Israel attacks Iran UPDATE: Trump claims a cease fire among all countries

[The Real timschochet 6,640]

1 minute ago, Cdub100 said:

 

I'll keep calling it out until enough people finally realize it.

That will never happen. Your kind of ugly bigotry will never disappear but it will also never take hold of this country. 

[jerryskids 6,731]

1 minute ago, Cdub100 said:

"What does the Israel lobby lobby for?"

Sitting US senator "nothing"

Not only do Jews lie straight to our faces but so do their bought and paid for politicians.

It's a disgusting. They have idiot Religious GOP members screaming "greatest ally" and "gotta support Israel"

Some religious leaders will say "Gods chosen people" even Christians will wrongly say it.

We are an occupied nation controlled by a very small minority of people.

I'll keep calling it out until enough people finally realize it.

So, your objection is that Israel successfully lobbies for its benefit.  Which is what... every industry, country, and special interest attempts to do.  Do you hate Michigan if it successfully gets relief for auto workers in a piece of federal legislation?

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Jews have been curb stomped for most of the past several thousand years.  In that experience they have developed a very tight knit community.  They tend to live close together, help each others families, get jobs for each other.  It's not so much hating you; that's a lot of hubris on your part.  It's about prioritizing themselves over others.  And prioritizing family, education, personal responsibility... the things successful cultures do.  The things we used to do.

[jerryskids 6,731]

21 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

https://archive.is/DAyUq

Oof, that didn't quite work either.  Let me try again.

See if this works, there was a "share" button:  https://www.thefp.com/p/rod-dreher-the-woke-right-is-coming?r=vlmot&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false

[Sandy Loam 47]

5 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Pedocrats are stupid @Sandy Loam

2 weeks gives us time to deploy another aircraft carrier, personel and munitions to the region. It also gives Iran ample time to surrender or strike a deal. 

Its the absolute correct move by Trump. 

Hasn't it been more than two weeks since his last two-week deadline with Russia? Also, he has had months to end the Ukraine war he said he would end prior to his inauguration before backpedaling and saying he would end it on Day 1, which was five months ago.

At what point does a MAGA realize Trump is full of crap?

[Cdub100 3,889]

9 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

So, your objection is that Israel successfully lobbies for its benefit.  Which is what... every industry, country, and special interest attempts to do.  Do you hate Michigan if it successfully gets relief for auto workers in a piece of federal legislation?

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Jews have been curb stomped for most of the past several thousand years.  In that experience they have developed a very tight knit community.  They tend to live close together, help each others families, get jobs for each other.  It's not so much hating you; that's a lot of hubris on your part.  It's about prioritizing themselves over others.  And prioritizing family, education, personal responsibility... the things successful cultures do.  The things we used to do.

My objection is Israel is the ONLY state that gets to lobby our politians as if they are not a foreign entity.

I object to Jews being over represented in all aspects of our lives from, government, media, education, etc...

I object that during the NYC race for mayor a candidate was grilled because he said he would stay in NYC and not go pay fealty to Israel. That every presidents first trip is to go put on a tiny hat and stand next to a wall.

I object Jews can commit crimes here and then race off to Israel for protection.

And I object to Israel trying to drag us into another stupid war nobody wants any part of. Other than warhawk GOP, defense contractors and jews

[Sandy Loam 47]

5 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Foxnews reporting that Trump hasn't ruled out nuking Iran.  2 weeks to decide.

And two weeks from now he'll just kick the indecision can down the road by slapping a two-week waiting period on something else while continuing to get nothing done other than generating more world chaos.

 

[Sandy Loam 47]

3 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

My objection is Israel is the ONLY state that gets to lobby our politians as if they are not a foreign entity.

I object to Jews being over represented in all aspects of our lives from, government, media, education, etc...

I object that during the NYC race for mayor a candidate was grilled because he said he would stay in NYC and not go pay fealty to Israel. That every presidents first trip is to go put on a tiny hat and stand next to a wall.

I object Jews can commit crimes here and then race off to Israel for protection.

And I object to Israel trying to drag us into another stupid war nobody wants any part of. Other than warhawk GOP, defense contractors and jews

In other words, you hate Jews.

[Fnord 2,194]

6 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Oof, that didn't quite work either.  Let me try again.

