***The 151st Running of the Kentucky Derby***

[GobbleDog 985]

1) Citizen Bull                   13-1                         11) Flying Mohawk             28-1

2) Neoequos                     38-1                         12) East Avenue                  39-1

3) Final Gambit                 15-1                         13) Publisher                       30-1

4) Rodriguez                       9-1   Scratched    14) Tiztastic                         20-1

5) American Promise      12-1                         15) Render Judgment        16-1

6) Admire Daytona          39-1                          16) Coal Battle                    24-1

7) Luxor Cafe                     8-1                           17) Sandman                        5-1

8)) Journalism                   4-1                           18) Sovereignty                    9-1

9) Burnham Square        17-1                           19) Chunk of Gold              27-1

10) Grande                       18-1   Scratched      20) Owen Almighty            37-1

                                                                              21) Baeza                            17-1

Odds updated May 3, 2:40 pm. Post time: May 3, 6:57 pm. 

Gentlemen, get your dollar bills ready!  

[GobbleDog 985]

2022 Kentucky Derby when an  80-1 longshot stunned the world.  $1 Superfecta paid $321,500  

 

[listen2me 23 1,831]

Always like this thread.  Was actually just thinking about this today and goofled stuff.  

[GobbleDog 985]

Alright, time to abacus.  Same old qualifier - Eliminate horses not finishing in the top 2 in the five major prep races. Horses that merely prepped in those races account for 21 of the last 25 Derby winners (22 if not Medina Spirit dq). 17 of those 21 winners finished top two in the preps … (18 if not Medina Spirit dq).

Last year, the system lost by a photo finish nose.  The winner Mystik Dan (3^rd in Arkansas) beat Sierre Leone (1^st in Blue Grass).  This year:

Arkansas Derby

1. Sandman

2. Publisher

Blue Grass Stakes

1.Burnham Square

2. East Avenue

Wood Memorial

1. Rodriguez

2. Grande

Santa Anita Derby

1. Journalism

2. Baeza   Currently not in Derby – will be #21 if there’s a scratch

Florida Derby

1. Tappan Street  Not in Derby

2. Sovereignty

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Eight left… let’s widdle

#13 Publisher (34-1) Some horses break their maiden on their first race, some their second, occasionally third… this eternal optimist has entered SEVEN races and still hasn’t won. Eighth time’s a charm? I don’t think so. No maiden has won the Derby in 91 years.

#12 East Avenue (49-1) Finishing 2^nd in the Bluegrass is excusable - several recent Derby winners didn’t win their final prep.  Finishing 9^th and 10^th in the prior races is atrocious and shows what happens when he doesn’t go wire to wire. Faded down the stretch at the Bluegrass which is 1 1/8 mile long… the Derby is 1 ¼ mile.  He’ll be up front early – then buried under a cloud of dust at the finish.

#9 Burnham Square  (29-1) Always Be Cobbling, err closing.  This horse is a closer. Takes his sweet time before turning on the jets.  Went from dead last to winning by a nose in the Bluegrass. Used that strategy a few times - sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn’t. That was against fields of 7 or fewer with questionable talent. How’s he gonna fare against 19 of the world’s best? Deep closers have won the Derby, but sparingly. Perfect pace and perfect trip are required - prefectoin is rare.

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Five left. Wish I could stop here because the Derby winner will probably be one of these. Instead I have to think of dumb reasons to not pick them:

#4 Rodriguez (11-1) A speedster with big time ownership, HOF jockey and infamous trainer Barry Bonds, err Bob Baffert. Yes, the suspension is over and he’s got a fast horse - 101 Beyer speed is second only to Journalism. Only problem is the speedster aspect – can he wire the field like he did at the Wood? From the 4^th spot, he’ll use early speed to avoid being squashed out of the gate and probably lead into the stretch.  Then it gets complicated. Will he have enough juice to hold off the talented field down the final furlong? Magic Eight Ball says… ‘no – screw Baffert.’ Might not matter because with a name like Rodriguez he’ll probably get deported to El Salvador before the race even starts.

#17 Sandman (5-1) With 8 races under his belt, he’s one of the most experienced horses in the Derby. Has the look of a great thoroughbred and good bloodline. Speed figures improved every race. What’s not to like?  In spite of experience, the horse still hasn’t figured out how to run straight as he zig-zags down the stretch. 5 stakes races with only 1 win at Arkansas in which he was merely the third favorite that day. Has the dreaded #17 post which has never won the Derby. To be fair, there weren’t twenty horses racing in the early days, but the current streak is 0 for 45. Someday it’ll happen, but hopefully not anytime soon as I love a good losing streak. Stinking Cubs already broke the goat curse.

