out a little.  Or maybe go on Facebook and tell everyone how you want to unfriend anyone who voted for Trump, like many of my whackjob Leftie "friends."  That should put a skip in your step!   

[Ron_Artest 1,278]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

If that's what you think, I suggest you take a break from your Leftie media.  I mean, the article specifically said threaten acts of violence, or pay Hamas money to fund their terrorist activities. 

Maybe go outside, get some fresh air, clear the cobwebs out a little.  Or maybe go on Facebook and tell everyone how you want to unfriend anyone who voted for Trump, like many of my whackjob Leftie "friends."  That should put a skip in your step!   

It's cute that you still believe what this regime tells you.

[jerryskids 6,688]

3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

It's cute that you still believe what this regime tells you.

Says the guy who thinks they are going to arrest anyone who said FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA.  Take a break Gutter, you are broken.  If you don't want to go outside, maybe some meditation?   

[Ron_Artest 1,278]

7 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Says the guy who thinks they are going to arrest anyone who said FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA.  Take a break Gutter, you are broken.  If you don't want to go outside, maybe some meditation?   

I'm fine skids, I spend more time outside than you.  You're just brainwashed.  Get off Facebook.

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2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I'm fine skids, I spend more time outside than you.  You're just brainwashed.  Get off Facebook.

Impossible you work from home doing IT.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,184]

22 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Who defines "the material support of terrorism"?  I'm guessing it will be anyone who says RIVER TO THE SEA.

This is the same guy that stuck up for a rapist and blamed the victim because the perp was a tranny. His mind is now twisted. 

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11 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Says the guy who thinks they are going to arrest anyone who said FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA.  Take a break Gutter, you are broken.  If you don't want to go outside, maybe some meditation?   

Why wouldn’t they? GC says that’s a Call for the Extermination of All Jews.  

[jerryskids 6,688]

7 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I'm fine skids, I spend more time outside than you.  You're just brainwashed.  Get off Facebook.

You think so?  I'm retired in a place where a million other retired people go to enjoy the weather this time of year.  You live in NJ.  

I'm not on FB much, but when I go, I often see sky screamers say what I posted.  I've never seen that from a Trump supporter. 

[jerryskids 6,688]

13 minutes ago, MDC said:

Why wouldn’t they? GC says that’s a Call for the Extermination of All Jews.  

It is, but it's not a threat of violence, it's a support of it.  It's also not paying Hamas.  These are the things listed.  I know you are just a troll on this, but at least read and be better at trolling.  HTH

[The Real timschochet 6,570]

1 hour ago, Mark Davis said:

It may not make them criminals.  But it does unfortunately make their society in totality too dangerous to allow into our country.  When you have children being raised from birth to support terrorism, it's poisoned their minds beyond what can be changed for the populace as a whole.  Just like cheering the bodies in the streets might not be a crime, it speaks to the mentality of the population.  I agree the majority aren't criminals, but that sympathetic to terrorism belief is something that has been taught since childhood we just can't remove.  We don't need terrorist sympathizers in our country due to the risk of them acting, teaching their children this ideology, or aiding someone who would take such actions.

You’re collectivizing. And it’s wrong. 
 

I have a Palestinian tenant in one of the shopping centers I manage. An auto mechanic shop. Nicest guy. I’ve met his family before. Very sweet. Now I’ve never discussed politics with him so maybe he’s a pro-terrorist. I’ve no idea. But he quietly operates a business, pays his rent. He knows I’m Jewish. Never been anything but friendly. 
 

Now you’re saying we shouldn’t have these folks in our country based on the off chance that they might be terrorist or terrorist sympathizers? Perhaps I’m what you’d consider a bleeding heart but that’s unacceptable to me. It’s NOT what this country is supposed to be about. We treat everyone as an individual no matter where they’re from. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,184]

1 hour ago, Mark Davis said:

It may not make them criminals.  But it does unfortunately make their society in totality too dangerous to allow into our country.  When you have children being raised from birth to support terrorism, it's poisoned their minds beyond what can be changed for the populace as a whole.  Just like cheering the bodies in the streets might not be a crime, it speaks to the mentality of the population.  I agree the majority aren't criminals, but that sympathetic to terrorism belief is something that has been taught since childhood we just can't remove.  We don't need terrorist sympathizers in our country due to the risk of them acting, teaching their children this ideology, or aiding someone who would take such actions.

Great post. Islam ruins everything it touches. Including Islam 

[Mark Davis 378]

21 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re collectivizing. And it’s wrong. 
 

I have a Palestinian tenant in one of the shopping centers I manage. An auto mechanic shop. Nicest guy. I’ve met his family before. Very sweet. Now I’ve never discussed politics with him so maybe he’s a pro-terrorist. I’ve no idea. But he quietly operates a business, pays his rent. He knows I’m Jewish. Never been anything but friendly. 
 

Now you’re saying we shouldn’t have these folks in our country based on the off chance that they might be terrorist or terrorist sympathizers? Perhaps I’m what you’d consider a bleeding heart but that’s unacceptable to me. It’s NOT what this country is supposed to be about. We treat everyone as an individual no matter where they’re from. 

You are using a singular example to identify someone who is friendly to you.  Maybe he's the best guy in the world, let's give him all the benefit of the doubt.

I still contend we cannot tell when bringing people from that region of the world.  Their culture is rife with pro terrorist indoctrination.  Because of kids being taught that from a young age, there's nothing we can do about a large proportion of them from being pro terrorist, sympathetic, enabling, willing to help, God forbid become a willing terrorist.  I believe we agree that they teach these things to young Palestinians.  Therefore, each person you bring in from that region poses a disproportionate risk to my family and yours. You can't find a way to weed out the good from the bad, and there is a disproportionate amount of bad because of those teachings.

I'm not trying to personalize this argument to you by giving personalized examples of what could happen, but I'm not willing to risk my family for what you would like to believe looking through an idealist prism.  I don't know that you are so much a bleeding heart, but I feel you're more of an idealist.  Since what this country is about is an opinion, mine is different in that I feel you've gone a little askew.   Yes, it's about individuals from all over, individuals who aspire to be American and assimilate.  What we are seeing from that region are migrants who have no interest in our ways, they in large percentages hate the West.  They, in large, don't want to live like the West, they want the destruction of the West.  Europe is learning this the hard way and I'm not willing to go down that path.  

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43 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Great post. Islam ruins everything it touches. Including Islam 

The Palestinians in particular have issues when it comes to extremism.  There's a reason that even other Arab/Islamic countries have been unwilling to accept them in any significant quantities.  They can't vet them with any certainty.  To act as if we can somehow vet them, absorb them and these problems magically go away is not realistic. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,184]

12 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

The Palestinians in particular have issues when it comes to extremism.  There's a reason that even other Arab/Islamic countries have been unwilling to accept them in any significant quantities.  They can't vet them with any certainty.  To act as if we can somehow vet them, absorb them and these problems magically go away is not realistic. 

Dumb Americans only look at Islam as a religion, and not a political ideology, which it also is. And that ideology is to conquer  and convert everything , just like communism. 

[Strike 5,361]

53 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re collectivizing. And it’s wrong. 
 

I have a Palestinian tenant in one of the shopping centers I manage. An auto mechanic shop. Nicest guy. I’ve met his family before. Very sweet. Now I’ve never discussed politics with him so maybe he’s a pro-terrorist. I’ve no idea. But he quietly operates a business, pays his rent. He knows I’m Jewish. Never been anything but friendly. 
 

Now you’re saying we shouldn’t have these folks in our country based on the off chance that they might be terrorist or terrorist sympathizers? Perhaps I’m what you’d consider a bleeding heart but that’s unacceptable to me. It’s NOT what this country is supposed to be about. We treat everyone as an individual no matter where they’re from. 

It always amazed me how much you post about groups like Muslims but not a peep our of you about all the Racism and Xenophobia being directed at Elon Musk by the Dems right now.  And you follow this same formula repeatedly for different "marginalized" groups while ignoring the abuse thrown at other groups, including Jewish people.

[jerryskids 6,688]

1 hour ago, Mark Davis said:

You are using a singular example to identify someone who is friendly to you.  Maybe he's the best guy in the world, let's give him all the benefit of the doubt.

I still contend we cannot tell when bringing people from that region of the world.  Their culture is rife with pro terrorist indoctrination.  Because of kids being taught that from a young age, there's nothing we can do about a large proportion of them from being pro terrorist, sympathetic, enabling, willing to help, God forbid become a willing terrorist.  I believe we agree that they teach these things to young Palestinians.  Therefore, each person you bring in from that region poses a disproportionate risk to my family and yours. You can't find a way to weed out the good from the bad, and there is a disproportionate amount of bad because of those teachings.

I'm not trying to personalize this argument to you by giving personalized examples of what could happen, but I'm not willing to risk my family for what you would like to believe looking through an idealist prism.  I don't know that you are so much a bleeding heart, but I feel you're more of an idealist.  Since what this country is about is an opinion, mine is different in that I feel you've gone a little askew.   Yes, it's about individuals from all over, individuals who aspire to be American and assimilate.  What we are seeing from that region are migrants who have no interest in our ways, they in large percentages hate the West.  They, in large, don't want to live like the West, they want the destruction of the West.  Europe is learning this the hard way and I'm not willing to go down that path.  

But Mark, Tim knows a guy, he's Palestinian, he pays his rent, he knows Tim is Jewish and hasn't tried to kill him yet, so we should not collectivize and instead let all of them in.

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14 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re collectivizing. And it’s wrong. 
 

I have a Palestinian tenant in one of the shopping centers I manage. An auto mechanic shop. Nicest guy. I’ve met his family before. Very sweet. Now I’ve never discussed politics with him so maybe he’s a pro-terrorist. I’ve no idea. But he quietly operates a business, pays his rent. He knows I’m Jewish. Never been anything but friendly. 
 

Now you’re saying we shouldn’t have these folks in our country based on the off chance that they might be terrorist or terrorist sympathizers? Perhaps I’m what you’d consider a bleeding heart but that’s unacceptable to me. It’s NOT what this country is supposed to be about. We treat everyone as an individual no matter where they’re from. 

You're the same guy that always says that anecdotes don't count towards proof and yet here you are, providing one yourself and extrapolating that to the entire population.

So do anecdotes count or not?  You can't have it both ways.