I had the same issue but ended up getting in. Thank you, that was an excellent read. It inspired me to re-evaluate some of my positions. There is absolutely an "undercurrent" in this country that is alarming, to put it mildly.

Fixing it starts with evaluating our own beliefs and behavior, and attuning ourselves to the hate on my side. Then calling it out when you see it manifest within "allies." Geeks quibble over not calling out those that are acting nihilistically unless they are on "the other team." Time to call out our own "teams."

Appreciate what you're attempting to do here, Jerry. I'm on board.

[jerryskids 6,731]

5 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Foxnews reporting that Trump hasn't ruled out nuking Iran.  2 weeks to decide.

He's negotiating, genius.  The other day some reporter asked him if he was going to bomb Iran.  He laughed and said something like, "look at this jamoke thinking I'm going to answer that question."  He then did a Trumpian "Maybe.  I dunno.  We'll see.  Could happen."  

[Ron_Artest 1,333]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

He's negotiating, genius.  The other day some reporter asked him if he was going to bomb Iran.  He laughed and said something like, "look at this jamoke thinking I'm going to answer that question."  He then did a Trumpian "Maybe.  I dunno.  We'll see.  Could happen."  

Negotiating. 

He's not looking for the cheapest drywaller in NYC, he's supposed to forging a peace deal.  When you're looking at making peace you don't threaten them nuclear Holocaust

Jesus this guy has got you good.  I weep for the old pragmatic critical thinking jerry

[Cdub100 3,889]

9 minutes ago, Sandy Loam said:

In other words, you hate Jews.

theres a saying, "the Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you"

Thanks for proving that true.

[jerryskids 6,731]

8 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I had the same issue but ended up getting in. Thank you, that was an excellent read. It inspired me to re-evaluate some of my positions. There is absolutely an "undercurrent" in this country that is alarming, to put it mildly.

Fixing it starts with evaluating our own beliefs and behavior, and attuning ourselves to the hate on my side. Then calling it out when you see it manifest within "allies." Geeks quibble over not calling out those that are acting nihilistically unless they are on "the other team." Time to call out our own "teams."

Appreciate what you're attempting to do here, Jerry. I'm on board.

Thanks.  Yeah, that was the epiphany I had when reading it.  I was like Holy Ish, this is exactly happening on my lightly-trafficked low-rent FF message bored$#@!  I decided to call it out yesterday; it seems I didn't make any friends in doing so (well, maybe you  ), but it needs to be said.

Too bad none of the folks the article describes will read it.   

[MDC 7,295]

5 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Foxnews reporting that Trump hasn't ruled out nuking Iran.  2 weeks to decide.

Some time frame for releasing his tax returns and the outline of a concept of a healthcare plan.  

[thegeneral 3,121]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Some time frame for releasing his tax returns and the outline of a concept of a healthcare plan.  

It’s his bullshitt timeline for everything. This is the biggest sign pointing towards we will not get involved more than we are.

[jerryskids 6,731]

8 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Negotiating. 

He's not looking for the cheapest drywaller in NYC, he's supposed to forging a peace deal.  When you're looking at making peace you don't threaten them nuclear Holocaust

Jesus this guy has got you good.  I weep for the old pragmatic critical thinking jerry

Once again, code monkey proves that he is an expert negotiator in foreign affairs.  

I feel like a broken record, but you Lefties think that other cultures respond the way ours would.  That's a fallacy.

Also, when you view everything through a lens of anything Trump does is by definition bad, wrong, evil, stupid... you get your pablum.

[TimHauck 2,728]

30 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

 

I object to Jews being over represented in all aspects of our lives from, government, media, education, etc...

 

Didn’t peg you as someone in favor of affirmative action, interesting 

[thegeneral 3,121]

12 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Once again, code monkey proves that he is an expert negotiator in foreign affairs.  

I feel like a broken record, but you Lefties think that other cultures respond the way ours would.  That's a fallacy.

Also, when you view everything through a lens of anything Trump does is by definition bad, wrong, evil, stupid... you get your pablum.

Donald sounds like a clown when he talks to reporters in this manner. It’s just what it is. How about just say everything is on the table. Same was for Biden when he got all butthurt by the Fox News twat. When some talking hairdo gets you wound up this easily it’s the Prez that ends up looking dumb.