#10 Grande (23-1) The Shedeur Sanders of horses… son of Curlin (3^rd at ’07 Derby), trained by Pletcher (2 Derby wins), jockeyed by Velazquez (3 Derby wins). He’s got everything, but experience. Just 3 total races and no stakes win. The Wood Memorial is technically a major prep race, but let’s be real – it’s Grade 2. That’s like playing for Colorado in the Big 12.  The last horse to win the Derby from the Wood was Funny Cide in ‘02. Still nobody should be shocked if he does it… 97 Beyer and has lots going for him. On the flip side, he’s probably a self-entitled douche bag.   

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Two left, from Santa Anita and Florida Derby. These preps account for 13 of last 25 Derby winners (15 if not Medina Spirit & Max Security dq’s).  11 of those 13 were top two in those preps. So stats are in our favor. 

#18 Sovereignty (13-1) 3 stakes races finishing 1^st, 1^st, and 2^nd ahead of several Derby entries including Sandman, Burnham Square, Tiztastic, and Neoequos. His first stakes race even took place at Churchill Downs. Respected trainer – Bill Mott, good jockey – Alvarado. Was favorite in the Florida Derby and finished strong down the stretch. His closing style might spell traffic trouble, but the main knock is SPEED or lack thereof – best Beyer is only 95, which actually declined his last outing to 92 – not exactly the resume of a Derby champion. Brisnet’s power rating ranks him 9^th in this field, indicating he desperately needs a Bob Baffert injection.

Therefore by my infallible logic the 2025 Kentucky Derby winner will be:

#8 Journalism (3-1) Yeah I know. Any idiot can pick the favorite, but I’m a special brand of idiot.  Best horse in the field by every metric with the fastest Beyer by a wide margin at 108. Raced in three graded stakes loaded with talent… won ‘em all. Stalks mid-pack and then pounces down the stretch winning by at least a full length every time.  Another son of Curlin who can overcome trouble like in the Santa Anita. Only knock – the field size. In 4 of 5 starts, there were only five horses.  Luckily drew the 8^th post which should help with the traffic compared to inside posts. If he was racing against only 7 or 8 at a time, he’d destroy them. But it’s a crowded Derby. I can accept that, as every horse that doesn’t wire the field has to deal with traffic, but not every horse is this damn good.

This helps when picking the Derby favorite -

From 2012 and earlier, no favorite had won the Derby in 20+ years (wore out chasing speedsters). Then Derby qualification rules changed to a point system to reduce speedster horses. Suddenly in 2013, '14, '15, '16, '17 and '18, the favorite won every Derby.  The favorite has now finished top three in 10 of the last 12 races.  

Tid-bit: 11 of last 14 Derby winners had a best Beyer speed of 100+ on their resume. Surprisingly, the only Derby horses with that this year: Journalism 108, Rodriguez 101, and Baeza 101 (if he gets in).  To be fair, horses have been racing less in recent years so that stat might not hold water… unless it happens again and then it’s officially the Word of God.

My long-shot is #14 Tiztastic (21-1)

Must say this feels like one of the weaker Derby fields in recent years. Stat wise Journalism far outshines the others unlike past years where the favorite had several close rivals. If he can survive the brutal traffic of the Derby, he’s got a decent shot at the Triple Crown. Feel free to mock this paragraph when he finishes dead last.

Good luck gentlemen.

[GobbleDog 985]

The unmentioned…

#1 Citizen Bull (12-1) Five stakes races, won 3. Respectable Beyer speed best 98. Only Journalism had lower odds at Santa Anita.  Unfortunately he finished 4^th - even more unfortunately he’s now post #1. Reagan was president that last time post 1 took the roses. Hasn’t progressed the way some hoped. Gonna burn all his fuel early due to the post and after that – face more speed than he’s ever dealt with before. Might get lucky and hit board, but more likely finishes mid pack.

#2 Neoequos (71-1) Led the Florid Derby heading into the stretch, but faded to 3^rd place. His prior Grd 2 race he was also in the lead, and also faded badly finishing 3^rd.  See a trend? He’s about to run the longest race of his life against the world’s best talent, and start from the #2 post. Anyone want to guess what happens? Might as well shoot him now.

