Elon says that Trump is in the Epstein files.

[Voltaire 5,316]

17 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

With Trump's history it wouldn't surprise me if he was ever there or involved in some way.  I also would not be surprised if Obama was.  Pretty much any person who has been extremely wealthy and in a position of power.

Trump traded in for a new ex-model wife on his arm every four years during the 80s. He didn't only fit the mold of the uber-rich NY businessman playboy during that era, he set the mold as the most prominent figure in that circle of people. That, combined with his stupid Birthergate nonsense about Obama, were why his running for president had seemed like little more than a big ego stroke at first to me. 

[Ron_Artest 1,519]

18 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

With Trump's history it wouldn't surprise me if he was ever there or involved in some way.  I also would not be surprised if Obama was.  Pretty much any person who has been extremely wealthy and in a position of power.

He was Epstein's best friend, he admitted that Epstein liked young girls.  He absolutely knew what was going on and definitely participated.  Now he's assuming his base is stupid and will believe anything he says contradicting all that.

[BrahmaBulls 763]

54 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

He was Epstein's best friend, he admitted that Epstein liked young girls.  He absolutely knew what was going on and definitely participated.  Now he's assuming his base is stupid and will believe anything he says contradicting all that.

Were you there?

[Ron_Artest 1,519]

So now Trump has moved from "It's fake, Obama made it up" to "It's boring, why would anyone care"

It's not happening

It's not widespread

It's not a big deal  < - Trump is here now

 

[seafoam1 3,022]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

So now Trump has moved from "It's fake, Obama made it up" to "It's boring, why would anyone care"

It's not happening

It's not widespread

It's not a big deal  < - Trump is here now

 

Gutterboy is such a mess. 

[RLLD 4,230]

IMHO, they are not releasing it because they think it might hurt them politically.

It could be true that Trump is in there, and so they are holding it back because they dont want the political fallout.....to give the Dems something to latch on to etc...I think that is the mostly likely scenario.

Another scenario could be that perhaps Trump is not in there, but important Republican allies are....and the release would tend to hurt Republicans more than Democrats......

One other possible scenario, an unlikely one, is that they are holding back to elicit a predictable response from Democrats....so when they do later release it....the Democrats lose the ability to declare it politically-driven attacks on them....since they are now demanding it....

Personally, I dont care who it hurts....release it....fock them all....

[TimHauck 2,870]

Charlie Kirk: vote Trump to release the list

also Charlie Kirk: I’m done talking about Epstein. I’m going to trust my friends in the government.

lol

[MDC 7,420]

I’m sure Father Trump had perfectly legit non-shady reasons for concealing the global child sex trafficking client list.

Never lose faith in Daddy.  

[MDC 7,420]

11 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Charlie Kirk: vote Trump to release the list

also Charlie Kirk: I’m done talking about Epstein. I’m going to trust my friends in the government.

lol

You could sub out Charlie Kirk’s name for a number of Geeks. After years of deluding themselves into believing the list was only Dems and lib donors, you’ll get a few tepid “We should see the list” comments and they’ll never mention it again. 

[RLLD 4,230]

While I think that list simply must have Trump in it, and at the very least key allies they cannot afford to have hurt..... I keep wondering if this is not all some game being played on Democrats.

In the past the Democrats were assiduously against the release, and we naturally thought at that time it must be a threat to them.....as we are now thinking about Trump et al.....

So while they were scrambling before to avoid the exposure, now they demand its release.  Could it be true that by having them demand its release, the admin is effectively removing their gaslighting that its all just political chicanery?  I mean, that would be really focking smart and funny of course....and I would love every second of that. 

[TimHauck 2,870]

Trump says “release what’s credible.”

 

Who decides what’s credible?

[MDC 7,420]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

While I think that list simply must have Trump in it, and at the very least key allies they cannot afford to have hurt..... I keep wondering if this is not all some game being played on Democrats.

In the past the Democrats were assiduously against the release, and we naturally thought at that time it must be a threat to them.....as we are now thinking about Trump et al.....

So while they were scrambling before to avoid the exposure, now they demand its release.  Could it be true that by having them demand its release, the admin is effectively removing their gaslighting that its all just political chicanery?  I mean, that would be really focking smart and funny of course....and I would love every second of that. 

Ah yes, Father Trump let his own admin and MAGA faithful spend years fulminating about adrenochrome and pizza dungeon conspiracies before kiboshing the list, cleverly turning the tables on … Democrats?  

Daddy works in mysterious ways!  

[RLLD 4,230]

16 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’m sure Father Trump had perfectly legit non-shady reasons for concealing the global child sex trafficking client list.

Never lose faith in Daddy.  

Would you agree that right now there is enough information to make the assertion that he is likely part of that content and therefore also likely engaged in unlawful action? 

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, MDC said:

Ah yes, Father Trump let his own admin and MAGA faithful spend years fulminating about adrenochrome and pizza dungeon conspiracies before kiboshing the list, cleverly turning the tables on … Democrats?  

Daddy works in mysterious ways!  

