JFK Assassination Records released - link in this thread

[Hardcore troubadour 15,908]

Oswald was the lone shooter. There was a plot to assassinate JFK. 

[shadrap 252]

Allen Dulles was head of the CIA until JFK fired him after his Bay of Pigs fiasco which Dulles lied to JFK on the operation before it was started.   JFK was also going to dismantle the CIA piece by piece as they were a rogue agency assassinating & replacing leaders around the world with no oversight from the President.  Guess who behind the scenes cajoled & plotted his way on the Warren commission as the leading authority?  Alan Dulles.  He hated Kennedy.  The Warren commission buried a lot of information that was detrimental to the CIA with direction from Dulles.  Bobby Kennedy wanted to investigate the assassination but knew he could only get to the truth if he was President, thus he ran for the job.  He of course was then killed.  The assassination of JFK was a CIA operation IMHO.

Book:  Allen Dulles-The devils Chessboard

 

[TheNewGirl 1,633]

I thought the interview with Casasin was interesting: https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2025/0318/180-10143-10227.pdf

Oswald wasn't KGB, but they thought it odd he wanted to come back to the US. He didn't really have a reason, his wife was Russian, and he was disoriented, and he and his wife got their return VISAs incredibly easily, and quick.  There's also some stuff in there about how in 1962, there was a file on Oswald and when they finally reviewed it, said something about counterintelligence. 

Personally, I think he was the lone shooter, but did have some kind of contact with the CIA, not as an operative but the fact that he was in Russia, CIA was monitoring him as best they could and he may have been secretly with the KGB. 

[Gepetto 1,444]

4 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/15/us/billie-sol-estes-texas-con-man-dies-at-88.html

Billie Sol Estes, a fast-talking Texas swindler who made millions, went to prison and captivated America for years with mind-boggling agricultural scams, payoffs to politicians and bizarre tales of covered-up killings and White House conspiracies, was found dead on Tuesday at his home in Granbury, Tex. He was 88.

He died in his sleep and was found in his recliner, Mr. Estes’s daughter Pamela Padget said.

Nonexistent fertilizer tanks. Faked mortgages. Bogus cotton-acreage allotments. Farmers in four states bamboozled. Strange “suicides,” including a bludgeoned investigator shot five times with a bolt-action rifle. Assassination plots. Jimmy Hoffa and Fidel Castro. Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald.

The rise and fall of Billie Sol Estes was one of the sensations of the postwar era: the saga of a good-ol’-boy con man who created a $150 million empire of real and illusory farming enterprises that capitalized on his contacts in Washington and the gullibility and greed of farmers, banks and agriculture businesses.

He was a Bible-thumping preacher who gave barbecues for governors and senators, rode his bike to work in Pecos, Tex., and his airplane to Washington, and was named one of America’s 10 outstanding young men of 1953 by the United States Junior Chamber of Commerce. Later, autographed photos of John F. Kennedy, Harry S. Truman, Lyndon B. Johnson and others lined his walls.

As his empire crumbled in 1962, the notoriety of Billie Sol, as nearly everyone in America called him, might have been passing had it not been for the bodies that kept cropping up, for the bribery scandals and fraud in federal farm programs, and for Mr. Estes’s own lurid accounts of how it all happened and who was involved.

Many of his statements were self-serving and never proved — particularly allegations about Johnson. Mr. Estes said that he had given millions to Johnson, and that Johnson, while he was vice president, had ordered seven killings disguised as suicides or accidents to cover up his connections to the frauds and had then set up the assassination of Kennedy in 1963 to become president.

The Estes chronicles filled newspapers and magazines, inspired books and songs, created new lines for comedians and conspiracy theorists, and played out politically in myriad ways. Scandal-loving Americans lapped them up. Mr. Estes’s smiling, dimpled moon face — with a liquid fertilizer tank in the background — was on the cover of Time magazine on May 25, 1962, then its all-time best-selling issue.

“This government is staying right on Mr. Estes’s tail,” a harried President Kennedy said at an overflowing news conference as he, Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy and Agriculture Secretary Orville L. Freeman were thrown on the defensive by almost daily revelations in the serpentine scandal.

Administration officials were fired. Congressmen who had taken favors were mortified. Scores of F.B.I. agents were dispatched to Texas to investigate suspicious deaths. Richard M. Nixon, then running for governor in California, called it “the biggest national scandal since Teapot Dome.” Political cartoonists had a field day, caricaturing Mr. Estes and Washington as mired in the same farm muck.

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In 1963, Mr. Estes was convicted on federal charges and sentenced to 15 years. A state conviction was overturned on grounds of prejudicial news coverage. After exhausting appeals and serving six years, he was paroled in 1971. In 1979, he was convicted of tax fraud and served four more years. He was released in 1983.

A year later, in what he called a voluntary statement to clear the record, Mr. Estes told a Texas grand jury that Johnson, as vice president in 1961, had ordered that Mr. Marshall be killed to prevent him from disclosing Johnson’s ties to the Estes conspiracies. He said a Johnson aide, Malcolm Wallace, had shot him.

The Justice Department asked Mr. Estes for more information, and the response was explosive. For a pardon and immunity from prosecution, he promised to detail eight killings arranged by Johnson, including the Kennedy assassination. He said that Mr. Wallace had not only persuaded Jack Ruby to recruit Lee Harvey Oswald, but that Mr. Wallace had also fired a shot in Dallas that hit the president.

Mr. Estes also claimed knowledge of a White House plan to kill Fidel Castro and a plot by the former Teamster boss Jimmy Hoffa to kill Robert Kennedy. Mr. Estes reiterated his allegations in a book, “JFK, the Last Standing Man” (2003), written with William Reymond, and a memoir, “Billie Sol Estes: A Texas Legend” (2004).

As with similar allegations in books, articles and documentaries over the years, none of the Estes claims could be proved. Johnson had died in 1973, and everyone else, except Mr. Estes, was also dead.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,330]

It says right there the CIA was responsible. They were involved. As for the second shooter, I never got involved with that debate.

Since our own CIA is in the business of killing presidents, its obvious they were involved in the Trump assassination attempt.

https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1902150221276316082?s=19

[TBayXXXVII 2,656]

17 hours ago, Tebok said:

Going to laugh when it turns out that Oswald was the lone shooter after all, forcing all the MAGAs here to STFU with their loony conspiracy theory.

Imagine thinking that the people in government behind the assassination, would leave a paper trail and purposefully include it in the files.

[zsasz 382]

Geraldo's opening of Al Capones Vaults generated more buzz than this.

 

That being said, kudos to Trump for releasing them.  Now, lets get that Roswell crap out in the open.  

[TheNewGirl 1,633]

1 hour ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

It says right there the CIA was responsible. They were involved. As for the second shooter, I never got involved with that debate.

Since our own CIA is in the business of killing presidents, its obvious they were involved in the Trump assassination attempt.

https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1902150221276316082?s=19

That X thread is mostly people showing how Israeli Intelligence was also involved. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,908]

So Israel is all over these documents, the CIA wanted Israel kept out of it , and Jack Ruby, born Jack Rubenstein, killed the guy that was yelling he was a Patsy. Meh

[Frozenbeernuts 2,330]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So Israel is all over these documents, the CIA wanted Israel kept out of it , and Jack Ruby, born Jack Rubenstein, killed the guy that was yelling he was a Patsy. Meh

Weird how many of them change their names like that. Despite them being our supposed greatest ally.

[Gepetto 1,444]

If you believe the CIA was involved based on one guy's friends hearsay that a small CIA clique killed Kennedy because he was on to their illicit money laundering, drugs, etc scam, then I don't know what to tell you. Anyway, that's not the same as the leader(s) of the CIA being involved for political reasons.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,908]

So, after every American gangster had been run out of Cuba after Castro took over, Jack Ruby (Rubenstein) goes there for 10 days. 

[TheNewGirl 1,633]

I have yet to locate it, but before his death, JFK Jr. sent a note to the FBI/DOJ stating that Joe Biden was a traitor; trying to find the PDF file to link. A lot of people seem to think JFK Jr was set up as well. 

Hillary ended up with his Senate seat after he died in 1999. 

[Strike 5,969]

4 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

I have yet to locate it, but before his death, JFK Jr. sent a note to the FBI/DOJ stating that Joe Biden was a traitor; trying to find the PDF file to link. A lot of people seem to think JFK Jr was set up as well. 

Hillary ended up with his Senate seat after he died in 1999. 

Set up in his plane crash?

[TheNewGirl 1,633]

Just now, Strike said:

Set up in his plane crash?

Yes. 

[The Real timschochet 7,343]

9 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

I have yet to locate it, but before his death, JFK Jr. sent a note to the FBI/DOJ stating that Joe Biden was a traitor; trying to find the PDF file to link. A lot of people seem to think JFK Jr was set up as well. 

Hillary ended up with his Senate seat after he died in 1999. 

A lot of people seem to think this story is total bullsh!t. I am certainly one of them. 

[TheNewGirl 1,633]

15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

A lot of people seem to think this story is total bullsh!t. I am certainly one of them. 

I haven't made a judgement on it yet, just thought it was interesting to have JFK Jr and Biden in the assassination files. If that's where they even were. Who knows. 

[Strike 5,969]

18 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Yes. 

Interesting.  I love a good conspiracy theory, and there are plenty to go around when it comes to the Kennedy's, but they'd have to have a really compelling case to convince me of that one.  Everything I've read and watched on that accident points to an inexperienced pilot flying in to IMC conditions, resulting in spatial disorientation.  Unfortunately, that scenario is all too common in aviation.  I've seen no evidence to contradict that conclusion.  This is the first time I've heard of anyone suggesting a different scenario.

[TheNewGirl 1,633]

Just now, Strike said:

Interesting.  I love a good conspiracy theory, and there are plenty to go around when it comes to the Kennedy's, but they'd have to have a really compelling case to convince me of that one.  Everything I've read and watched on that accident points to an inexperienced pilot flying in to IMC conditions, resulting in spatial disorientation.  Unfortunately, that scenario is all too common in aviation.  I've seen no evidence to contradict that conclusion.  This is the first time I've heard of anyone suggesting a different scenario.

Yeah, I've never heard much past that either. I thought it was odd that someone would put that "memo" or whatever it was into the assassination files. Something about his son from 1994, about a Biden death threat/being a traitor. 

 

I've bene randomly clicking through the released files, just kind of pursuing and I've yet to see that one. 

 

[Gepetto 1,444]

1 hour ago, TheNewGirl said:

I have yet to locate it, but before his death, JFK Jr. sent a note to the FBI/DOJ stating that Joe Biden was a traitor; trying to find the PDF file to link. A lot of people seem to think JFK Jr was set up as well. 

Hillary ended up with his Senate seat after he died in 1999. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fact-check-hillary-clinton-jfk-jr-and-2000-new-york-senate-race/5993292002/

Kennedy, then 38, was clearly on Clinton’s radar, Gillon writes, and one of the first lady’s advisers said the camp was “scared" over his potential candidacy. Meanwhile, one of the pros Kennedy had approached, New York union leader Dennis Rivera, assured him at a meeting on St. Patrick’s Day 1999 that state Democratic power brokers would tell Clinton to “stand back” should Kennedy chose to enter the race, Gillon writes.

For his part, Kennedy was hesitant, asking “will people take me seriously?” before bailing on the race days later. “I don’t think it’s time for me,” Gillon quotes him as saying. Besides, the author adds, Kennedy’s magazine, which sought to highlight the connection between politics and entertainment, was struggling. And his young marriage required nurturing.

Clinton, meanwhile, forged ahead with her plans. On July 6, she filed the paperwork required by the Federal Election Commission to begin raising money. That was followed by her “listening tour” to see if New Yorkers would accept someone who had never lived in the state as a candidate to represent the them in the Senate.

[TheNewGirl 1,633]

2 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fact-check-hillary-clinton-jfk-jr-and-2000-new-york-senate-race/5993292002/

Kennedy, then 38, was clearly on Clinton’s radar, Gillon writes, and one of the first lady’s advisers said the camp was “scared" over his potential candidacy. Meanwhile, one of the pros Kennedy had approached, New York union leader Dennis Rivera, assured him at a meeting on St. Patrick’s Day 1999 that state Democratic power brokers would tell Clinton to “stand back” should Kennedy chose to enter the race, Gillon writes.

For his part, Kennedy was hesitant, asking “will people take me seriously?” before bailing on the race days later. “I don’t think it’s time for me,” Gillon quotes him as saying. Besides, the author adds, Kennedy’s magazine, which sought to highlight the connection between politics and entertainment, was struggling. And his young marriage required nurturing.

Clinton, meanwhile, forged ahead with her plans. On July 6, she filed the paperwork required by the Federal Election Commission to begin raising money. That was followed by her “listening tour” to see if New Yorkers would accept someone who had never lived in the state as a candidate to represent the them in the Senate.

Ah, this makes more sense. TY. 

[jonmx 2,457]

11 hours ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

JFK Jr. quoted as calling Biden a “traitor” back in the 90’s.  Hmmmm….

Neither Kennedy would like the complete shitshow the Democrat party has become.  

[jonmx 2,457]

9 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oswald was the lone shooter. There was a plot to assassinate JFK. 

How did Oswald get to the grassy knoll were the kill shot certainly came from?  The lone nut theory has more holes in it than JFK did. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,908]

12 minutes ago, jonmx said:

How did Oswald get to the grassy knoll were the kill shot certainly came from?  The lone nut theory has more holes in it than JFK did. 

