L.A. and nationwide ICE raids/protests

[jbycho 754]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I’ll say this.  The Trump admin is much better at marketing than the Biden admin.  Like that time they got @EternalShinyAndChrome to think Biden never had any big drug busts that were comparable to Trump’s 

 

[nobody 2,657]

3 hours ago, Tebok said:

How Hitler used a phony crisis to seize power from states:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/06/hitler-public-order/683098/

Trump was all about "states' rights" during the campaign, but here he is trampling them in a blue state.

Trump has federalized the California National Guard.

Trump has sent in U.S. Marines.

The rioting so far hasn't come close to warranting these steps. 

Wake up, people!

 

Rusty, who lives in Texas has decided the rioting and looting hasn't reached an appropriate level for NG intervention.

Like a typical flunky, he never learns from his mistakes and doesn't understand it's better to anticipate than react.  He would rather rioters and looters destroy businesses - like they always do - to a threshold that he deems worthy from 2000 miles away.

Hopefully this dude is never in charge of anything.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,317]

Just now, nobody said:

Rusty, who lives in Texas has decided the rioting and looting hasn't reached an appropriate level for NG intervention.

Like a typical flunky, he never learns from his mistakes and doesn't understand it's better to anticipate than react.  He would rather rioters and looters destroy businesses - like they always do - to a threshold that he deems worthy from 2000 miles away.

Hopefully this dude is never in charge of anything.

Great post.  Flunky is right.  

[Strike 5,475]

https://twitter.com/DHSgov/status/1932820723606958122

 

[nobody 2,657]

7 hours ago, Tebok said:

OK, so can we agree that @Strike and others here are wrong when they say "the left wants violence?"

This has been said repeatedly here. 

Also, I've repeatedly posted about opportunists who don't give a rat's ass about politics and simply want to take advantage of a volatile situation and get a chance to burn, vandalize, loot and assault. The protests are mostly peaceful, but the MAGAs mock that and use what the opportunists are doing to label everything to the left of themselves as violence-loving. I even quoted a police leader regarding this.

It's the stupid fukking MAGA misinformation, intolerance and disrespecting others' political beliefs that's a huge problem in this country. They would LOVE a one-party system, and that's supporting authoritarianism with a lunatic dictator wanna be at the helm.

I'll watch Fox News and see nonstop anti-Democrat vitriol and misinformation. I don't see that on CNN or MSNBC about Republicans. I see the nightly personalities heavily focused on Trump and the mayhem he is causing. I see them quote Nancy Pelosi as saying the country needs a strong Republican Party. She didn't say strongarm, which is what we have from the bully pulpit.

Sick of this shiit.

You guys always choose the wrong hills to die on.  The righties come in rightfully annoyed by the rioters and you guys come in constantly spending 10 words condemning violence and 500 words justifying it. 

If looters and rioters are constantly using wokie protests to do loot and riot, it should be addressed as necessary.  

This is obviously a great use of the NG.  If a newsome deployed them, you wouldn't have an issue with it at all.  And nowhere in their orders does it say, "don't let people protest"

[Strike 5,475]

This about sums it up:

https://x.com/townhallcom/status/1932452276527943869

[Ron_Artest 1,381]

13 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I’ll say this.  The Trump admin is much better at marketing than the Biden admin.  Like that time they got @EternalShinyAndChrome to think Biden never had any big drug busts that were comparable to Trump’s 

He's a reality TV legend and he's filled his admin with a bunch of salesmen, con artists and producers.  It's all a big show.  It's funny to watch the low IQ people fall for it.

[nobody 2,657]

I played a lot of basketball.  Inevitably, one of my teammates would do something wrong and get a whistle, and start arguing.  To show support for my teammate, you know what I do?  I would just shut the f up.  I knew the guy did what the ref called, so I neither defended it nor did I go try to side with the ref against my teammate.  