#3 Final Gambit (16-1) Brad Cox trained coming off victory in Grd 3 Jeff Ruby Stakes. Bit of a closer and primarily raced on synthetic surfaces. Has a best Beyer speed of 90.  Not great. This horse is gonna fall back early and try to slowly gain ground. How much ground while eating dirt for the first time his career? Probably not much, but trainer Brad Cox wouldn’t enter him without a puncher’s chance so possibly a very lucky 4^th place, but more likely mid-pack.

 #5 American Promise (7-1) Speedster horse. 9 starts, 2 wins and neither were stakes races. His two stakes races… 5^th and 7^th.  Lukas trained and best Beyer of 95.  Nice.  No chance of winning, but can he hit the board?  Yeah, probably not.

 #6 Admire Daytona (62-1) Daytona Beach, USA!?. No, that’s Daytona as in “bonsai Pearl Harbor.” This Jap horse took 4 starts to break maiden, and eventually took 1^st in the UAE Grd 2 (no Beyer speed reported). Don’t know about foreign races, but experts say take his brother Luxor Café if you’re into the oriental thing. This one brings shame on his family.

#7 Luxor Cafe (17-1) Four straight wins, that’s nice. Were they quality? Don’t know – foreign races and none were graded stakes. Best Beyer speed - none reported. He’s son of American Pharoah and experts seem to like him saying “might hit the board” - if he doesn’t, the owner will serve him as sushi in his restaurant.  I’ll be at that restaurant having a plate of Luxor while singing the National Anthem. Remember the Alamo!

#11 Flying Mohawk (51-1) Turf horse with no dirt experience and only faced weak competition.  Beyer speed best 85. Won’t hit the board, but gaining interest from sponsors – mainly SuperGlue.

#14 Tiztastic (21-1) A closer with five stakes races finishing 3^rd or better all but once. A new jockey in last race (Rosario) helped and he won Grd 2 Louisiana Derby race with Beyer of 95. He’s faced the best talent and rarely wins, but usually competes.  Good trainer, jockey, and breading. Probably finishes on or near the board.  Odds seem long considering everything.

#15 Render Judgment (15-1) Outclassed. Three stakes races, never better than 5^th. Beyer speed best 90. Surprising they even bothered to enter him. Wish I was a rich assh0le with money to burn. Instead of just an assh0le.

#16 Coal Battle (39-1) Weird horse. Broke maiden first try, stunk next two, then a 4 race winning streak including a Grd 2 stakes win at the Rebel with Beyer speed of 91. Then regressed to 3^rd at Arkansas.  Experts say he peaked too early and they may be right, but feels under-appreciated. Might hit board, but the turtle speed keeps him out of win territory.

#19 Chunk of Gold (39-1) Four races never worst than 2^nd place, including two Grd 2 stakes races where he beat a few Derby entries including American Promise, Render Judgment, and East Avenue. Speeds improved every race to a Beyer best of 92. Small time trainer and jockey - Jareth Loveberry who moonlights as a porn star, but also took 2^nd place in the 2023 Derby on Two Phil’s.  Drew a tough post, but several wise guys are still picking him to hit the board.

#20 Own Almighty (46-1) Won Grd 3 Tampa, then finished last in the Blue Grass despite being second favorite that day. Beyer speed best 90. Trainer didn’t want to enter the Derby, but owners insisted.  Terrible post, though wouldn’t have mattered – not fast enough and too much distance. But the owners do get to wear fancy hats.  

#21 Baeza (53-1) First replacement horse in case of scratch. Took three races to break maiden before entering the Santa Anita Grd 1 race where he ran 2^nd in a field of five with a respectable Beyer of 101. Jockey Flavien Prat is currently riding Neoequos, but can (and will) change mounts if Baeza is activated. Prat’s Derby record...  4^th, 3^rd, 3^rd, 2^nd, 1^st, 10^th and 3^rd.  Incredible. The Derby win was on 65 -1 Country House in ‘19.  The jockey alone makes Baeza a contender to at least hit the board if not win, even if he’s stuck in the 20^th post.  Experts say trainer Shirreffs sending this horse to Santa Anita immediately after his maiden win spoke volumes about his belief in the talent.    

[HB Localboy 121]

8 is Great!

[GobbleDog 985]

Quote

Why the Derby Has Never Felt Weirder

Perhaps the 2018 passing of John Asher — Churchill Downs’ beloved ambassador of Derby has thrown the Run for the Roses off its karmic bearings. In his absence, the Kentucky Derby has gotten downright weird.