Ah yes, by all means ignore everything else I posted, focus only only the element you see serving your self perception in some way, thank you for being entirely predictable

[MDC 7,420]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Would you agree that right now there is enough information to make the assertion that he is likely part of that content and therefore also likely engaged in unlawful action? 

It’s possible. If he is, I think it’s much more likely that he was a client for Epstein’s adult age foreign whores, not kids. I totally buy Don as a sexual assailant but I just don’t get pedo vibes from him. Maybe that’s me trying to think the best of him. 

So I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump is in there somehow. Definitely some right-wing power brokers who he’s protecting. What I’m wondering is why he didn’t release a heavily “redacted” list of only lefties? But maybe they decided that would raise more questions.

Its dirty either way.

[MDC 7,420]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Ah yes, by all means ignore everything else I posted, focus only only the element you see serving your self perception in some way, thank you for being entirely predictable

You’re trying to spin this colossal blunder as some kind of 4D chess move but I’m the one serving my self perception.

Always defend Daddy!  

[RLLD 4,230]

18 minutes ago, MDC said:

It’s possible. If he is, I think it’s much more likely that he was a client for Epstein’s adult age foreign whores, not kids. I totally buy Don as a sexual assailant but I just don’t get pedo vibes from him. Maybe that’s me trying to think the best of him. 

So I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump is in there somehow. Definitely some right-wing power brokers who he’s protecting. What I’m wondering is why he didn’t release a heavily “redacted” list of only lefties? But maybe they decided that would raise more questions.

Its dirty either way.

Agree.  Its dirty and potentially criminal.

You and I have enough information and common sense to make this deduction, right?

[RLLD 4,230]

17 minutes ago, MDC said:

You’re trying to spin this colossal blunder as some kind of 4D chess move but I’m the one serving my self perception.

Always defend Daddy!  

This is a lie, I spun nothing, and asserted the opposite, people need to see you in this lie. 

[MDC 7,420]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

This is a lie, I spun nothing, and asserted the opposite, people need to see you in this lie. 

Your take is right there.  

[thegeneral 3,209]

48 minutes ago, RLLD said:

While I think that list simply must have Trump in it, and at the very least key allies they cannot afford to have hurt..... I keep wondering if this is not all some game being played on Democrats.

In the past the Democrats were assiduously against the release, and we naturally thought at that time it must be a threat to them.....as we are now thinking about Trump et al.....

So while they were scrambling before to avoid the exposure, now they demand its release.  Could it be true that by having them demand its release, the admin is effectively removing their gaslighting that its all just political chicanery?  I mean, that would be really focking smart and funny of course....and I would love every second of that. 

Who was against releasing any list or information?

[RLLD 4,230]

21 minutes ago, MDC said:

Your take is right there.  

So you lied....got caught....called out....and are trying to now ignore your lie?  I just want to ensure everyone reading this thread understands this, not everyone will always remember you jsut lie....over and over

[RLLD 4,230]

14 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Who was against releasing any list or information?

Having trouble reading again eh?  Later, I presume you will project that elsewhere....when cornered, again... but here is some good reading.  Not the source, are you going to pretend this source is now invalid in some way? Cant way to see the spin you have to put on this

[MDC 7,420]

8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

So you lied....got caught....called out....and are trying to now ignore your lie?  I just want to ensure everyone reading this thread understands this, not everyone will always remember you jsut lie....over and over

Oh, so you weren’t speculating that Trump might be pulling a rope a dope on Dems?

Okay bud.  

[thegeneral 3,209]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Having trouble reading again eh?  Later, I presume you will project that elsewhere....when cornered, again... but here is some good reading.  Not the source, are you going to pretend this source is now invalid in some way? Cant way to see the spin you have to put on this

Still not seeing someone saying they were against releasing any list or information.

[thegeneral 3,209]

This is gaslighting:

“Scams and Hoaxes are all the Democrats are good at – It’s all they have – They are no good at governing, no good at policy, and no good at picking winning candidates,” Trump said. He added, “Their new SCAM is what we will forever call the Jeffrey Epstein Hoax, and my PAST supporters have bought into this ‘bullshit,’ hook, line, and sinker. They haven’t learned their lesson, and probably never will, even after being conned by the Lunatic Left for 8 long years.”

[Fnord 2,264]

8 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Still not seeing someone saying they were against releasing any list or information.

That is because the link doesn't support his assertion. I am also curious about the names of the many Dems that said they never wanted it released.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,427]

Stephen King says the list is a work of fiction. 

[RLLD 4,230]

14 minutes ago, MDC said:

Oh, so you weren’t speculating that Trump might be pulling a rope a dope on Dems?

Okay bud.  

Oh, so you are still ignoring where I said it Trump is probably in the report, or at least important allies are and that is why it is not released....but instead focus on my theory of "what if" as if that was the thrust of my point.....which is lying by omission....you are standing by that lie, even to this point?  Seeking your confirmation that this is true, 

[RLLD 4,230]

16 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Still not seeing someone saying they were against releasing any list or information.

There it is!!  Pretending their opposition to it was not them being against its release,  I suspected you might try to wiggle out of it with the "that not what it says...or the "thats not what that means" ploy.....

