Hardcore troubadour 15,433 Posted July 4 19 minutes ago, shadrap said: Meet the staff of this rag: https://www.medicarerights.org/staff Fock Lily, Kill Junco marry Shea Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,316 Posted July 4 20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: According to this: https://www.medicarerights.org/medicare-watch/2025/07/03/final-house-vote-looms-on-devastating-health-and-food-assistance-cuts There will be millions of legal American citizens who will be cut off from Medicare, not just undocumented people and folks who don’t work but could- as @Voltaire and several other people are implying. Obviously SOMEBODY is being lied to. I provided a link to the bill and cut and pasted the passage in the bill regarding Medicaid eligibility. It's only a two-minute read and not particularly heavy lifting. I admit, it sometimes happens to me that legalese gets me lost in the weeds. I'm saying I didn't feel that problem today. I think when people realize they aren't getting kicked off of Medicaid and things have continued on the way they have been, this won't be an issue. Places could close, granted. A business is run on the margins. If your clinic/hospital client base relies even on a little on illegals or on deadbeat work-avoiding losers, that revenue will no longer be provided and you'll have to deal with it. Hopefully it's that clinic three streets over that closes and you get their eligible people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,433 Posted July 4 I used to travel out of the country often. When I did , I always bought travel health insurance. I didn’t expect another counties citizens to pay for me. Who does that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,316 Posted July 4 Marry Elizabeth, Fock Lindsey, Kill Junko Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,331 Posted July 4 18 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Fock Lily, Kill Junco marry Shea I am going to presume you meant Lindsey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,989 Posted July 4 41 minutes ago, shadrap said: Meet the staff of this rag: https://www.medicarerights.org/staff It's a modern day Lesbo Fest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,989 Posted July 4 DHS putting 17 miles of barrier in river on South Texas border 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,106 Posted July 4 1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said: DHS putting 17 miles of barrier in river on South Texas border You know what we call that? That's right - #winning! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,765 Posted July 4 3 hours ago, Voltaire said: I provided a link to the bill and cut and pasted the passage in the bill regarding Medicaid eligibility. It's only a two-minute read and not particularly heavy lifting. I admit, it sometimes happens to me that legalese gets me lost in the weeds. I'm saying I didn't feel that problem today. I think when people realize they aren't getting kicked off of Medicaid and things have continued on the way they have been, this won't be an issue. Places could close, granted. A business is run on the margins. If your clinic/hospital client base relies even on a little on illegals or on deadbeat work-avoiding losers, that revenue will no longer be provided and you'll have to deal with it. Hopefully it's that clinic three streets over that closes and you get their eligible people. I don’t know, at this time, what the truth is. But I am highly skeptical that you’re correct for a couple of reasons: first because many conservative politicians, including Josh Hawley and RonJohnson, warned that millions of deserving legal Americans would be kicked off Medicare rolls if this passed, before reluctantly voting for it anyhow. Why would they have parroted liberal propaganda designed, in your estimation, to defeat Republicans in 2026? That makes no sense. Second, removing undocumented and “underserving” people from Medicare doesn’t save the money Republicans required here. It’s that simple. The math doesn’t add up. (For the sake of honesty I need to add here that even if you were 100% right I personally would not be OK with this since I am very much opposed to removing undocumented people from Medicare. But I get that this is not a popular view particularly in this forum.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrahmaBulls 764 Posted July 4 9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: I don’t know, at this time, what the truth is. But I am highly skeptical that you’re correct for a couple of reasons: first because many conservative politicians, including Josh Hawley and RonJohnson, warned that millions of deserving legal Americans would be kicked off Medicare rolls if this passed, before reluctantly voting for it anyhow. Why would they have parroted liberal propaganda designed, in your estimation, to defeat Republicans in 2026? That makes no sense. Second, removing undocumented and “underserving” people from Medicare doesn’t save the money Republicans required here. It’s that simple. The math doesn’t add up. (For the sake of honesty I need to add here that even if you were 100% right I personally would not be OK with this since I am very much opposed to removing undocumented people from Medicare. But I get that this is not a popular view particularly in this forum.) It was just yesterday you were making all kinds of declarations about what would happen. As always, you were just emotionally lashing out after taking another L and