• Winner Maximum Security was disqualified for impeding other runners in 2019, the first and only DQ of a winner for interference in Derby history. That elevated the 65–1 long shot Country House to Derby champion. Country House has never ran another step due to illness and injury.

• The race was contested in September 2020, thanks to the COVID-19 pandemic. That was the only time it was run outside of spring, and just the third time it took place outside of May. (The Derby was run on April 29 in 1901, and in June in 1945 when a national ban on horse racing was lifted after the Germans surrendered in World War II.) The race, won by Authentic, played out in front of acres of empty seats instead of the usual throng of 150,000. 

• The 2021 winner, Medina Spirit, was DQ’d when a post race drug test revealed the presence of the steroid betamethasone, a banned medication. The DQ elevated 12–1 shot Mandaloun to first place.

• The 2022 race was taken by Rich Strike, at knee-buckling odds of 80–1. He was the second-longest shot ever to capture the roses and could easily be labeled the biggest fluke winner in race history. Rich Strike had just a single, entry-level victory up to that point, then never won again.

• The 2023 winner, 15–1 shot Mage, also had just one prior victory in his career, and never won again after the Derby.

• Last year’s champion was Mystik Dan at 18–1, winning a three-horse photo finish. Mystik Dan has never won again, either.

Add it all up and that’s two Derby champions who didn’t actually cross under the wire first, one pandemic Derby, and three straight improbable Derby champions who are a combined 0–13 since.

https://www.si.com/more-sports/kentucky-derby-full-winners-list-triple-crowns

That's some bad Derby mojo. 

[BeenHereBefore 1,469]

That is a lot of horses and would go with a inside or outside one.

[BeenHereBefore 1,469]

Will check back into this Sat before the race and yea thanks Gobble each year for these post. I'm actually going to do a few races at Charles Town in a few.

[GobbleDog 985]

It's official - Rodriguez has been scratched and deported.  Baeza will now start as horse #21.

I'm still sticking with Journalism, but like I said in my write-up - Baeza shouldn't be dismissed off hand. Not with that jockey who thrives in the Derby.

[Gepetto 1,291]

I dislike almost all of these names. I'm not betting a horse named Journalism. wtf

[GobbleDog 985]

18 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

I dislike almost all of these names. I'm not betting a horse named Journalism. wtf

Meh, stupid horses don't know what their names are. 

Unlike people. Guess what Usain Bolt named his son?  "Lightning". And ya know he'll turn out to be slower than molasses.

[BeenHereBefore 1,469]

Guys these are a lot of horses and most will get stuck in the middle and not do crap,

[GobbleDog 985]

15 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said:

Guys these are a lot of horses and most will get stuck in the middle and not do crap,

The 20 horse field is ridiculous. The greatest horse ever, on steroids, and from a good starting gate...  could still easily lose. If they get boxed in, they can't jump over other horses.  And they can't control the pace which happened in '22 when 80-1 Rich Strike won... the early pace was ridiculous and the top horses ran out of gas.

Best you can do is make an educated guess and pray. God bless anyone gutsy enough to bet against the stat of 22 of last 25 winners (88%) racing in one of the major prep races.  I can't.

[BeenHereBefore 1,469]

44 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

The 20 horse field is ridiculous. The greatest horse ever, on steroids, and from a good starting gate...  could still easily lose. If they get boxed in, they can't jump over other horses.  And they can't control the pace which happened in '22 when 80-1 Rich Strike won... the early pace was ridiculous and the top horses ran out of gas.

Best you can do is make an educated guess and pray. God bless anyone gutsy enough to bet against the stat of 22 of last 25 winners (88%) racing in one of the major prep races.  I can't.

Exactly and why might as well take a shot at a somewhat long shot near the rail or outside.Again always good reading your breakdown who the best horse is and will talk more Sat. Thank you again for this. I lost at Charles Town now and done for the night I had a exacta for the 6 horse to come in 2nd but he beat my 1st horse.

[GobbleDog 985]

21 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said:

Exactly and why might as well talk a shot at a somewhat long shot near the rail or outside.Again always good reading your breakdown who the best horse is and will talk more Sat. Thank you again for this. I lost at Charles Town now and done for the night I had a exacta for the 6 horse to come in 2nd but he beat my 1st horse.

Oof, bad beat... we've all been there.  

