Federal Judge blocks Trump military ban on transgenders

[SaintsInDome2006 418]

1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

If a serial killer saved my life, I would say thank you.  Doesn't mean I'd nominate him for police chief.

Serial killers don’t become cops. It’s like saying if elephants drive cars they’d be great employees for Uber. 

[TheNewGirl 1,372]

7 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

You kid but I’s all silly at this point. Gays are already allowed & the USSC already ruled on that. Trying to make distinctions just lands pretty much like this kind of ridiculousness.

Gay and trans is NOT the same. Sorry. 

[TheNewGirl 1,372]

Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Serial killers don’t become cops. It’s like saying if elephants drive cars they’d be great employees for Uber. 

There are actually several serial killers who worked in law enforcement at one time or another; the Golden State Killer is a big one for starters. 

[SaintsInDome2006 418]

5 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Well, according to the LA fire chief, people want someone rescuing them that looks like them.   So maybe your liberal side doesn't actually agree with this?

Yeah I agree those arguments are ridiculous as well. 

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Serial killers don’t become cops. It’s like saying if elephants drive cars they’d be great employees for Uber. 

What you just said makes no sense.  Like at all.  Jesus.

The Golden State killer was a cop you moron.

 

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1 minute ago, TheNewGirl said:

There are actually several serial killers who worked in law enforcement at one time or another; the Golden State Killer is a big one for starters. 

Absolute brain dead response.  Guess that was a gotcha of some sort.   Backfired

[SaintsInDome2006 418]

Just now, TheNewGirl said:

There are actually several serial killers who worked in law enforcement at one time or another; the Golden State Killer is a big one for starters. 

Thank you, I didn’t realize that. Point made. But a TS isn’t a serial killer of bad person unless they are, in which case hopefully we’re excluding bad characters from the military to begin with.

[SaintsInDome2006 418]

Just now, supermike80 said:

The Golden State killer was a cop

I replied to a normal, polite response above that made the same point. Thanks for your response as well though.

[TheNewGirl 1,372]

4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Thank you, I didn’t realize that. Point made. But a TS isn’t a serial killer of bad person unless they are, in which case hopefully we’re excluding bad characters from the military to begin with.

This straw man isn't going the way you'd like it to.

Jefferey Dahmer and Dennis Rader were also in our military. 

No one aside from you is bringing serial killers and elephants driving cars into this silliness aside from you. 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Thank you, I didn’t realize that. Point made. But a TS isn’t a serial killer of bad person unless they are, in which case hopefully we’re excluding bad characters from the military to begin with.

Your point was if a ts saved my life id say thank you.  I pointed out how silly a counter that was. Just pointless

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9 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Thank you, I didn’t realize that. Point made. But a TS isn’t a serial killer of bad person unless they are, in which case hopefully we’re excluding bad characters from the military to begin with.

And i dont think ts folks are bad people. They are just suffering from clear mental illness.  If a man believed he was a cat he shouldnt be allowed in the military either. 

Probably shouldnt repky and say no person identifies as a cat.

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34 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

What if they are overdue for an estrogen injection and just cannot bring themselves to get on the chopper and head out into combat?

 

Nothing like putting destructive weapons in the hands of the mentally depressed. 

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58 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Yep.

If someone is willing to lay down their life for our country I say welcome aboard.

But as others have pointed out, multiple times:  gender dysphoria is a mental illness which requires significant counseling, and those who have undergone or are undergoing medical alterations (hormones, surgery) require constant medications.  Both of these disqualify the person from deployment in the battlefield.  I've said before, my daughter with Type 1 diabetes cannot join either, because of the physical/medication issue (she requires constant insulin access).  It's a practical limitation that has long existed for other such conditions.

[SaintsInDome2006 418]

Just now, jerryskids said:

But as others have pointed out, multiple times:  gender dysphoria is a mental illness which requires significant counseling, and those who have undergone or are undergoing medical alterations (hormones, surgery) require constant medications.  Both of these disqualify the person from deployment in the battlefield.  I've said before, my daughter with Type 1 diabetes cannot join either, because of the physical/medication issue (she requires constant insulin access).  It's a practical limitation that has long existed for other such conditions.