The more important part is the acknowledgement of the plot, not the way it was carried out. 

[TheNewGirl 1,633]

Someone needs to take all of these documents and write a book. 

I have not seen anything yet that makes me go, "HOLY SHIITE." 

Lots of Russia, Cuba, Viet Nam stuff. But I am just randomly clicking and reading. So, I could be missing some other cool stuff. 

 

I did read about someone that was a CO and gave reports of all kinds of random people that were suspected KGB, CIA operatives, etc. One told the CO he was excited that a CIA agent was going to take him to a stripper show in Paris.

[jonmx 2,457]

2 hours ago, TheNewGirl said:

Someone needs to take all of these documents and write a book. 

I have not seen anything yet that makes me go, "HOLY SHIITE." 

Lots of Russia, Cuba, Viet Nam stuff. But I am just randomly clicking and reading. So, I could be missing some other cool stuff. 

 

I did read about someone that was a CO and gave reports of all kinds of random people that were suspected KGB, CIA operatives, etc. One told the CO he was excited that a CIA agent was going to take him to a stripper show in Paris.

There was one CIA agent who wrote a report pinning the assassination on a CIA cell.  That same agent committed 'suicide' 6 months later.   

[Gepetto 1,444]

43 minutes ago, jonmx said:

There was one CIA agent who wrote a report pinning the assassination on a CIA cell.  That same agent committed 'suicide' 6 months later.   

He wrote a report? Are you sure about that? Link?

I don't think he documented anything. The document was based on the investigation of JFKs assasination based on what his friend reported him telling them. That's not the same as him writing a report himself.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/jfk-files-who-is-gary-underhill-in-assassination-files/

[Ron_Artest 2,127]

4 hours ago, TheNewGirl said:

I have yet to locate it, but before his death, JFK Jr. sent a note to the FBI/DOJ stating that Joe Biden was a traitor; trying to find the PDF file to link. A lot of people seem to think JFK Jr was set up as well. 

Hillary ended up with his Senate seat after he died in 1999. 

So I see you've moved on from the auto pen?

Now Biden is sabotaging planes for murder?

[Gepetto 1,444]

Starts at 6:00 

 

[Mike Honcho 5,411]

I just read that the real killer was heart disease. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,656]

On 3/19/2025 at 4:52 PM, TheNewGirl said:

I have yet to locate it, but before his death, JFK Jr. sent a note to the FBI/DOJ stating that Joe Biden was a traitor; trying to find the PDF file to link. A lot of people seem to think JFK Jr was set up as well. 

Hillary ended up with his Senate seat after he died in 1999. 

I wouldn't be surprised, the dude is corrupt as heII and a total scumbag. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,908]

Remember that time JFK said he wanted to break up the CIA into a million little pieces and then they assassinated him? 

[SaintsInDome2006 594]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Remember that time JFK said he wanted to break up the CIA into a million little pieces and then they assassinated him? 

The Trumpistas actually released every square millimeter and ounce of remaining documentation loaded with CIA & FBI bits, but still zip on this. Maybe Donnie has the proof in his throne room in Palm Beach.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,908]

42 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The Trumpistas actually released every square millimeter and ounce of remaining documentation loaded with CIA & FBI bits, but still zip on this. Maybe Donnie has the proof in his throne room in Palm Beach.

So you think it was one guy? 

[SaintsInDome2006 594]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So you think it was one guy? 

Yes I happen to think it was one guy and the one guy was Lee Oswald. But I do not pretend to be right much less know much. I've just been looking at the 'they're hiding something' for a really long time and even Oswald's Soviet handler has spoken. The FBI and CIA have been gone through. The only person who never said anything was Jackie, and that's because everyone respected her feelings and what she went through.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,908]

20 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Yes I happen to think it was one guy and the one guy was Lee Oswald. But I do not pretend to be right much less know much. I've just been looking at the 'they're hiding something' for a really long time and even Oswald's Soviet handler has spoken. The FBI and CIA have been gone through. The only person who never said anything was Jackie, and that's because everyone respected her feelings and what she went through.

The CIA has been gone through?   Holy shitt. You’re more of a sucker than I thought.  

[Tebok 443]

I'll take a nothingburger with cheese.

[SaintsInDome2006 594]

10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The CIA has been gone through?   Holy shitt. You’re more of a sucker than I thought.  

Ha, would you like someone more skeptical than Tulsi Gabbard and John Ratcliffe to go through the CIA's stuff? They didn't even redact anything.