I can't understand why these wokies here can't get that concept.  I get you don't want to go against your team, but why the f do you think you have to die on the hill defending some obviously dumb BS? 

As usual the protest started over something stupid.  As usual the protest turned into riots.  As usual the local government responded poorly.  

Wokies just love adamantly being on the wrong side of issues.  Do you guys realize your woke doctrine is basically forbidding you from using common sense? 

Get a grip.

[Tebok 442]

Oh, so now Trump says he sent troops to "liberate" Los Angeles. He sounds like Putin.

Residents say he has just stirred up protesters.

Just adding more credibility to my theory. 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-wants-liberate-los-angeles-residents-say-no-thanks-2025-06-11/

[Tebok 442]

1 minute ago, nobody said:

I played a lot of basketball.  Inevitably, one of my teammates would do something wrong and get a whistle, and start arguing.  To show support for my teammate, you know what I do?  I would just shut the f up.  I knew the guy did what the ref called, so I neither defended it nor did I go try to side with the ref against my teammate.  

I can't understand why these wokies here can't get that concept.  I get you don't want to go against your team, but why the f do you think you have to die on the hill defending some obviously dumb BS? 

As usual the protest started over something stupid.  As usual the protest turned into riots.  As usual the local government responded poorly.  

Wokies just love adamantly being on the wrong side of issues.  Do you guys realize your woke doctrine is basically forbidding you from using common sense? 

Get a grip.

Were you AAA rated?

[Maximum Overkill 1,952]

Just now, Tebok said:

Oh, so now Trump says he sent troops to "liberate" Los Angeles

He saved Los Angeles just in time. The Mexicans were getting more and more violent with every hour 

[jerryskids 6,748]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

This about sums it up:

https://x.com/townhallcom/status/1932452276527943869

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”  George Orwell, 1984

[Cdub100 3,894]

1 hour ago, jbycho said:

Yep. Deport the illegals. 

I voted for this. I actually voted for far more and am disappointed by how little progress is being made 

[Ron_Artest 1,381]

1 minute ago, nobody said:

I played a lot of basketball.  Inevitably, one of my teammates would do something wrong and get a whistle, and start arguing.  To show support for my teammate, you know what I do?  I would just shut the f up.  I knew the guy did what the ref called, so I neither defended it nor did I go try to side with the ref against my teammate.  

I can't understand why these wokies here can't get that concept.  I get you don't want to go against your team, but why the f do you think you have to die on the hill defending some obviously dumb BS? 

As usual the protest started over something stupid.  As usual the protest turned into riots.  As usual the local government responded poorly.  

Wokies just love adamantly being on the wrong side of issues.  Do you guys realize your woke doctrine is basically forbidding you from using common sense? 

Get a grip.

The non magas here have been pretty consistent.  Violence is wrong, rioting is wrong, looting is wrong.  If you're rioting or looting you need to be arrested and held accountable.

How is that a dumb hill to die on?  I'm sure you would agree.

Where we disagree is on 2 things, IMO.

1) ICE and their mission.  Magas want ICE to do whatever they want and take whoever they want with no respect for due process or laws.  Non-magas want ICE to focus on the illegals with the rap sheets, the "bad hombres".

2) Trump's response.  Magas support the military on civilian streets.  Non Magas want the law followed.  Gov gets to decide if national guard is needed.  Non Magas think Trump's show of military force is a problem, Maga's like authoritarianism.

We're not that far apart.

[supermike80 1,893]

12 minutes ago, Tebok said:

Oh, so now Trump says he sent troops to "liberate" Los Angeles. He sounds like Putin.

Residents say he has just stirred up protesters.

Just adding more credibility to my theory. 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-wants-liberate-los-angeles-residents-say-no-thanks-2025-06-11/

Ugh...Once again, blaming Trump for the violence.  Nope.   The violence is on those that commit it.   You can't keep repeating the same line of crap over and over and expect people to buy into it.  I am not going to listen to any argument justifying violence because Trump is "inflaming" the situation by bringing in support.  Nope.