you never have a clue what you're posting about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,765 Posted July 4 7 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said: It was just yesterday you were making all kinds of declarations about what would happen. As always, you were just emotionally lashing out after taking another L and you never have a clue what you're posting about. I o my meant that I am not 100% sure about this particular aspect of what is a very large bill. But I offered my reasons for thinking as I do. I would challenge you to refute them but I already know you’re not capable of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,025 Posted July 4 26 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said: It was just yesterday you were making all kinds of declarations about what would happen. As always, you were just emotionally lashing out after taking another L and you never have a clue what you're posting about. That's simply what liberals do. It's their thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrahmaBulls 764 Posted July 4 22 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: I o my meant that I am not 100% sure about this particular aspect of what is a very large bill. But I offered my reasons for thinking as I do. I would challenge you to refute them but I already know you’re not capable of it. I, simply, don't care to state definitively what will happen for the next 2-4 years like you do and then stand my ground like some know it all blowhard. You've got that schtick down pat. This is just another example of you posting like a teenage girl for the last 20 years. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,799 Posted July 4 4 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Fock Lily, Kill Junco marry Shea You've taken enough of a beating for Lily, so I won't pile on. 3 hours ago, Voltaire said: Marry Elizabeth, Fock Lindsey, Kill Junko This. Although, Junko has "he/him" as its pronouns. Eligible? We might need to make a ruling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,765 Posted July 4 25 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said: I, simply, don't care to state definitively what will happen for the next 2-4 years like you do and then stand my ground like some know it all blowhard. You've got that schtick down pat. This is just another example of you posting like a teenage girl for the last 20 years. Look everyone is different with regards to this forum. I like to use it to state my opinion, and offer thoughtful conversation and debate if I can. You like to use it to insult people and otherwise display a truly stunning amount of ignorance. To each their own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dizkneelande 1,101 Posted July 4 There are 72 million people collecting Medicaid. The cutting off is folks living below the federal poverty level which would be 38 million people. Leftists are retards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,025 Posted July 4 29 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said: There are 72 million people collecting Medicaid. The cutting off is folks living below the federal poverty level which would be 38 million people. Leftists are retards. Fact check: Factually correct. True. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,264 Posted July 4 We can keep say we're winning, but technically we already won. I'm still fine with reminding people. It's also comical that politicians who: Don't care about their constituents Don't know proper business from their ahole Don't actually care about the debt Don't care about keeping people on a medical system that is fked Don't know what a woman is Don't care about transgender people despite all of the grand standing Have taken money from foreign influence that is anti American Will give an opinion on the BBB I still do stand firm that bills should not be named. It's pure marketing and is more often used to describe opposite results to what the name implies. This bill is going to produce results congruent to the name so it's not as big of a deal in this case. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,989 Posted July 4 3 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said: we already won. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrahmaBulls 764 Posted July 4 1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said: Look everyone is different with regards to this forum. I like to use it to state my opinion, and offer thoughtful conversation and debate if I can. You like to use it to insult people and otherwise display a truly stunning amount of ignorance. To each their own. No you don't. There's nothing thoughtful about your drivel. You're a known liar. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,316 Posted July 4 2 hours ago, jerryskids said: You've taken enough of a beating for Lily, so I won't pile on. This. Although, Junko has "he/him" as its pronouns. Eligible? We might need to make a ruling. Small children know instinctively what men and women are but Leftoids have lost the ability to understand the difference somewhere along the way, so we have to do it for them. But that doesn't always work, especially when they go out of their way to confuse us like Junko is trying to do. Sometimes we guess wrong. I don't think Junko is terribly successful in fooling anyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonnyutah 288 Posted July 4 Just checking back in. Has anybody posted actual language from the bill that takes away healthcare from a single american? I mean if 17 million are going to have coverage removed, it should be really easy to at least find one line right? I gotta actually hand it to the AOCs and Warrrens of the democrat party. They literally made up a bunch of crap, made a specially tailored request to the cbo, and then convinced millions that their statements were in the actual bill. It is one of the finer political plays of my time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,799 Posted July 4 22 minutes ago, Voltaire said: Small children know instinctively what men and women are but Leftoids have lost the ability to understand the difference somewhere along the way, so we have to do it for them. But that doesn't always work, especially when they go out of their way to confuse us like Junko is trying to do. Sometimes we guess wrong. I don't think Junko is terribly successful in fooling anyone. Junko looks a hella lot like Androgynous Pat from SNL https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tTP1TcwqjDLyDVg9OJPzEspyk-vzMsvLVYoSCwBAHyzCWw&q=androgynous+pat&oq=androgynous+pat&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgBEC4YgAQyCggAEAAY4wIYgAQyBwgBEC4YgAQyBwgCEAAYgAQyBwgDEAAYgAQyBwgEEC4YgAQyBwgFEAAYgAQyCAgGEAAYFhgeMggIBxAAGBYYHjIICAgQABgWGB4yCAgJEAAYFhge0gEJMTE3NzRqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,533 Posted July 5 20 hours ago, Voltaire said: The personal attack was over the top to goad you deeper. I know better. Sorry I really have been trying but you were just a dangling pinata that was too juicy to pass up. I get tired of your constant lies, mistruths, weaseling, but in this case I went all in because knew you had boxed yourself in and knew in advance how easy it would be to prove you wrong by digging up the passage about Medicaid eligibility directly from the bill itself. Its a holiday which is the reason I finally have free time to post at 8:30 AM. But yeah, a lot of people have special plans for that very same reason. Had a bunch of people over yesterday, had a great time, wasn't on my phone. Same with today, another crowd, but have some time this morning before I need to start cleaning and prepping. First off I'm not a liar, you didn't prove me wrong, but let's be honest here, neither of us can predict the future. You saying that only illegals and able bodied Americans will lose their health insurance is as much of a guess as me saying that 10m Americans will lose their health insurance. Their are provisions in the bill that limit who can receive Medicaid in the future. The amount of spending for Medicaid is being reduced as well. So the clear intent of the law of to reduce healthcare. The question is who will lose it. In your post you didn't list all the provisions so you're being dishonest. You're also being dishonest about the rules of unintended consequences. The messaging by Republicans has been "illegals and 30 year old men playing video games on their parents basement". This is to sway your opinion but it's not true. We have to look at independent analysis and past results. We have groups that have done the analysis like the CBO and we have Arkansas and Georgia that tried this and we have seen it's been more people losing healthcare than the illegals and deadbeats. If you're really being honest here are some links. https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/a-closer-look-at-the-medicaid-work-requirement-provisions-in-the-big-beautiful-bill Good article I read this morning going into detail in North Carolina https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/04/rural-americans-medicaid-cuts-trump-bill I'll also add that people will still get healthcare. Instead of getting preventative care which is cheaper, they will get emergency care which is way more expensive, that they can't pay for, so then the rest of us pay for it anyway. Here is an article about a guy who died in Arkansas who messed up his work requirement reporting, lost coverage, couldn't afford medication, lost job, died. https://www.wfyi.org/news/articles/as-republicans-push-work-requirements-in-medicaid-one-state-offers-a-cautionary-tale Thousands more like this https://www.wbaa.org/science-medicine/2019-02-18/in-arkansas-thousands-of-people-have-lost-medicaid-coverage-over-new-work-rule https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/18/18146261/arkansas-medicaid-work-requirements-enrollment https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/24/trump-medicaid-funding-budget-cuts This will likely happen nationally. When? Looks like after the midterms the requirements will kick in. So we're likely to hear a lot of "wut happened to peepull dying?" Crap that you guys like to pull. They didn't want the harm and stories getting out until another election. I'm going to be having fun today and not posting much but interested to see if you are at all capable of having an honest discussion about this. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,264 Posted July 5 Imagine if everyone who is crying about shitty Medicaid and keeping people in a shitty insurance program within a shitty medical system put this much effort into actually fixing the real issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,433 Posted July 5 Congressman advocating for a health plan they aren’t part of and never would be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,533 Posted July 7 First rural hospital closing https://www.newsweek.com/nebraska-hospital-trump-district-closes-medicaid-cuts-2094487 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted July 7 6 hours ago, Ron_Artest said: First rural hospital closing https://www.newsweek.com/nebraska-hospital-trump-district-closes-medicaid-cuts-2094487 The Hospital is closing a rural clinic in a town with population 900. The hospital is not closing. Big difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,433 Posted July 7 Now that this is settled, can we get going on to the revenge aspect of the agenda? Start with Brennan and Comey. Lots of Hillary stuff out there, stir that up, always fun. Throw a brush back at Obama. Keep him quiet. Lots more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,272 Posted July 7 On 7/4/2025 at 5:47 PM, jonnyutah said: Just checking back in. Has anybody posted actual language from the bill that takes away healthcare from a single american? I mean if 17 million are going to have coverage removed, it should be really easy to at least find one line right? I gotta actually hand it to the AOCs and Warrrens of the democrat party. They literally made up a bunch of crap, made a specially tailored request to the cbo, and then convinced millions that their statements were in the actual bill. It is one of the finer political plays of my time. From one of the links Gutter posted: Quote North Carolina is set to lose $32bn in federal funding in the next decade, according to an analysis by the office of the Republican senator Thom Tillis, who represents the state. He’s one of just three Senate Republicans who voted against the bill on Tuesday. North Carolina’s expansion only went into effect in December 2023, and in less than 19 months it enrolled more than 650,000 people – all of whom will lose coverage if the program ends. Those North Carolinians are only some of the 17 million people expected to lose health insurance by 2034 across the country, according to estimates from the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office. Nearly 12 million people will lose insurance because of attacks on Medicaid. “Ultimately, Medicaid being cut is going to kill people,” said Molly Zenkler, a nurse at Mission hospital in Asheville. “I deal with people getting their feet literally amputated because they don’t have access to diabetic care. This is just going to get increasingly worse.” The reconciliation bill cuts state funding through a number of provisions. On healthcare specifically, the bill attacks complex financial maneuvers states use to draw down federal funds. It also requires states to spend enormous sums – perhaps tens of millions of dollars per state – implementing work requirements, effectively adding layers of expensive red tape. Congressional Republicans in favor of the bill argue it targets “waste, fraud and abuse”. However, it is already well-known that most Medicaid beneficiaries who can work do, and that Medicaid is one of the most cost-efficient health programs in the US, according to the American Hospital Association. Of course the bill doesn't state that. What it does is changes the funding and requirements to be on the states-- and the states can't afford it. The rolls will be reduced by attrition, as well as cuts to staffing within those agencies that will prevent people that have been removed from eligibility in error from getting the help they need to have it reinstated. And-- Funny! It takes effect after the mid terms, which will be a blue wave, so that when people get kicked off of their coverage, they'll blame democrats! People are going to die. Many of them Republican voters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,272 Posted July 7 On 7/5/2025 at 9:09 AM, Frozenbeernuts said: Imagine if everyone who is crying about shitty Medicaid and keeping people in a shitty insurance program within a shitty medical system put this much effort into actually fixing the real issue. What, in your estimation, is the REAL ISSUE? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,433 Posted July 7 Obama had the insurance companies help write his horrible, no good insurance plan. The insurance companies have cleaned up. And made the donations. Nice job Obama. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonnyutah 288 Posted July 7 3 hours ago, Fnord said: From one of the links Gutter posted: Of course the bill doesn't state that. What it does is changes the funding and requirements to be on the states-- and the states can't afford it. The rolls will be reduced by attrition, as well as cuts to staffing within those agencies that will prevent people that have been removed from eligibility in error from getting the help they need to have it reinstated. And-- Funny! It takes effect after the mid terms, which will be a blue wave, so that when people get kicked off of their coverage, they'll blame democrats! People are going to die. Many of them Republican voters. I asked for specific language in the bill stating it will take away healthcare coverage. Not paid analysis stating it will cause people to not be on medicaid even though they would have different coverage. But lets look at what you posted... Those 632k people that signed up super fast...are you assuming none of them had coverage before moving to medicaid? (Hint:most had coverage. many even already had medicaid coverage) Why do you think the analysis assumes that those people will just become uninsured instead of going back to the way they were insured? Why do you think the analysis assumes it will cost tens of millions of dollars to verify that people are working or volunteering when states like North Carolina already hired hundreds of new people to push medicaid expansion? How did they assume that millions of people will just quit medicaid coverage instead of fulfilling the new requirements or not submit paperwork even if they are already working? Why dont they provide a breakdown of that? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,533 Posted July 7 5 minutes ago, jonnyutah said: I asked for specific language in the bill stating it will take away healthcare coverage. Not paid analysis stating it will cause people to not be on medicaid even though they would have different coverage. But lets look at what you posted... Those 632k people that signed up super fast...are you assuming none of them had coverage before moving to medicaid? (Hint:most had coverage. many even already had medicaid coverage) Why do you think the analysis assumes that those people will just become uninsured instead of going back to the way they were insured? Why do you think the analysis assumes it will cost tens of millions of dollars to verify that people are working or volunteering when states like North Carolina already hired hundreds of new people to push medicaid expansion? How did they assume that millions of people will just quit medicaid coverage instead of fulfilling the new requirements or not submit paperwork even if they are already working? Why dont they provide a breakdown of that? Most of the people who signed up for Medicaid were uninsured, so they will go back to being uninsured because they can't afford insurance on their own. The goal is to get people off medicaid. Why are you arguing that it's not gonna happen? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,989 Posted July 7 5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Most of the people who signed up for Medicaid were uninsured Mexicans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,025 Posted July 7 11 minutes ago, jonnyutah said: I asked for specific language in the bill stating it will take away healthcare coverage. Not paid analysis stating it will cause people to not be on medicaid even though they would have different coverage. But lets look at what you posted... Those 632k people that signed up super fast...are you assuming none of them had coverage before moving to medicaid? (Hint:most had coverage. many even already had medicaid coverage) Why do you think the analysis assumes that those people will just become uninsured instead of going back to the way they were insured? Why do you think the analysis assumes it will cost tens of millions of dollars to verify that people are working or volunteering when states like North Carolina already hired hundreds of new people to push medicaid expansion? How did they assume that millions of people will just quit medicaid coverage instead of fulfilling the new requirements or not submit paperwork even if they are already working? Why dont they provide a breakdown of that? Gutterboy is incapable of answering that. He has an agenda to stick to so he has no time for facts. I mean, he is a liberal. 3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Most of the people who signed up for Medicaid were uninsured, so they will go back to being uninsured because they can't afford insurance on their own. The goal is to get people off medicaid. Why are you arguing that it's not gonna happen? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,272 Posted July 7 2 hours ago, jonnyutah said: I asked for specific language in the bill stating it will take away healthcare coverage. Not paid analysis stating it will cause people to not be on medicaid even though they would have different coverage. But lets look at what you posted... Those 632k people that signed up super fast...are you assuming none of them had coverage before moving to medicaid? (Hint:most had coverage. many even already had medicaid coverage) Why do you think the analysis assumes that those people will just become uninsured instead of going back to the way they were insured? Why do you think the analysis assumes it will cost tens of millions of dollars to verify that people are working or volunteering when states like North Carolina already hired hundreds of new people to push medicaid expansion? How did they assume that millions of people will just quit medicaid coverage instead of fulfilling the new requirements or not submit paperwork even if they are already working? Why dont they provide a breakdown of that? https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-truth-about-the-one-big-beautiful-bill-acts-cuts-to-medicaid-and-medicare/ Where are you finding evidence that all of these people in NC had coverage prior to getting on Medicaid? Most of those that are employed and qualify for Medicaid don't have coverage; usually because their employer doesn't offer it. Quote While some advocates of the One Big Beautiful Bill Act have claimed that it will “[stop] the subsidization of competent adults who are just choosing to not work,” the reality is that nearly all Medicaid recipients who aren’t automatically eligible based on Supplemental Security Income (SSI) or Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) and are able to work are already working. Indeed, only 8 percent of recipients between the ages of 19 and 64 who weren’t on SSI or SSDI in 2023 “[weren’t] working due to retirement, inability to find work, or other reason.” Those who were not working were statistically more likely to be older women who left the workforce to care for aging parents or children. The OBBBA