L.A. ICE raids/protests - Nezza sings the national anthem in Spanish at Dodger Stadium

[Maximum Overkill 1,886]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

My understanding is they are guarding federal buildings with no rioters or protestors in sight

Are you crazy!!! There were hundreds of live streams where rioters were throwing rocks and garbage at them. You're lying 

 

[Meglamaniac 436]

7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think you are purposely ignoring the reality of this situation, having spoke to you in the past I an fairly certain you are not this obtuse.  You DO understand how these resources are being used, right? I mean, I am finding it unlikely you do not understand.....

Why bother?  He's just going to call you a liar

[RLLD 4,187]

3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

My understanding is they are guarding federal buildings with no rioters or protestors in sight.  Hence my statement of fact that they have not contributed anything to the peace of LA.

Since you can't provide any other evidence I'll just assume you agree with me and you'll accept being a liar.

So....then.....if they are guarding those buildings....instead of law enforcement.....what do you suppose that might mean for law enforcement in terms of dealing with the rioters?

[RLLD 4,187]

1 minute ago, Meglamaniac said:

Why bother?  He's just going to call you a liar

I tend to believe, perhaps naively, that anyone can be salvaged.  And if we present them with enough actual logic....and those farcical notions they have been fed can eventually erode away.  I see people who escape cults saved and if we can accept that liberalism has itself become a cult, then we have an obligation to help those people.

Keep in mind, some may want to escape it....but are afraid of being "Fetterman'ed' , or "mayors Adams'ed" ...or "Tulsi Gabbard'ed".....fear of the cult and its retributions cannot be ignored.

[jerryskids 6,694]

6 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

My understanding is they are guarding federal buildings with no rioters or protestors in sight.  Hence my statement of fact that they have not contributed anything to the peace of LA.

Since you can't provide any other evidence I'll just assume you agree with me and you'll accept being a liar.

This guy. 

Last few days:  Trump is an authoritarian taking over Cali and instigating riots$#@!

Today:  Trump didn't do nuthin$#@!

 

[The Real timschochet 6,575]

13 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Mostly a few cars on fire? 

I am guessing you didn't see the videos of horseback officers having their animals tormented, people throwing water bottles and bricks at officers and cars driving by, fireworks starting grass fires in some locations....I mean, it was SO MUCH more than the self driving cars being set on fire. 

If the action was mostly finished, why did it carry on the following nights to where Bass had to install a curfew? 

I see that although you are back posting, you're still full of shiiite. 

Hey New Girl hope you are well. 
We’re talking over each other and I don’t want to do that. I will note only that every conservative I read, here and elsewhere, seems to think these incidents were a lot worse than they were presented and that Trump’s action of calling in the National Guard was well justified. And every liberal I read, here and elsewhere, think that these incidents were a lot more minor than they were presented. And that happens to be my own view. 

Now to be fair I was not in downtown LA last weekend so like you I can only depend on what I watched on TV. Though I suspect we watched different networks. But I WAS in the middle of the Rodney King riot (I was in downtown when that actually happened) and I was in Long Beqch during the Floyd protests and subsequent riots. And this latest event does not compare to those. 

[zsasz 366]

So when Newsome wins in 28, will he pardon these Freedom Fighters? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,197]

31 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

You're dumb 

He’s one of the morons that think locking the school doors doesn’t do anything as far as safety. No real life experience. He’s been virtual for decades now. 

[TimHauck 2,709]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Hope you are well RLLD. But of course I take issue with your narrative of events. There was never any widespread rioting; 99% of it took place over two square blocks in downtown. It was nothing like Rodney King, or even George Floyd. There was not even as much violence as occurs after the Lakers win a championship. 

There WERE some violent acts (mostly a few cars set on fire) but these were quickly handled by the police. The national guard were completely unnecessary and by the time they actually arrived almost all of action was already finished. 

Former coworker of mine said the same exact line about Lakers championships.  Granted that was before the National Guard and Marines showed up.

[Meglamaniac 436]

9 minutes ago, zsasz said:

So when Newsome wins in 28, will he pardon these Freedom Fighters? 

LOL

[CaptainObvious1 368]

2 hours ago, squistion said:

No the protesters are not rioting. That is a criminal element unconnected with the thousands who are participating in the protests. 