I'm open to this argument, seriously. Medications and mental health diagnosis of some kind are barriers, I totally agree. 

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33 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Serial killers don’t become cops. It’s like saying if elephants drive cars they’d be great employees for Uber. 

Its just amzing your brain equated those two things. What a foking idiot.   Wow. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,728]

21 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Nothing like putting destructive weapons in the hands of the mentally depressed. 

 

Transgenderism is a mental illness.  Should be disqualifying.  Our military should not be paying for transitioning.   

[SaintsInDome2006 418]

5 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Its just amzing your brain equated those two things.

Yes. Mr. Horseman, wonderful hashing things out with you.

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1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Yep.

If someone is willing to lay down their life for our country I say welcome aboard.

Except they're not doing that. They're joining to get the FREE tranny surgery and conversion.  HTH. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,880]

1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

You kid but I’s all silly at this point. Gays are already allowed & the USSC already ruled on that. Trying to make distinctions just lands pretty much like this kind of ridiculousness.

What drugs and medications and surgery do just gay people have?  You're not only evading the point, you're also making stuff up and trying compare apples to oranges. 

Trannies should be their own group - literally ask gay people what they think. Go ahead.  I'll wait.

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49 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Gay and trans is NOT the same. Sorry. 

 

48 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

There are actually several serial killers who worked in law enforcement at one time or another; the Golden State Killer is a big one for starters. 

TheNewGirl delivering beat downs like it was her job!  Keep up the good work. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,880]

42 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

This straw man isn't going the way you'd like it to.

Jefferey Dahmer and Dennis Rader were also in our military. 

No one aside from you is bringing serial killers and elephants driving cars into this silliness aside from you. 

Not only that, didn't we just have a bunch of instances of trannies shooting up schools too?  I mean, the more he posts, the more retarded he gets in his defense of all things far left.

[SaintsInDome2006 418]

3 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

What drugs and medications and surgery to just gay people have?  You're not only evading the point, you're also making stuff up and trying compare apples to oranges. 

Trannies should be their own group - literally ask gay people what they think. Go ahead.  I'll wait.

Eh I already responded to this point further up and I said it was a good point.

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2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

There is no deportation order, never was and there never has been.

• In October 2019 Judge Jones granted Garcia's order for “withholding of removal” based on his “well-founded” fear of persecution by Barrio 18. The government did not appeal, so Jones’s ruling is now final.
• The Trump DHS released Garcia.
• Every year since then under both Trump1 and Biden and up to January 2nd this year Garcia checked in. 

 

Why are you posting this in the military tranny thread?   Take a break, man.......

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Bad decision by the SC to let this stand even for now. Nobody has made a good argument as to why a transgender adult can not serve honorably in the U.S. military. This is based, IMO, on fear and bigotry. 

Of course it is. And as noted on the Twitters;

The ruling has sparked significant debate, with advocates for transgender rights arguing it discriminates against service members who have already proven their commitment and capability.

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The executive order is not well stated, it is not eloquent. The sole defense that most of you have offered is the statement that transgenderism is a mental illness. This is not true. There is actually scientific evidence that it is not true. I offer it here: 

https://www.gob.mx/salud/prensa/a-study-made-in-mexico-proves-that-the-transgender-is-a-condition-not-a-mental-disease

That’s one study but its findings are supported by the vast majority of scientists, psychiatrists, and doctors all over the world. If you want to reject the science and believe otherwise, you’re not only wrong in this instance, but you’re likely a bigot. HTH

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Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. Thats just science. Case closed. 

[The Real timschochet 6,510]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. Thats just science. Case closed. 

Transgender adults do not suffer from gender dysphoria. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,880]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The executive order is not well stated, it is not eloquent. The sole defense that most of you have offered is the statement that transgenderism is a mental illness. This is not true. There is actually scientific evidence that it is not true. I offer it here: 

https://www.gob.mx/salud/prensa/a-study-made-in-mexico-proves-that-the-transgender-is-a-condition-not-a-mental-disease

That’s one study but its findings are supported by the vast majority of scientists, psychiatrists, and doctors all over the world. If you want to reject the science and believe otherwise, you’re not only wrong in this instance, but you’re likely a bigot. HTH

You're so desperate that you're finding any piece of garbage confirmation bias to prove your position about trannies.  Listen, Tim.  No one believes you - other than that pink-haired 75 year-old lesbian Squiztard - and this fake pseudo science "reports" and "studies" you keep bringing up.  The real science has been known for a long time now and it hasn't changed - trannies are mostly mentally ill.  Sorry, Tiim.  You're on the wrong side of history, science and the American people on this.  Even Europe has massively pulled back on the tranny garbage and even ruled that men are not, in fact, women no matter how much they scream to the heavens.

I'll admit, though, you science deniers and enablers of the mentally ill sure are persistent.  Incredibly wrong, but persistent.

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6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Transgender adults do not suffer from gender dysphoria. 

They suffer in a perpetual world of make believe. 

[Strike 5,261]

16 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The executive order is not well stated, it is not eloquent. The sole defense that most of you have offered is the statement that transgenderism is a mental illness. This is not true. There is actually scientific evidence that it is not true. I offer it here: 

https://www.gob.mx/salud/prensa/a-study-made-in-mexico-proves-that-the-transgender-is-a-condition-not-a-mental-disease

That’s one study but its findings are supported by the vast majority of scientists, psychiatrists, and doctors all over the world. If you want to reject the science and believe otherwise, you’re not only wrong in this instance, but you’re likely a bigot. HTH

Mental illness is NOT the only justification offered.  Do you have issues with reading comprehension?  May be a side effect of pedophilia.

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20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Transgender adults do not suffer from gender dysphoria. 

American Psychiatric Association:

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Though gender dysphoria often begins in childhood, some people may not experience it until after puberty or much later.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,987]

13 minutes ago, Strike said:

Mental illness is NOT the only justification offered.  Do you have issues with reading comprehension?  May be a side effect of pedophilia.

Oooof. That’s a takedown.  

[Horseman 2,383]

31 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The executive order is not well stated, it is not eloquent. The sole defense that most of you have offered is the statement that transgenderism is a mental illness. This is not true. There is actually scientific evidence that it is not true. I offer it here: 

https://www.gob.mx/salud/prensa/a-study-made-in-mexico-proves-that-the-transgender-is-a-condition-not-a-mental-disease

That’s one study but its findings are supported by the vast majority of scientists, psychiatrists, and doctors all over the world. If you want to reject the science and believe otherwise, you’re not only wrong in this instance, but you’re likely a bigot. HTH

Ah. When Tim said he's never heard of a good argument he really meant never one that he agrees with and if you say it's a mental illness you're a bigot. His way of trying to dismiss a valid argument before it gets off the ground. 

And next time when you link to a study as some sort of proof link to the actual paper, not some hack website in Mexico. JFC you already have zero credibility as it is.  

100% blowhard. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,987]

Hasn’t Europe banned these surgeries for kids?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,987]

A non- citizen police officer in California was recently arrested for raping an invalid. 

[The Real timschochet 6,510]

1 hour ago, Horseman said:

American Psychiatric Association:

 

Once a transgender person has successfully transitioned they are cured of gender dysphoria. A person suffers from gender dysphoria BEFORE the transition. That’s why what I wrote is correct: a transgender adult does not have  gender dysphoria. 

[The Real timschochet 6,510]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

Mental illness is NOT the only justification offered. 

The other justifications offered are insignificant. Mental illness IS significant if it were true. But it isn’t. 

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8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The other justifications offered are insignificant. Mental illness IS significant if it were true. But it isn’t. 

Yeah. It is

[Hardcore troubadour 14,987]

Someone with dyslexia can still serve if they can show they can perform the duties without accommodation. How is it possible for a post op tranny to serve without accommodation? 

[Strike 5,261]

32 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The other justifications offered are insignificant. Mental illness IS significant if it were true. But it isn’t. 

No, the other justifications are not insignificant.  They're significantly significant.