I don’t see how telling the world on social media that in two weeks you will decide to bomb or not is top notch negotiating. Frankly makes me depressed that this is how this takes place.

[jerryskids 6,731]

27 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

My objection is Israel is the ONLY state that gets to lobby our politians as if they are not a foreign entity.

I object to Jews being over represented in all aspects of our lives from, government, media, education, etc...

I object that during the NYC race for mayor a candidate was grilled because he said he would stay in NYC and not go pay fealty to Israel. That every presidents first trip is to go put on a tiny hat and stand next to a wall.

I object Jews can commit crimes here and then race off to Israel for protection.

And I object to Israel trying to drag us into another stupid war nobody wants any part of. Other than warhawk GOP, defense contractors and jews

Like I said, hate the game, not the player.

Your issue is with our government and the people in it.

HTH

[Sandy Loam 47]

20 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

theres a saying, "the Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you"

Thanks for proving that true.

You and truth have little in the way of overlap considering your denial of Hitler's extermination of 6 million Jews and an inexorable volume of facts, eyewitness accounts and evidence proving that.

 

[jerryskids 6,731]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Donald sounds like a clown when he talks to reporters in this manner. It’s just what it is. How about just say everything is on the table. Same was for Biden when he got all butthurt by the Fox News twat. When some talking hairdo gets you wound up this easily it’s the Prez is the one that ends up looking dumb.

I don’t see how telling the world on social media that in two weeks you will decide to bomb or not is top notch negotiating. Frankly makes me depressed that this is how this takes place.

Donald wasn't butt hurt; did you miss the part where I said he laughed?

Gutter thinks the path to peace is to keep licking Iran's ball sack like we have since 1979.  How is that working out?  Every major terrorist organization in the ME is their proxy.  We want that group to get nukes?

[TimHauck 2,728]

Well if we go to war with Iran because of Israel hopefully that means their wrestlers will have to forfeit to us at the upcoming world championships 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,268]

50 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

So, your objection is that Israel successfully lobbies for its benefit.  Which is what... every industry, country, and special interest attempts to do.  Do you hate Michigan if it successfully gets relief for auto workers in a piece of federal legislation?

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Jews have been curb stomped for most of the past several thousand years.  In that experience they have developed a very tight knit community.  They tend to live close together, help each others families, get jobs for each other.  It's not so much hating you; that's a lot of hubris on your part.  It's about prioritizing themselves over others.  And prioritizing family, education, personal responsibility... the things successful cultures do.  The things we used to do.

I don’t think lobbying for the auto industry and a foreign country are the same. I don’t care for the former, I despise the latter. 

[thegeneral 3,121]

Just now, jerryskids said:

Donald wasn't butt hurt; did you miss the part where I said he laughed?

Gutter thinks the path to peace is to keep licking Iran's ball sack like we have since 1979.  How is that working out?  Every major terrorist organization in the ME is their proxy.  We want that group to get nukes?

Oh he laughed at the end of his little temper tantrum. Let me guess he also made fun of the media outlet and said no one watches them. This is clown behavior.

Back to the point of telling the Ayatollah on social media that he’s going to be bombed, or maybe not, in two weeks is also clown behavior. I can’t believe this is how we are doing this but here we are.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,268]

34 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Negotiating. 

He's not looking for the cheapest drywaller in NYC, he's supposed to forging a peace deal.  When you're looking at making peace you don't threaten them nuclear Holocaust

Jesus this guy has got you good.  I weep for the old pragmatic critical thinking jerry

We threatened Japan with nukes while seeking their surrender. Wait, you think he’s negotiating peace? You really don’t know what’s going on. They get peace if they surrender. You are thick as a brick man 

[thegeneral 3,121]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I don’t think lobbying for the auto industry and a foreign country are the same. I don’t care for the former, I despise the latter. 

You must really dislike our Attorney General. 

[Ron_Artest 1,333]

23 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

We threatened Japan with nukes while seeking their surrender. Wait, you think he’s negotiating peace? You really don’t know what’s going on. They get peace if they surrender. You are thick as a brick man 

We were at war with Japan.  They attacked us first.  We're not at war with Iran.  They have nothing to surrender.

Are you for real?

[Ron_Artest 1,333]

48 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Once again, code monkey proves that he is an expert negotiator in foreign affairs.  