You're right there's long-shot value in this race.  My guess is the winner will likely come from one of the 3 major prep races. The Blue Grass just isn't the prestigious prep it was decades ago producing just 1 winner in 30 years with the last in '07 (though last year was darn close). The Wood Memorial - a Grd 2 race, hasn't had a winner in 22 years.  

That leaves the Arkansas (Sandman, Publisher, Coal Battle) , Florida (Sovereignty, Neoequos) and Santa Anita (Journalism, Baeza, Citizen Bull).

I'm quick to toss Publisher being a maiden onto his 8th race (good lord), and Citizen Bull out the #1 post which is incredibly difficult, along with Neoequos out of the #2 post which is a speed horse that'll be hard pressed to go this distance.

That leaves Sandman (5-1), Coal Battle (27-1), Sovereignty (10-1), Journalism (4-1) and Baeza (36-1). I'm of course sticking with Journalism... but the "big upsets" I could see winning would be Coal Battle and Baeza. They have long odds, come from the best prep races, and have reasonable post positions.

[BeenHereBefore 1,469]

11 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Oof, bad beat... we've all been there.  

You're right there's long-shot value in this race.  My guess is the winner will likely come from one of the 3 major prep races. The Blue Grass just isn't the prestigious prep it was decades ago producing just 1 winner in 30 years with the last in '07 (though last year was darn close). The Wood Memorial - a Grd 2 race, hasn't had a winner in 22 years.  

That leaves the Arkansas (Sandman, Publisher, Coal Battle) , Florida (Sovereignty, Neoequos) and Santa Anita (Journalism, Baeza, Citizen Bull).

I'm quick to toss Publisher being a maiden onto his 8th race (good lord), and Citizen Bull out the #1 post which is incredibly difficult, along with Neoequos out of the #2 post which is a speed horse that'll be hard pressed to go this distance.

That leaves Sandman (5-1), Coal Battle (27-1), Sovereignty (10-1), Journalism (4-1) and Baeza (36-1). I'm of course sticking with Journalism... but the "big upsets" I could see winning would be Coal Battle and Baeza. They have long odds, come from the best prep races, and have reasonable post positions.

Thanks and may go with Journalism to win and a bit of a long shot as well to win, If I like one might throw a decent amount to show as well. Not doing a exacta with 20 dang horses, I'm a bit drunk now and will talk more before it with ya and thank you! Fun fact I'm sure you know Santa Anita is where they filmed Wally World in Vacation!

 

[Gepetto 1,291]

On 4/27/2025 at 9:13 AM, GobbleDog said:

 

4) Rodriguez                       9-1   Scratched    

 

Rodriguez was deported.

[Gepetto 1,291]

I'll be at the local track betting the horses Saturday! Let's f'n go!

[GobbleDog 985]

3 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said:

Not doing a exacta with 20 dang horses, I'm a bit drunk now and will talk more before it with ya and thank you! Fun fact I'm sure you know Santa Anita is where they filmed Wally World in Vacation!

I also stay clear of exotics at the Derby. The odds are astronomical with that field.  I play that race straight - win, place, show. Won't get rich, but don't go broke either. Just enjoy America's most famous sporting event and hopefully cash something.

And no, I didn't know Wally World was Santa Anita.  That's awesome!  "Sorry folks, park's closed. The moose out front should've told ya." 

[BeenHereBefore 1,469]

8 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Rodriguez was deported.

Van Hollen plans to get him back before the race or at least have Margaretta's with him.

[BeenHereBefore 1,469]

6 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

I also stay clear of exotics at the Derby. The odds are astronomical with that field.  I play that race straight - win, place, show. Won't get rich, but don't go broke either. Just enjoy America's most famous sporting event and hopefully cash something.

And no, I didn't know Wally World was Santa Anita.  That's awesome!  "Sorry folks, park's closed. The moose out front should've told ya." 

We are on the same page and the fun of it and basically Horse racing Superbowl. I won a little bit the last two years but nothing big and won on the showing horses.

[BeenHereBefore 1,469]

53 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

I also stay clear of exotics at the Derby. The odds are astronomical with that field.  I play that race straight - win, place, show. Won't get rich, but don't go broke either. Just enjoy America's most famous sporting event and hopefully cash something.

And no, I didn't know Wally World was Santa Anita.  That's awesome!  "Sorry folks, park's closed. The moose out front should've told ya." 

Sorry I missed some of this cause of drinking I mentioned and a cool fun fact, yea they put the Wally World banner over the Santa Anita structure when in Vacation they drove towards it. I didn't know that till like a year ago and laughed I bet at the track online and now I can see it! Love that movie and in the top 5 of my fav comedies.