Liar

[MDC 7,253]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Former coworker of mine said the same exact line about Lakers championships.  Granted that was before the National Guard and Marines showed up.

I remember the GC talking about how Philly was being destroyed after the SB. I went to work the next day and didn’t see so much as a broken window.

Some “men” are easily panicked.

[jbycho 753]

16 minutes ago, zsasz said:

So when Newsome wins in 28, will he pardon these Freedom Fighters? 

Another guy who doesn't know how to spell the name of the guy who he has committed to casting his vote for as president 3+ years from now. 

[Engorgeous George 2,258]

2 hours ago, Fnord said:

Funny how opinions on this incident come down to party lines.

Here's what I've gathered from reading reports and watching News Nation (shout out to everyone that recommended this network, it's awesome!):

The senator was in the building for another briefing, heard Noem was doing a press conference, and decided to go to it. Why he was not wearing his official Congressional pin identifying him as a US Senator is anyone's guess, but the building was secure, so it's not like he could have been some rando off the street. He watched Noem for a bit, then she said something that pissed him off. TBF, he was probably already pissed, being a Latino Senator from CA. He shouted about something, security approached him and began pushing him out; he identified himself but security ultimately got him on the ground and cuffed him. After verifying his identity, he was let go.

Padilla acted out of line. He should have been wearing his ID. He should not have attempted to disrupt the press conference. Security did their jobs. He let his emotions seemingly get the better of him. He is mostly at fault.

That said, Kristi Noem knows exactly who he is. She easily could have called off security, but chose not to, likely because she didn't want to answer his questions. Noem comes off looking poorly, IMO, but we don't really expect much from her other than to wear a hat and look good in front of the camera for her many staged photo ops. For her to say anything about how Padilla comported himself is absurd, given how she's a complete publicity hoor. The LA mayor called her out yesterday, saying that she served with Noem in Congress and no longer recognized her.

Now the holier-than-thou BS turns into an avalanche. Mike Johnson calling for Padilla to be censured. That's focking laughable. Dems using this as a cudgel to claim how authoritarian the admin is, is also laughable. It was bad optics, for sure, but on the Trump scale, this barely registers. Padilla's actions were far less intense than your typical Gym Jordan congressional hearing rant, so Reps claiming he was somehow a potential threat is stupid. 

Overall, this whole incident was given more attention than it likely deserved. With Israel-Iran heating up, we'll be done talking about this by the weekend.

Once again we find ourselves in agreement.

[Ron_Artest 1,293]

36 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

This guy. 

Last few days:  Trump is an authoritarian taking over Cali and instigating riots$#@!

Today:  Trump didn't do nuthin$#@!

 

Both are true.  Here I'll dumb it down for you.  Trump sending the military to LA is an authoritarian move and it's not necessary.  They weren't needed and they accomplished nothing.  If anything they made matters worse because the public doesn't like having the military on the street.

Hopefully this makes sense to you.

[The Real timschochet 6,575]

17 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Former coworker of mine said the same exact line about Lakers championships.  Granted that was before the National Guard and Marines showed up.

Imagine if the Clippers ever win anything, then we’d all better hide. 

[zsasz 366]

10 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Another guy who doesn't know how to spell the name of the guy who he has committed to casting his vote for as president 3+ years from now. 

Let me get this straight....I don't know how to spell the name of the guy?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,197]

Trump should have been sending in troops in 2020. He has learned his lesson.  2.0 ain’t having it. 

[Ron_Artest 1,293]

42 minutes ago, RLLD said:

So....then.....if they are guarding those buildings....instead of law enforcement.....what do you suppose that might mean for law enforcement in terms of dealing with the rioters?

You're assuming 2 things.  1) The buildings need to be guarded and 2) LAPD doesn't enough personnel to do both.

The LAPD Chief says that the NG or marines were not needed because he can handle it.  I believe him.  You choose to believe Trump.

[zsasz 366]

14 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Another guy who doesn't know how to spell the name of the guy who he has committed to casting his vote for as president. 

 

13 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Another guy who doesn't know how to spell the name of the guy who he has committed to casting his vote for as president. 

 

15 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Another guy who doesn't know how to spell the name of the guy who he has committed to casting his vote for as president. 

 

Let me get this straight...I don't know how to spell the name of the guy..

[jbycho 753]

Just now, zsasz said:

 

 

 

Let me get this straight...I don't know how to spell the name of the guy..

I don't why you keep copying that but, no, you don't. 

[Meglamaniac 436]

6 minutes ago, zsasz said:

 

 

 

Let me get this straight...I don't know how to spell the name of the guy..

You obviously don't know how to use the quote function

[RLLD 4,187]

8 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

You're assuming 2 things.  1) The buildings need to be guarded and 2) LAPD doesn't enough personnel to do both.

The LAPD Chief says that the NG or marines were not needed because he can handle it.  I believe him.  You choose to believe Trump.

I am observing how much better this has been handled than the prior riots, and drawing a conclusion, absolutely...that is how adults work.

Moreover, it worked pretty well when Waltz put the NG on the streets during COVID, so we have examples of this being effective....to include, and perhaps especially, right now.

"

California Democrats who have insisted they have the situation in hand — Los Angeles Police Chief Jim McDonnell admitted that his officers were “overwhelmed” by the scale of the riots, which have continued for four consecutive days in Los Angeles.

“We are overwhelmed,” McDonnell said at a Sunday evening press conference. “Tonight, we had individuals out there shooting commercial-grade fireworks at our officers. That can kill you.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/trump-deploys-national-guard-to-los-angeles-as-immigration-riots-rage/

[jbycho 753]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I am observing how much better this has been handled than the prior riots, and drawing a conclusion, absolutely...that is how adults work.

Moreover, it worked pretty well when Waltz put the NG on the streets during COVID, so we have examples of this being effective....to include, and perhaps especially, right now.

"

California Democrats who have insisted they have the situation in hand — Los Angeles Police Chief Jim McDonnell admitted that his officers were “overwhelmed” by the scale of the riots, which have continued for four consecutive days in Los Angeles.

“We are overwhelmed,” McDonnell said at a Sunday evening press conference. “Tonight, we had individuals out there shooting commercial-grade fireworks at our officers. That can kill you.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/trump-deploys-national-guard-to-los-angeles-as-immigration-riots-rage/

I posted this the other day. Liberals will ignore it. 

[jbycho 753]

Go Trump!! 

[Ron_Artest 1,293]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I am observing how much better this has been handled than the prior riots, and drawing a conclusion, absolutely...that is how adults work.

Moreover, it worked pretty well when Waltz put the NG on the streets during COVID, so we have examples of this being effective....to include, and perhaps especially, right now.

"

California Democrats who have insisted they have the situation in hand — Los Angeles Police Chief Jim McDonnell admitted that his officers were “overwhelmed” by the scale of the riots, which have continued for four consecutive days in Los Angeles.

“We are overwhelmed,” McDonnell said at a Sunday evening press conference. “Tonight, we had individuals out there shooting commercial-grade fireworks at our officers. That can kill you.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/trump-deploys-national-guard-to-los-angeles-as-immigration-riots-rage/

LAPD didn't want the military

https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/trump-california-national-guard-police-chief-rcna212582

 

[RLLD 4,187]

Just now, jbycho said:

I posted this the other day. Liberals will ignore it. 

To be fair, information coming out of LA has been rather conflicted.  I expect the politicians to frame it to suit their desire for power.....but when it comes to the local police themselves, I expect them to be less inclined to that. 

I am certain that both Democrats and Republicans are lying about anything to do with stuff happening, they are politicians...they lie....sadly, media now lies with them....so I would hope the locals in law enforcement on the ground do give us the best info.

[RLLD 4,187]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

LAPD didn't want the military

https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/trump-california-national-guard-police-chief-rcna212582

 

But were later grateful they had them.

[Meglamaniac 436]

Looks like the bricks are in place in Chicago for this weekends 'mostly peaceful protests'

[jbycho 753]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

To be fair, information coming out of LA has been rather conflicted.  I expect the politicians to frame it to suit their desire for power.....but when it comes to the local police themselves, I expect them to be less inclined to that. 

I am certain that both Democrats and Republicans are lying about anything to do with stuff happening, they are politicians...they lie....sadly, media now lies with them....so I would hope the locals in law enforcement on the ground do give us the best info.

There were videos of stores being looted, cars set ablaze, and people shooting fireworks at local police. I'll take that statement as truth in this situation. 

[jbycho 753]

1 minute ago, Meglamaniac said:

Looks like the bricks are in place in Chicago for this weekends 'mostly peaceful protests'

Oh hell yeah. It's spreading. 

[RLLD 4,187]

2 minutes ago, jbycho said:

There were videos of stores being looted, cars set ablaze, and people shooting fireworks at local police. I'll take that statement as truth in this situation. 

Agree.  And we have seen this before, it started the same way in other cities years ago, and ramped up into a real mess.  So far, the actions of the federal government appear to be impding a repeat of liberal violence.

[jerryskids 6,694]

26 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Both are true.  Here I'll dumb it down for you.  Trump sending the military to LA is an authoritarian move and it's not necessary.  They weren't needed and they accomplished nothing.  If anything they made matters worse because the public doesn't like having the military on the street.

Hopefully this makes sense to you.

Authoritarian?  It was to protect federal assets and people, not take over the city like you sky screamers were saying.

Also, their presence helped deter larger escalation.  I present as evidence:  every other riot in LA in our lifetime.

You don't understand peace through strength.  You are one of those scared liberals who is afraid Iran might do something mean, so we should let them develop nuclear capabilities so they don't get mad.

[jbycho 753]

7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Agree.  And we have seen this before, it started the same way in other cities years ago, and ramped up into a real mess.  So far, the actions of the federal government appear to be impding a repeat of liberal violence.

Right. If you remember back in 2020, Trump offered NG assistance to handling of the violence in cities  but he gave in to the governors/mayors of the violent cities who refused it and didn't send them in. And look what happened. $200B in insurance claims alone. Not to mention destroyed lives. 

This time he said fock it. And he has every right to do it. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,197]

20 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I am observing how much better this has been handled than the prior riots, and drawing a conclusion, absolutely...that is how adults work.

Moreover, it worked pretty well when Waltz put the NG on the streets during COVID, so we have examples of this being effective....to include, and perhaps especially, right now.

"

California Democrats who have insisted they have the situation in hand — Los Angeles Police Chief Jim McDonnell admitted that his officers were “overwhelmed” by the scale of the riots, which have continued for four consecutive days in Los Angeles.

“We are overwhelmed,” McDonnell said at a Sunday evening press conference. “Tonight, we had individuals out there shooting commercial-grade fireworks at our officers. That can kill you.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/trump-deploys-national-guard-to-los-angeles-as-immigration-riots-rage/

Down goes Gutterboy. Stay down chump.  

[Ron_Artest 1,293]

10 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Authoritarian?  It was to protect federal assets and people, not take over the city like you sky screamers were saying.

Also, their presence helped deter larger escalation.  I present as evidence:  every other riot in LA in our lifetime.

You don't understand peace through strength.  You are one of those scared liberals who is afraid Iran might do something mean, so we should let them develop nuclear capabilities so they don't get mad.

You're too dumb to realize that this whole "Peace through Strength" line is BS repeated by a weak coward pretending to be strong and brave.

[Strike 5,369]

11 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Authoritarian?  It was to protect federal assets and people, not take over the city like you sky screamers were saying.

Also, their presence helped deter larger escalation.  I present as evidence:  every other riot in LA in our lifetime.

You don't understand peace through strength.  You are one of those scared liberals who is afraid Iran might do something mean, so we should let them develop nuclear capabilities so they don't get mad.

He thinks the proper response is to not do anything until at least half the city is burning, and then do even less.

[jbycho 753]

Just now, Strike said:

He thinks the proper response is to not do anything until at least half the city is burning, and then do even less.

"Mostly peaceful" though. 

[Meglamaniac 436]

Looks like the TX Gov is having none of it, 5000 troops on hand for weekend protests

[nobody 2,641]

3 hours ago, squistion said:

No the protesters are not rioting. That is a criminal element unconnected with the thousands who are participating in the protests. 

Again.  Your point that you are so desperate to make is a minor detail.  Protest leads to riots.  On the left, they go hand in hand.  Just because not every person that protests also riots does not equate to protests are not being used to riot.  

That's the problem we have to solve.  How to stop the riots.  You claim you want to do that, right?  Well, if the rioters are using the dumb lefty protests as cover, shouldn't we also start looking at why that is and what we can do to mitigate it?

I mean you keep claiming you are against the violence.  Or are you only against the violence as long as the protestors get to do whatever they want? I.e., their right to protest for days and days and days and act as cover for riots and looting is more important than the businesses they destroy?