I feel like a broken record, but you Lefties think that other cultures respond the way ours would.  That's a fallacy.

Also, when you view everything through a lens of anything Trump does is by definition bad, wrong, evil, stupid... you get your pablum.

I never claimed to be an expert negotiator but I'm sure as hell more competent than the 80 year old senile goon is.

And no I don't view trump as everything he does is bad.  I praised him for not attacking Iran, for lifting his tariffs, etc.

[Ron_Artest 1,333]

32 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Oh he laughed at the end of his little temper tantrum. Let me guess he also made fun of the media outlet and said no one watches them. This is clown behavior.

Back to the point of telling the Ayatollah on social media that he’s going to be bombed, or maybe not, in two weeks is also clown behavior. I can’t believe this is how we are doing this but here we are.

 

He posted that he knows we're he is and he might murder him, or he might not.

That's not negotiating.  That is childish and foolish.

[thegeneral 3,121]

17 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

He posted that he knows we're he is and he might murder him, or he might not.

That's not negotiating.  That is childish and foolish.

It would be great if it were WWF.

[The Real timschochet 6,640]

20 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

We were at war with Japan.  They attacked us first.  We're not at war with Iran.  They have nothing to surrender.

Are you for real?

He is. Unlike @HellToupee and @Tree of Knowledge. 
 

That being said, I suspect in real life @Hardcore troubadour is probably a decent guy despite some of the stuff he has written here (not talking about his political views, I’m talking about his wishing bad things on peoples’ families- I doubt he would do that or even think that  in real life.) His problem, IMO, is that he wants to look at the world in black and white terms without nuance or shades of grey. This flaw runs through most of his posts. 

[Fnord 2,194]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Thanks.  Yeah, that was the epiphany I had when reading it.  I was like Holy Ish, this is exactly happening on my lightly-trafficked low-rent FF message bored$#@!  I decided to call it out yesterday; it seems I didn't make any friends in doing so (well, maybe you  ), but it needs to be said.

Too bad none of the folks the article describes will read it.   

Well I would consider us i-friends (e-friends? IDFK) albeit with significant differences of opinion prior to you posting this. But you are correct, it won't be received well.

I have spoken up to others on the left here that have irked me for one reason or another, and they have mostly taken it in stride. I generally do so in a respectful tone, which may help. It's definitely difficult to maintain respectful interaction when those you're taking issue with are being verbally abusive and/or lack the open-mindedness/intelligence to truly do some self reflection. 

[Fnord 2,194]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

That being said, I suspect in real life @Hardcore troubadour is probably a decent guy despite some of the stuff he has written here (not talking about his political views, I’m talking about his wishing bad things on peoples’ families- I doubt he would do that or even think that  in real life.) 

He can be quite aggravating, which is his "thing." I tend to agree, which is why I haven't put him on ignore. Though he probably wishes I would.

[HellToupee 1,715]

32 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

We were at war with Japan.  They attacked us first.  We're not at war with Iran.  They have nothing to surrender.

Are you for real?

Iran has been attacking us since ‘79. 

[Ron_Artest 1,333]

11 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Iran has been attacking us since ‘79. 

You're not a serious person.

[Cdub100 3,889]

14 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Iran has been attacking us since ‘79. 

we have always been at war with East Asia

we have always been at war with Eurasia

we've always been at war with Eastasia

we've always been at war with East Asia

we've always been at war with Eurasia

[HellToupee 1,715]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

You're not a serious person.

You’re a buffoon. A bottom feeder who has to cycle through alias accounts to spew your nonsense

[HellToupee 1,715]

2 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

we have always been at war with East Asia

we have always been at war with Eurasia

we've always been at war with Eastasia

we've always been at war with East Asia

we've always been at war with Eurasia

Some partial truths here. Certainly the cia and the oss before that have been doing things. 
 

how long have you been a bootlicker  for the Islamic republic ?

[Ron_Artest 1,333]

7 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

You’re a buffoon. A bottom feeder who has to cycle through alias accounts to spew your nonsense

When did Congress declare war on Iran?

[HellToupee 1,715]

15 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

When did Congress declare war on Iran?

When was the last time congress declared war?

[Ron_Artest 1,333]

24 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

When was the last time congress declared war?

The last time we threatened another country with nuclear holocaust.