If you're going to use this idiotic logic, then you have to also say Jan 6th was justified because  they were goaded by Trump after all.  At that point they had no personal responsibility.   It's all on Trump

 

[Strike 5,475]

28 minutes ago, Strike said:

Link to me saying that?  And I'm not saying I didn't.  I just want to see if I did and the context if in fact I did.  But I bet you don't even provide a link.

Bump for @Tebok/Rusty. 

[Ron_Artest 1,381]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”  George Orwell, 1984

So ironic from a Trumper.

[jbycho 754]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

So ironic from a Trumper.

Gutterboy doesn't seem to know what "ironic" means... 

[Strike 5,475]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

The non magas here have been pretty consistent.  Violence is wrong, rioting is wrong, looting is wrong.  If you're rioting or looting you need to be arrested and held accountable.

How is that a dumb hill to die on?  I'm sure you would agree.

Where we disagree is on 2 things, IMO.

1) ICE and their mission.  Magas want ICE to do whatever they want and take whoever they want with no respect for due process or laws.  Non-magas want ICE to focus on the illegals with the rap sheets, the "bad hombres".

2) Trump's response.  Magas support the military on civilian streets.  Non Magas want the law followed.  Gov gets to decide if national guard is needed.  Non Magas think Trump's show of military force is a problem, Maga's like authoritarianism.

We're not that far apart.

This is a load of crap.  Go to the very first page of THIS VERY THREAD.  Not ONE lib is condemning the violence/rioting/looting.  It's all mocking Trump and talking about how it's illegal for him to send the NG in, etc......You guys always rewrite history AFTER it gets bad and say "Oh we aren't for violence."  And we all know that's bullsh*t.

[Mike Honcho 5,252]

59 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

Sounds like blaming the Jews to me.

Also, the Jews didn’t “declare war on Germany,” that is made up propaganda.  I’ll eagerly await our resident historian @Horseman to come in here and correct @Cdub100

I read that they did---it was in the same history book that goes into detail about the War of Northern Aggression. 

[Strike 5,475]

4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

The non magas here have been pretty consistent.  Violence is wrong, rioting is wrong, looting is wrong.  If you're rioting or looting you need to be arrested and held accountable.

How is that a dumb hill to die on?  I'm sure you would agree.

Where we disagree is on 2 things, IMO.

1) ICE and their mission.  Magas want ICE to do whatever they want and take whoever they want with no respect for due process or laws.  Non-magas want ICE to focus on the illegals with the rap sheets, the "bad hombres".

2) Trump's response.  Magas support the military on civilian streets.  Non Magas want the law followed.  Gov gets to decide if national guard is needed.  Non Magas think Trump's show of military force is a problem, Maga's like authoritarianism.

We're not that far apart.

This is YOU on page one:

Quote

 

This is Trump's wet dream.  He's still pissed that he didn't have the national guard shoot protestors during his first term.

Dictators love to use military to silence dissent

 

Nothing about being opposed to violence; Just going after Trump.  You're so transparent and just full of sh*t.

[Ron_Artest 1,381]

1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

Ugh...Once again, blaming Trump for the violence.  Nope.   The violence is on those that commit it.   You can't keep repeating the same line of crap over and over and expect people to buy into it.  I am not going to listen to any argument justifying violence because Trump is "inflaming" the situation by bringing in support.  Nope.

 

I heard someone make a great point recently.  Trump is a master at "dumbing things down'.  He doesn't understand nuance or complex issues and neither do his followers.  Case in point here in this post.

This guy and magas as a whole don't have the intellect to understand nuance.  So yes, violence is on those that commit it, but here's the nuance, when you instigate violence, then you're to blame as well.  To dumb it down for the maga, it's like the bully who verbally abuses the kid all the time when the kid finally snaps and punches the bully in the face.  Sure the kid shouldn't have hit him (some will argue he should) but he was instigated.

That's why it's so hard to have these conversations with these people, no ability to understand nuance, no empathy, no critical thinking.  They're just robots repeating what FoxNews tells them.

[jbycho 754]

4 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

I voted for this. I actually voted for far more and am disappointed by how little progress is being made 

As long as Trump keeps trying. It's all I could ask. We knew liberals were going to employ violence. Hell, they tried killing Trump twice already. They will burn down their own communities to Get Trump. 

[supermike80 1,893]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

This is a load of crap.  Go to the very first page of THIS VERY THREAD.  Not ONE lib is condemning the violence/rioting/looting.  It's all mocking Trump and talking about how it's illegal for him to send the NG in, etc......You guys always rewrite history AFTER it gets bad and say "Oh we aren't for violence."  And we all know that's bullsh*t.

Tim is posting links that say exactly that.   That it's trump's fault because he brought in the military.   Not the fault of the people committing violence.   Really hard to then say he doesn't support the violence when he is the one using links to defend it.

[supermike80 1,893]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

This is YOU on page one:

Nothing about being opposed to violence; Just going after Trump.  You're so transparent and just full of sh*t.

He talks about nuance.  LOL   

[jbycho 754]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

This is a load of crap.  Go to the very first page of THIS VERY THREAD.  Not ONE lib is condemning the violence/rioting/looting.  It's all mocking Trump and talking about how it's illegal for him to send the NG in, etc......You guys always rewrite history AFTER it gets bad and say "Oh we aren't for violence."  And we all know that's bullsh*t.

Not to mention these libtards vote in the aoc's of the world who mocks the riots saying it's just a bunch of teens doing nothing..

Somehow, the word spreads over a matter of hours and riots are funded and happening in cities across the US..

[Ron_Artest 1,381]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

This is a load of crap.  Go to the very first page of THIS VERY THREAD.  Not ONE lib is condemning the violence/rioting/looting.  It's all mocking Trump and talking about how it's illegal for him to send the NG in, etc......You guys always rewrite history AFTER it gets bad and say "Oh we aren't for violence."  And we all know that's bullsh*t.

Just to prove you wrong...

On 6/7/2025 at 10:46 PM, squistion said:

 

Violence must stop, and we need to keep the focus on protecting fundamental rights.

 

 

On 6/8/2025 at 8:51 AM, Ron_Artest said:

Oh and just so we're clear his national guard order was of course illegal, just like everything die fuhrer does.

Violence is not the answer but neither is this.

 

Regardless, no one defends the violence, you're making it up.

[Ron_Artest 1,381]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

This is YOU on page one:

Nothing about being opposed to violence; Just going after Trump.  You're so transparent and just full of sh*t.

I did say I opposed the violence but even if I didn't, if I don't say it that means I support it?  Your debate skills are sh1t.

[Tebok 442]

15 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

I voted for this. I actually voted for far more and am disappointed by how little progress is being made 

Is that what your gynecologist told you?

[Strike 5,475]

On 6/8/2025 at 6:51 AM, Ron_Artest said:

Oh and just so we're clear his national guard order was of course illegal, just like everything die fuhrer does.

Violence is not the answer but neither is this.

See, you say crap like this, but you don't provide THE ANSWER.  What is YOUR answer to when the Feds are serving valid warrants and making valid arrests and protestors prevent that in numbers that only a strong law enforcement response is going to quell, and the locals/state law enforcement refuses to provide that support?  Come on banned alias #12, give us your wisdom if you truly don't believe in this violence.

[Ron_Artest 1,381]

Just now, Strike said:

See, you say crap like this, but you don't provide THE ANSWER.  What is YOUR answer to when the Feds are serving valid warrants and making valid arrests and protestors prevent that in numbers that only a strong law enforcement response is going to quell, and the locals/state law enforcement refuses to provide that support?  Come on banned alias #12, give us your wisdom if you truly don't believe in this violence.

The answer is clear, the local police provide the security and crowd control.  If the Gov requires extra support then they can request the national guard.

You lied again about "the locals/state law enforcement refuses to provide that support".  They did provide the support and the situation was calm before any military showed up.

[CaptainObvious1 368]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

Damn man. I thought you were better than this. With that mindset, you can end your mission to raise the vibrations of earth. You prove to be woefully unqualified for such an endeavor if you're willingly spewing these lies. Speaking of:

You first.

I didn't lie.  Clown

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,325]

1 hour ago, Tebok said:

You think an 11-year-old girl who got pregnant after being raped by her father should carrying the baby to term despite a likelihood that she'll die during delivery and the baby has no chance of living outside the womb due to all kinds of deformities and health issues.

Of course, I didn't expect an ignorant, illiterate bumpkin like you to actually read the post where I clearly stated my support of limited choice for abortion and that biologically born men had no business playing women's sports, but that kind of thing can't get past your thick skull and moronic, ill-informed paradigm.

Hope the big words don't cause any more damage to what's left of your brain.

No I don’t. I’m pro choice retard 

and right. You’re against all that. Next you’ll say you’re against illegal immigrants. Despite voting for the nonsense continually 

libtards need the ev and congressional seats. So you will continue to import as many illegals as you can and defend rapists and pedos cause orange man bad 

[squistion 2,160]

42 minutes ago, nobody said:

You guys always choose the wrong hills to die on.  The eighties come in rightfully annoyed by the rioters and you guys come in constantly spending 10 words condemning violence and 500 words justifying it. 

If looters and rioters are constantly using wokie protests to do loot and riot, it should be addressed as necessary.  

This is obviously a great use of the NG.  If a newsome deployed them, you wouldn't have an issue with it at all.  And nowhere in their orders does it say, "don't let people protest"

Who here is justifying it? 

[Ron_Artest 1,381]

Just now, squistion said:

Who here is justifying it? 

It's like they don't even read what anyone is posting.

[Strike 5,475]

6 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

The answer is clear, the local police provide the security and crowd control.  If the Gov requires extra support then they can request the national guard.

You lied again about "the locals/state law enforcement refuses to provide that support".  They did provide the support and the situation was calm before any military showed up.

No they weren't.  If the locals had provided support Trump wouldn't have had to bring in other law enforcement resources.  And in most of these sanctuary places the police are forbidden from assisting with immigration enforcement so they wait until ICE is being attacked before even providing any help/protection.

[Fnord 2,225]

3 minutes ago, squistion said:

Who here is justifying it? 

Turns out, ironically, nobody.

[Ron_Artest 1,381]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

No they weren't.  If the locals had provided support Trump wouldn't have had to bring in other law enforcement resources.  And in most of these sanctuary places the police are forbidden from assisting with immigration enforcement so they wait until ICE is being attacked before even providing any help/protection.

Yes. They. Were.  The local police handled the riots before the national guard ever arrived.  I think your problem is you believe Trump's lies.

[Fnord 2,225]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

No they weren't.  If the locals had provided support Trump wouldn't have had to bring in other law enforcement resources.  And in most of these sanctuary places the police are forbidden from assisting with immigration enforcement so they wait until ICE is being attacked before even providing any help/protection.

We can debate the NG deployment forever. Whether it was called for in this instance is a subject we will likely never get a real answer about.

The biggest issue I have is the involvement of Marines. That step is unprecedented, unnecessary, and an outright provocation. If you think this admin isn't picking a fight, what do you base that opinion on?

[jbycho 754]

1 minute ago, Fnord said:

We can debate the NG deployment forever. Whether it was called for in this instance is a subject we will likely never get a real answer about.

The biggest issue I have is the involvement of Marines. That step is unprecedented, unnecessary, and an outright provocation. If you think this admin isn't picking a fight, what do you base that opinion on?

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