requires individuals to prove that they are working, engaging in community service, or receiving work training for at least 80 hours per month—or that they are enrolled in school part time—unless they qualify for an exemption. Medicaid enrollees who are trying to find a job, are having difficulty finding employment, or who lack reliable transportation to work would be penalized under this requirement. That includes at least more than 2.6 million adults with disabilities who don’t have SSI or SSDI and have difficulty working due to disability or illness. The hires that NC made to push the expansion will all go away now, because those jobs were subsidized federally. NC can't afford them all on their own, much like many other (most? IDK) states. Quote The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated that the OBBBA will cut federal spending on Medicaid and Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) benefits by $1.02 trillion, due in part to eliminating at least 10.5 million people from the programs by 2034. With new federal limits on Medicaid eligibility likely increasing the number of uninsured, along with other provisions that restrict states’ ability to raise revenue to fund their Medicaid programs, states will have to reevaluate their budgets to either supplement the spending or cut services. Research shows that when federal funding for Medicaid decreases, states tend to cut optional benefits such as home- and community-based (HCBS) first. It is nearly impossible to carve out a specific population, such as disabled people or elderly people, because the cuts to Medicaid funding will affect everyone due to hospital closures and health care workforce layoffs. People aren't going to just "quit" Medicaid coverage. They will be pushed out due to additional hurdles that will be intentionally put before them to maintain Medicaid coverage. Quote Research indicates that paperwork requirements such as those in the bill—particularly for Medicaid—don’t increase employment rates and often increase overhead costs. A group of researchers evaluated the first year of paperwork reporting requirements in Arkansas and found that there was a significant loss of Medicaid coverage in the initial six months among eligible people and no significant change in employment. Georgia also implemented a trial program, called Pathways, that included paperwork requirements, and state caseworkers found the monthly verification of employment overly burdensome. To date, taxpayers have spent more than $86 million on Pathways only to have 6,500 participants enrolled in the first 18 months of the program—75 percent fewer enrollees than the state had estimated would participate in year one. I think we can agree that the majority of rural voters are Republicans. What is the admin going to tell them when the local hospital closes? Quote The OBBBA includes $50 billion in relief funding for rural hospitals over a five-year period to help reduce the disastrous impacts of the bill’s roughly $1 trillion in Medicaid cuts. As of May 2025, there were approximately 2,086 rural hospitals receiving $12.2 billion a year in net revenue from Medicaid. At the median, rural hospitals’ revenue from Medicaid is $3.9 million a year. Rural hospitals have some of the lowest operating margins in the nation, especially compared with urban hospitals, meaning that any reductions in revenue could lead to closures. The average operating margin for rural hospitals was 3.1 percent in 2023, with 44 percent of rural hospitals operating with negative margins. As a result, more than 300 rural hospitals are currently at “immediate risk” of closure, especially now that the OBBBA is projected to cut Medicaid spending by $1.02 trillion. The relief fund designed to blunt the negative impacts caused by the bill would not come close to filling that gap. If every rural hospital in the country received an even share of the $50 billion in relief support, it would amount to only $4.5 million every year for five years. At the close of those five years, that funding would disappear altogether. Notably, children and nonelderly adults are more likely to rely on Medicaid if they live in rural areas compared with urban areas. The prevalence rate of disability is also higher in rural areas, and disabled rural residents are more likely to be Medicaid recipients than disabled urban residents. This leaves disabled people as some of those most at risk when rural hospitals close. Not sure why this all came through with strike marks. Can't edit it. I'll trust that those of you that want to read it still can. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,533 Posted July 7 https://www.news9.com/story/68660df1026c9de326da569b/oklahoma-healthcare-officials-warn-of-rural-hospital-closures-amid-pending-medicaid-cuts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,989 Posted July 7 5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: https://www.news9.com/story/68660df1026c9de326da569b/oklahoma-healthcare-officials-warn-of-rural-hospital-closures-amid-pending-medicaid-cuts This is good. Urgent Care locations are more of what rural areas need. They can't sustain hospitals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,264 Posted July 7 8 hours ago, Fnord said: What, in your estimation, is the REAL ISSUE? People eating healthier, getting exercise, and focusing on natural healing remedies. Addressing the root cause of issues instead of always trying to treat the symptoms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites