Hitler didn’t murder millions of people, public sector workers did

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1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Well, if you want to play dumb that's EXACTLY what you would think.  Or you could think like a logical adult and kind of get that he meant that Hitler had help from a whole host of people that killed all those Jews.

Did you really think Hitler killed 6 million jews by himself?  Like, literally turned on the ovens in all the concentration camps?

Strictly in my opinion, a logical adult would express that in some other way than the way he did. Regardless of the basis of your point, even you express it ably while Musk does not. We have to imagine an Elon Musk who is somehow sloppy in his words or not a fully literate person. The man can obviously express thought the way he intends.

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On 3/14/2025 at 8:43 AM, weepaws said:

Very scary, trump did call Epstein friend.  

Such a pathetic retard loser you are 

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51 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

That's interesting, because when Musk says "Hitler didn't murder millions of people" it sounds like Musk is saying Hitler didn't murder millions of people.

So weak.  You’re not serious, right? 

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Imagine cucking for this South African fake dudebro tech doosh and also trying to say pro Palestinian protests on campus threaten Jews.

You’d have to be the vacant shell of a man.  

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53 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

That's interesting, because when Musk says "Hitler didn't murder millions of people" it sounds like Musk is saying Hitler didn't murder millions of people.

Well technically he didn’t. Hitler never grabbed a gun and shot anyone; he never operated a gas chamber or crematorium; so far as we know he never visited a concentration camp. 

BTW Musk’a actual statement wasn’t just about Hitler; it was about Hitler, Stalin and Mao. Which I think strengthens my interpretation of it. Musk is saying that in each case it was the state apparatus that actually carried out these crimes. 
 

LOL and before any conservative around here tries to give me props again or thanks me for my “intellectual honesty” just keep in mind that I regard what Musk actually meant here to be just as offensive. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well technically he didn’t. Hitler never grabbed a gun and shot anyone; he never operated a gas chamber or crematorium; so far as we know he never visited a concentration camp. 

BTW Musk’a actual statement wasn’t just about Hitler; it was about Hitler, Stalin and Mao. Which I think strengthens my interpretation of it. Musk is saying that in each case it was the state apparatus that actually carried out these crimes. 
 

LOL and before any conservative around here tries to give me props again or thanks me for my “intellectual honesty” just keep in mind that I regard what Musk actually meant here to be just as offensive. 

This notion that people in power don't actually yaknow kill people is ludicrous. 

And I don't think such a context helps at all. He's making the false rhetorical claim that government is murderous and destructive in and of itself, without distinguishing one form of government from another. All this from a guy who is one of the biggest government contractors in the world and who is seeking to gain even more control via even more contracting.

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7 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

He's making the false rhetorical claim that government is murderous and destructive in and of itself, without distinguishing one form of government from another. 

Well to be fair among extreme libertarians (I’ve been libertarian at times but never extreme) this is indeed a popular point of view. Which is why I wrote that it’s extremely offensive. 
I will grant you that your point about it coming from a dude who has relied on government for virtually ALL of his wealth is shameless. 

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26 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You’re not serious, right? 

The claim is that Hitler, Mao and Stalin did not murder people. Yes I am dead serious in maintaining they did.

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27 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The claim is that Hitler, Mao and Stalin did not murder people. Yes I am dead serious in maintaining they did.

They ordered the murders. They didn’t carry them out. That was other people.  Get it? 

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2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They ordered the murders. They didn’t carry them out. That was other people.  Get it? 

Ordering a murder makes one a murderer. Mao murdered millions by famine, invasion, torture, public and secret executions. This is why Mao was a mass murderer. Musk is leading the Maga faithful into cute word games about communist genocide.

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1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

This notion that people in power don't actually yaknow kill people is ludicrous. 

And I don't think such a context helps at all. He's making the false rhetorical claim that government is murderous and destructive in and of itself, without distinguishing one form of government from another. All this from a guy who is one of the biggest government contractors in the world and who is seeking to gain even more control via even more contracting.

 He is not maling false rhetorical claims.  The point is you can't kill millions of people without a strong government apparatus, not that all powerful governments become mass murderers.