[GobbleDog 985]

Rewatched that 2025 Arkansas Derby - strange race with a 9 horse field. The dead favorite (0.9 odds) Cornucopian got into speed duel right off the bat with some long-shot, setting an insane unsustainable pace and both faded badly in the final turn creating weird results ...  sorta like when 80-1 Rich Strike won the Derby.

Sandman (third favorite behind Coal Battle) was the winner with an impressive 99 Beyer speed. Publisher was 2nd, Coal Battle was 3rd.  Interestingly, Coal Battle actually beat Sandman in their prior race at the Grd 2 Rebel. 

Have to respect Sandman's speed, but overall.. not really loving the Arkansas horses.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,319]

Going to the OTB and am betting thirty six dollars box on Sovereignty, Gambit, and Citizens Bull. I know, but that’s why they call it gambling.

[BufordT 428]

On 4/29/2025 at 10:02 AM, GobbleDog said:

16 Coal Battle (39-1) Weird horse. Broke maiden first try, stunk next two, then a 4 race winning streak including a Grd 2 stakes win at the Rebel with Beyer speed of 91. Then regressed to 3^rd at Arkansas.  Experts say he peaked too early and they may be right, but feels under-appreciated. Might hit board, but the turtle speed keeps him out of win territory.

I have him underneath in my exacta’s & trifecta’s. Heard multiple “experts” report that he’s looks very sharp in his morning workouts

[GobbleDog 985]

2 hours ago, BufordT said:

I have him underneath in my exacta’s & trifecta’s. Heard multiple “experts” report that he’s looks very sharp in his morning workouts

Coal might hit the board... but I'd be surprised if he won. 29 of last 33 winners had a Beyer speed of 95 or better on their resume. Coal's best is 91, but it wasn't even from his last race - only posted 88 at Arkansas. Might be partly attributed to the ridiculous early pace in that race, but still... he's gonna need to do a lot better here.

[Mike Honcho 5,117]

I have a system that's three or four times so I'm sticking with it - I pick a horse with a good name, so I'm going with Luxor Cafe

[BufordT 428]

32 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Coal might hit the board... but I'd be surprised if he won. 29 of last 33 winners had a Beyer speed of 95 or better on their resume. Coal's best is 91, but it wasn't even from his last race - only posted 88 at Arkansas. Might be partly attributed to the ridiculous early pace in that race, but still... he's gonna need to do a lot better here.

Agree with just about everything. I go by the Brisnet figs which are a little better for Coal Battle but def slower than the top horses. He is 2/2 in the mud… against less competition of course. I don’t have him to win on any of my tickets, Just underneath. 
 

Journalism is going to be tough to beat. If he loses it’ll be because of bad luck. 

[BeenHereBefore 1,469]

I took a couple to win. Admire Daytona, East Avenue and Citizen Bull and and showing Journalism for $10.

[BeenHereBefore 1,469]

2 hours ago, BufordT said:

Journalism is going to be tough to beat. If he loses it’ll be because of bad luck. 

Or to many horses and why I took a few long shots. I show him for 10 though.

[Drizzay 699]

Horse owners are insufferable people.

[GobbleDog 985]

Good luck everyone!

The sun shines bright on my ole Kentucky home...   

[Baker Boy 1,690]

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/every-horse-2025-kentucky-derby-descendent-legendary-secretariat-report

 

Every horse in 2025 Kentucky Derby is a descendent of legendary Secretariat: report

Secretariat sired more than 660 registered foals

 

 

[patweisers44 815]

How great would it be to see ICE show up and nab a couple of jockeys?

[BeenHereBefore 1,469]

6 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/every-horse-2025-kentucky-derby-descendent-legendary-secretariat-report

 

Every horse in 2025 Kentucky Derby is a descendent of legendary Secretariat: report

Secretariat sired more than 660 registered foals

 

 

Not from Genghis Kahn?

[BeenHereBefore 1,469]

9 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Good luck everyone!

The sun shines bright on my ole Kentucky home...   

Thanks and Good luck!

 

[BeenHereBefore 1,469]

9 hours ago, BunnysBastatrds said:

Going to the OTB and am betting thirty six dollars box on Sovereignty, Gambit, and Citizens Bull. I know, but that’s why they call it gambling.

Good luck and I have Bull as well.

[thegeneral 2,941]

Burnham Square…his father was a mudder, his mother was a mudder.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,319]

The horses are on the track…