[thegeneral 3,209]

Just now, RLLD said:

There it is!!  Pretending their opposition to it was not them being against its release,  I suspected you might try to wiggle out of it with the "that not what it says...or the "thats not what that means" ploy.....

There what is

You said that Dems “assiduously against the release” with a link that I skimmed and it wasn’t in there. Maybe you could read it again.

I wouldn’t be surprised with all the shet people talk that somewhere it was said by someone but it wasn’t in that article.

 

[avoiding injuries 1,580]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Stephen King says the list is a work of fiction. 

If Stephen King says it’s fiction then no way Trump is on it. :gurglegurglegurgleterryschiavostyle: He would be furiously masturbating if it damaged Trump. 
Sorry, RLLD. 

[thegeneral 3,209]

Look Trump created this by placing these dopes in charge who spent years cashing in on this stuff. It’s absurd.

They got their jobs not because of that, it was that they also were pimping that Jan 6th wasn’t Trump’s fault, deep state stole the election, Trump is a victim and actually won, the rest of that bullshet. This fallout is because of their podcasts, their words, their jabbering.

STFU about this is the Dems issue, this is their fault, etc. Just sit this one out and betch about the border.

[RLLD 4,230]

7 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

There what is

You said that Dems “assiduously against the release” with a link that I skimmed and it wasn’t in there. Maybe you could read it again.

I wouldn’t be surprised with all the shet people talk that somewhere it was said by someone but it wasn’t in that article.

 

Oh its just his game. If you read back over months of posting, this is what he does....jumps into a conversation just to be contrarian, pretends to want sources....you provide...then he fabricates some reason for the source to not be valid.....over and over.....its really the only thing he actually does here 

By opposing the release they effectively opposed its release......I hope that helps you .  Hell, even MSDNC called them out on it.....are you stepping outside the ideology? You sure thats safe>

[The Real timschochet 6,763]

I’ve thought the whole time that there was nothing to this story. Actually the logic of some of the conservatives made sense to me: if there was something that would hurt Trump, why wouldn’t have Biden released it? There’s no good answer to that. 
 

And yet- I don’t quite understand why Trump refuses to let his people testify to Congress about it or release what they DO have. I don’t understand why he is lashing out at his own MAGA people, calling them weak. His reaction here is puzzling to me…

[MDC 7,420]

22 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Oh, so you are still ignoring where I said it Trump is probably in the report, or at least important allies are and that is why it is not released....but instead focus on my theory of "what if" as if that was the thrust of my point.....which is lying by omission....you are standing by that lie, even to this point?  Seeking your confirmation that this is true, 

Yeah, I focused on the silly part. That’s hardly a “lie,” but you seem to have a very flexible relationship with the truth. 

[MDC 7,420]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’ve thought the whole time that there was nothing to this story. Actually the logic of some of the conservatives made sense to me: if there was something that would hurt Trump, why wouldn’t have Biden released it? There’s no good answer to that. 
 

And yet- I don’t quite understand why Trump refuses to let his people testify to Congress about it or release what they DO have. I don’t understand why he is lashing out at his own MAGA people, calling them weak. His reaction here is puzzling to me…

I was so sure the WH was going to release a highly redacted version that included only Dem / left politicians and donors. The only explanation I have is that might raise even more questions and be more suspicious.

What I really don’t get is why Trump let his own people make such a big deal of the list for months only to clown them at the last minute? My only answer is that he’s banking on the gullibility and blind loyalty of his base. 

[thegeneral 3,209]

12 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Oh its just his game. If you read back over months of posting, this is what he does....jumps into a conversation just to be contrarian, pretends to want sources....you provide...then he fabricates some reason for the source to not be valid.....over and over.....its really the only thing he actually does here 

By opposing the release they effectively opposed its release......I hope that helps you .  Hell, even MSDNC called them out on it.....are you stepping outside the ideology? You sure thats safe>

This whole post is just confusing.

Who are you talking to or about in the first paragraph?

What does this mean “by opposing the release they effectively opposed its release”. Who opposed the release was what I was asking you, you said that in your original post I responded to. The articles you linked to don’t have that in them.

They talked about politicians saying they don’t want the Prez retweeting that the Clinton’s killed Epstein and the like.

[seafoam1 3,022]

25 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Look Trump created this by placing these dopes in charge who spent years cashing in on this stuff. It’s absurd.

They got their jobs not because of that, it was that they also were pimping that Jan 6th wasn’t Trump’s fault, deep state stole the election, Trump is a victim and actually won, the rest of that bullshet. This fallout is because of their podcasts, their words, their jabbering.

STFU about this is the Dems issue, this is their fault, etc. Just sit this one out and betch about the border.

It's a Dems issue. Sorry peenut.  

[RLLD 4,230]

13 minutes ago, MDC said:

Yeah, I focused on the silly part. That’s hardly a “lie,” but you seem to have a very flexible relationship with the truth. 

I know you did....its the same tactic media does....omit content where possible to drive a narrative....its wrong when they do it  as well. What you did is a lie by omission

[thegeneral 3,209]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

It's a Dems issue. Sorry peenut.  

Here’s the number one Trump golden kneepad wearing, Kool-Aide drinker himself! Welcome Peefoam to the chat!