The idea that Trump/Musk are fascist dictators because they are systematically dismantling many of the most abusive and wasteful is such an absurdly retarded atguement, I simply can not understand how 1/3 of the population swallow such a stupid argument.  You seem to have been taken in by these stupid arguments from the mass propaganda campaign.   

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Actually this isn't funny stuff at all.  This post comes from the people that said Covid wasn't a lab leak, that Ivermectin was just a horse paste pill, so on and so forth.  Simpletons who spread propaganda.  These folks,  through confirmation bias spread out-of -context information to fit a narrative and make themselves feel important.  All with out doing any due diligence to compare from multiple sources to see if what they are spreading holds water....or not.  

These people are dangerous.  There have been two attempts to assassinate Trump already.  Liberals are vandalizing property, promoting internet hacks, inciting violence against Elon, his businesses, friends and employees.  This is not okay.

When people lose the war of ideas, they resort to name calling (Nazi!@#!) and violence.  It's happening real time.

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3 hours ago, jonmx said:

 He is not maling false rhetorical claims.  The point is you can't kill millions of people without a strong government apparatus, not that all powerful governments become mass murderers.

The idea that Trump/Musk are fascist dictators because they are systematically dismantling many of the most abusive and wasteful is such an absurdly retarded atguement, I simply can not understand how 1/3 of the population swallow such a stupid argument.  You seem to have been taken in by these stupid arguments from the mass propaganda campaign.   

Ah, this is fine. Mao Tse Tung is not a murderer then. And following this conservative, logical line of reasoning, what is your take on Mao? Is he a good man who merely seized the reins of power to drive his people out of poverty?

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Jeez. Liberals are really dumb. 

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11 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Ah, this is fine. Mao Tse Tung is not a murderer then. And following this conservative, logical line of reasoning, what is your take on Mao? Is he a good man who merely seized the reins of power to drive his people out of poverty?

Yes.  Mao was a good man.  And you’re an idiot. 

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12 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Ah, this is fine. Mao Tse Tung is not a murderer then. And following this conservative, logical line of reasoning, what is your take on Mao? Is he a good man who merely seized the reins of power to drive his people out of poverty?

You are not following the logic in the slightest.  You are projecting bs.

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4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Jeez. Liberals are really dumb. 

Seriously. 

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5 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Seriously. 

Are they ever not dumb? It's freaking crazy how consistent they are. 

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Good thread. I'm enjoying reading it. 

I just recently rewatched Hitler on AMC. I'll watch anything about Hitler or WWII. Fascinating.

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7 hours ago, jonmx said:

You are not following the logic in the slightest.  You are projecting bs.

Huh, confusing, I could’ve sworn I was told that Mao wasn’t a murderer.

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7 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yes.  Mao was a good man.

I give you The Musk-Trump New Conservative Republican.

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Bunch'O TRIGGERED Libs in here.  Awesome. 

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11 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Bunch'O TRIGGERED Libs in here.  Awesome.

It’s been going on since 2015. The whole driving force for Maga is ‘what upsets liberals is good.’ That’s the whole thing.

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41 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

It’s been going on since 2015. The whole driving force for Maga is ‘what upsets liberals is good.’ That’s the whole thing.

Tax breaks for the rich is my #1. 

Pwning libs is just for fun.  

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18 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Ordering a murder makes one a murderer. Mao murdered millions by famine, invasion, torture, public and secret executions. This is why Mao was a mass murderer. Musk is leading the Maga faithful into cute word games about communist genocide.

 

The point was none of those dictators could murder millions by themselves.   They had to have a strong government apparatus to physically carry out those mass murders.   You are just being a retard leftist.  I hate such intellectual dishonesty.  It is impossible to have a discussion when one side is completely irrational and disingenious.   

Musk and Trump are trying to weaken the central government and reduce its power over the citizens.  Our federal government has grown and grown in power for decades.  The feds have carved out massive power under the guise of doing it to protect us from gangsters, then the mob, then Communists, then terrorists, then right-wing extremists.  The feds have slowly expanded those powers in millions of federal regulations written by anonymous bureaucrats and have systematically stripped away every one of our Constitutional rights.  But you don't give a crap because your mind has become rot due endless propaganda resulting in TDS.  

