Federal Judge blocks Trump military ban on transgenders

[jerryskids 6,592]

32 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The other justifications offered are insignificant. Mental illness IS significant if it were true. But it isn’t. 

The need for ongoing medication for those who have physically transitioned is by itself sufficient to exclude such people from service. This has been discussed, you just don't like the answer

[The Real timschochet 6,504]

Just now, jerryskids said:

The need for ongoing medication for those who have physically transitioned is by itself sufficient to exclude such people from service. This has been discussed, you just don't like the answer

So we are to exclude everyone from the military who needs medication on a regular basis? 

[The Real timschochet 6,504]

I mean this issue (medication) doesn’t need to be complicated. Just make it so a transgender is responsible for his or her own medication. If they don’t take it and that interferes with their duties THEN you can discharge them. But not before it’s shown that the individual can’t perform his or her duties. Pretty simple. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,979]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I mean this issue (medication) doesn’t need to be complicated. Just make it so a transgender is responsible for his or her own medication. If they don’t take it and that interferes with their duties THEN you can discharge them. But not before it’s shown that the individual can’t perform his or her duties. Pretty simple. 

You have no clue about the mission of the military. I had to get my wisdom teeth pulled prior to deployment. Can you tell me why? 

[supermike80 1,819]

15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I mean this issue (medication) doesn’t need to be complicated. Just make it so a transgender is responsible for his or her own medication. If they don’t take it and that interferes with their duties THEN you can discharge them. But not before it’s shown that the individual can’t perform his or her duties. Pretty simple. 

So different rules for them?  Yeah, that builds cohesion within a unit 

[jbycho 622]

32 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I mean this issue (medication) doesn’t need to be complicated. Just make it so a transgender is responsible for his or her own medication. If they don’t take it and that interferes with their duties THEN you can discharge them. But not before it’s shown that the individual can’t perform his or her duties. Pretty simple. 

Wow. 

[The Real timschochet 6,504]

58 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

So different rules for them?  Yeah, that builds cohesion within a unit 

What different rules? Whatever medicine they take is their own business. 

[The Real timschochet 6,504]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You have no clue about the mission of the military. I had to get my wisdom teeth pulled prior to deployment. Can you tell me why? 

No and I don’t really care unless you can explain why a person taking his or her own medicine in private interferes with serving in the military. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,979]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

No and I don’t really care unless you can explain why a person taking his or her own medicine in private interferes with serving in the military. 

Forget it. You’re clueless and should really shut up about this. 

[The Real timschochet 6,504]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Forget it. You’re clueless and should really shut up about this. 

I won’t. These people deserve to be treated like everyone else. I heard the same bullsh!t when gays weren’t allowed in the military. That’s all it is, bullsh!t. Eventually your kind will be defeated. 

[Engorgeous George 2,163]

9 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

No and I don’t really care unless you can explain why a person taking his or her own medicine in private interferes with serving in the military. 

Because the nature of military service is that it can be unpredictable as to schedules and as to supply logistics.  That means regular doses of medications are not assured and as military service entails being essential personnel, even for support personnel who are noncombat personnel, that is a problem if someone becomes unfit to serve at inopportune times.  For decades the left has tried to experiment with military service to advance their causes.  The thing is military service has one, essential, and overriding goal, and the left needs to understand that.  You need to understand that.  Sometimes the adults must prevail and this is one of those times. 

 

Forget combat roles in war time.  Picture a supply flight bringing routine, non-essential supplies to a base a thousand miles from any border or action.  Upon landing the plane hits a severe wind shear and crashes, catching fire.  The fire suppression personnel are commanded by Madam Twerker who is discommoded by not having her regular doses of everything she needs to keep her crotch wound from closing back up.  She has no replacement.  The fire suppression crew dispatches without her.  They arrive 5 seconds late to the crash site and deploy their equipment 2 seconds longer than it would normally take them with Madam Twerker's supervison and participation.  Being understaffed by one person they take an additional 10 seconds to get the jet fuel flames under control.  Now imagine one of your family or friends was alive in that wreckage the flames advancing on them.  Would that 17 seconds be of relevance?  And that is in a non combat zone.

 

Fitness for service is not a new concept and it should not be a political concept.  It needs to be a readiness concept.  Somehow I imagine you would be 4F but you want to decide who is fit for service which you would never do even were you fit.  Leave this one to the adults who know what they are talking about.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,878]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You have no clue about the mission of the military. I had to get my wisdom teeth pulled prior to deployment. Can you tell me why? 

Same here.  Here's how that went:

PFC EternalShinyAndChrome shows up at the "dentist" office on base at MCRD

"Dentist"  - and I use that term loosely - pulls out pliers, puts boot on PFC EternalShinyAndChrome's face and yanks on teeth while boot keeps head still

45 minutes and 4 wisdom teeth later, PfC EtneralShinyAndChrome is given Tylenol and the rest of the day of bed rest before being sent back out to train in the field

[Hardcore troubadour 14,979]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Same here.  Here's how that went:

PFC EternalShinyAndChrome shows up at the "dentist" office on base at MCRD

Dentist pulls out pliers, puts boot on PFC EternalShinyAndChrome's face and yanks on teeth while boot keeps head still

45 minutes and 4 wisdom teeth later, PfC EtneralShinyAndChrome is given Tylenol and 1 day of bed rest before being sent back out to train in the field

lol. I got the morning off. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,878]

34 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

What different rules? Whatever medicine they take is their own business. 

I would just STFU about military stuff which you have absolutely ZERO idea on how it works.  All you have is wish fulfillment fantasies.  

Yes, in fact, what medicine a member takes is not just their business, but also the business of his band of brothers as their lives are DIRECTLY dependent upon each.  You can't depend upon a guy having a diabetic seizure, nor can you depend upon a guy having mental illness.  We've all seen videos of the trannies losing their sh#t simply because you don't agree with them that they are women.  Can't have that out in the field when everyone's lives are at stake.

Sit this one out.  It's patently obvious you have no idea what the military is for, what it does and how it operates.  Or, I suggest you go down to your local recruiters office and sign up to get an understanding of what "band of brothers" means.  Although, at your advanced age and fried-food physique they'll probably laugh you out of the office so I guess that means you'll just have to STFU and listen to those who HAVE served.

[shorepatrol 1,870]

This place sucks, thanks Timmy 

[iam90sbaby 2,503]

10 hours ago, TheNewGirl said:

There are actually several serial killers who worked in law enforcement at one time or another; the Golden State Killer is a big one for starters. 

Autistic response 

[iam90sbaby 2,503]

8 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

The executive order is not well stated, it is not eloquent. The sole defense that most of you have offered is the statement that transgenderism is a mental illness. This is not true. There is actually scientific evidence that it is not true. I offer it here: 

https://www.gob.mx/salud/prensa/a-study-made-in-mexico-proves-that-the-transgender-is-a-condition-not-a-mental-disease

That’s one study but its findings are supported by the vast majority of scientists, psychiatrists, and doctors all over the world. If you want to reject the science and believe otherwise, you’re not only wrong in this instance, but you’re likely a bigot. HTH

Thank god the GOB cleared that up for us 

[Cdub100 3,850]

We don't want mentally ill people in the military. It's hard enough as is.

 

[Horseman 2,382]

I haven't heard a good argument. 

That's not true!

That's not substantive!

It's all bullchit!!!!!!!!!!

What a foking loser.  

[Fireballer 2,639]

How much time should be alotted for regularly irrigating fake vaginas?