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6 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

It’s been going on since 2015. The whole driving force for Maga is ‘what upsets liberals is good.’ That’s the whole thing.

Nope. That part is just a bonus. 

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7 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

It’s been going on since 2015. The whole driving force for Maga is ‘what upsets liberals is good.’ That’s the whole thing.

Is that your coping mechanism? 

I think you're trying to make it as simple and generic as possible for your psyche otherwise the truth of the matter would explode your head.   If that's what you have to do to not shoot up a school, then I guess you should keep doing it.  But, understand, that is not even close to the truth or reality.

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10 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Is that your coping mechanism? 

I think you're trying to make it as simple and generic as possible for your psyche otherwise the truth of the matter would explode your head.   If that's what you have to do to not shoot up a school, then I guess you should keep doing it.  But, understand, that is not even close to the truth or reality.

Exactly what it is. Only their wants have substance. It’s the opposite, but they have been told they are the smart ones by their masters. It’s a cult. They think men can get pregnant. Or they at least play along with it. 

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2 hours ago, jonmx said:

The point was none of those dictators could murder millions by themselves.   They had to have a strong government apparatus to physically carry out those mass murders.   You are just being a retard leftist.  I hate such intellectual dishonesty.  It is impossible to have a discussion when one side is completely irrational and disingenious.   

Musk’s point was to besmirch public sector employees by comparing them to Nazis. You’re being disingenuous if you argue otherwise.

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6 minutes ago, MDC said:

Musk’s point was to besmirch public sector employees by comparing them to Nazis. You’re being disingenuous if you argue otherwise.

   Always fear mongering 

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1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Is that your coping mechanism? 

I think you're trying to make it as simple and generic as possible for your psyche otherwise the truth of the matter would explode your head.   If that's what you have to do to not shoot up a school, then I guess you should keep doing it.  But, understand, that is not even close to the truth or reality.

I’m fine, I’ve read a good deal of history. 

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Judges are trying to force the US to bring back illegal gang bangers. I see liberals cheering for the return of the gang bangers. Wtf?

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11 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I’m fine, I’ve read a good deal of history. 

Too bad you don't understand what you read.  

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1 hour ago, MDC said:

Musk’s point was to besmirch public sector employees by comparing them to Nazis. You’re being disingenuous if you argue otherwise.

He besmirched the corruption ineffectiveness and abuse which ultimately results from large regulatory bureaucracies.   You idiots want to put public servants on some kind of pedestal.   But people in bureaucracies will step in-line no matter what evil they are directed to do.  Musk is not calling individual employees NAZIs, but pointing out large government organizations are required to have fascist/authoritarians.  You are suchba focking retard.  I am so sick of you bastards who act so clueless on what authoritarianism is.  

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1 minute ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Judges are trying to force the US to bring back illegal gang bangers. I see liberals cheering for the return of the gang bangers. Wtf?

I know people who live in that area.  They are so thankful those bastards were cleaned out of there.  People were moving out and property values were plummeting. 

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It is hard to believe there are people who really believe the world will stop unless we employ 4 million bureaucrats.   We could cut it down to 2 million and 99 percent of the people would never notice if it weren't for the media crying bloody murder. 

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1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I’m fine, I’ve read a good deal of history.

 Reading, yes. 

Understanding, no.

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59 minutes ago, jonmx said:

It is hard to believe there are people who really believe the world will stop unless we employ 4 million bureaucrats.   We could cut it down to 2 million and 99 percent of the people would never notice if it weren't for the media crying bloody murder. 

You think if Joe Biden did the same thing they'd be just as hysterical? Not a f****** chance. 

They are told how to react and they obey.

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1 hour ago, jonmx said:

He besmirched the corruption ineffectiveness and abuse which ultimately results from large regulatory bureaucracies.   You idiots want to put public servants on some kind of pedestal.   But people in bureaucracies will step in-line no matter what evil they are directed to do.  Musk is not calling individual employees NAZIs, but pointing out large government organizations are required to have fascist/authoritarians.  You are suchba focking retard.  I am so sick of you bastards who act so clueless on what authoritarianism is.  

There are a million ways to make that point without invoking Nazis, dimwit.