Israel attacks Iran UPDATE: Trump claims a cease fire among all countries

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

It’s the Jews that made them rape and chop peoples heads off on Oct 7. They never did that stuff before. 

[TimHauck 2,876]

3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Moral equivalency!

Did you attend Columbia?

Also, we support Israel to prevent the Middle East from becoming one ginormous pile of terrorist shiot that, in the absence of Israel to be mad at, would turn their attention to other countries, like they did on 9/11.

Honest question as I was in high school on 9/11, but what changed with Israel that caused Al Qaida to attack us on 9/11?

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On 7/7/2025 at 12:49 PM, MDC said:

I’m wouldn’t be surprised if many of them sympathize with terrorists. 

Liberals like yourself do. 

[TimHauck 2,876]

1 hour ago, Gepetto said:

We? We’re not Israeli. It’s not right to blame Israelis or even the IDF either. Only the individuals responsible if the crimes should be blamed and held responsible, if proven guilty of the heinous crime.

We’re funding them. Hopefully no Americans raped any Palestinians, but there are some on a recording allegedly laughing about shooting Palestinians seeking aid.

[Strike 5,547]

ABC News thinks the Israeli hostages being held by Hamas are just "detainees."

[seafoam1 3,025]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

ABC News thinks the Israeli hostages being held by Hamas are just "detainees."

That's more what they want to message I'm guessing than them actually believing. TDS  hate filled liberal news people in the nut shell. 

[jerryskids 6,799]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

It’s sort of amazing to me that bin Laden / Al Qaida can say they attacked the US on 9/11 because of our military presence in Saudi Arabia and unconditional support for Israel.

And even with 25 years of hindsight, an MIT grad can vote for a POTUS who campaigned on getting us out of foreign conflicts … and still think more meddling in the ME will keep us safe.

Metal helmet stupid. 🪖 

 

Sometimes to get out of foreign conflicts, you have to use peace through strength.  That's what I voted for.

In six months Trump has managed to:

- Get NATO to agree to a ramp to 5% of GDP.

- Get Euro countries to begin transition of primary support of Ukraine to them vs. us.

Are these things in line with your goals, jeenius?

- Supported then assisted Israel in crippling Iran's military and nuclear capabilities.

- Pressuring Qatar to end support of Hamas leadership.

- In talks with many countries to join the Abraham Accords, including Saudi, Syria, Lebanon, Oman, and several former SSRs

 

As opposed to Obama who got a Peace Prize for being a hipster black president, Trump's 6 months put him on the Mount Rushmore of foreign policy for US presidents (except for tariffs, but he seems to be backing off those).  Peace through strength.   

 

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5 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Should be?  I guess.  Is it?  Not really at this point.  The Palestinians, for all of their co-existence with Israel and all the various shiot governments they chose during that time, consistently turn down options for viable solutions.

"From the river to the sea" is not just for ignorant college kids to chant.

But hey, insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, so I guess we should give it another go.   

Bump for @TimHauck

[TimHauck 2,876]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Bump for @TimHauck

Was there a question here?

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10 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

Sometimes to get out of foreign conflicts, you have to use peace through strength.  That's what I voted for.

Really? Because Trump campaigned on not getting us involved in foreign conflicts—one of the few parts of his platform I support.

Now you’re making neocon arguments for foreign intervention. “We have to fight them there so we don’t have to fight them here!”

Thank you Dubya.  

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27 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Was there a question here?

I responded to your question.  If that's your idea of a conversation, please don't ask me any more questions.   

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23 minutes ago, MDC said:

Really? Because Trump campaigned on not getting us involved in foreign conflicts

Wrong. But what's new with your idiotic posts? 

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Trump must have said 100x Iran can’t have a nuclear weapon while campaigning.  

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Trump also said he wouldn’t get us involved in foreign conflicts. He says lots of stuff. 

[TimHauck 2,876]

55 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I responded to your question.  If that's your idea of a conversation, please don't ask me any more questions.   

Thanks for your response?  Sorry I didn’t really have anything else to add there? 

Yesterday you were complaining that I kept responding to you, today you’re complaining that I’m not, are you a teenage girl?

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3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Honest question as I was in high school on 9/11, but what changed with Israel that caused Al Qaida to attack us on 9/11?

Bump for @jerryskids

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2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Bump for @jerryskids

Bump for timhack to keep making a fool of himself. 

[TimHauck 2,876]

Seems like the centrist/conservative leaning podcasters are starting to question Israel a bit more.  Not just those crazy libs

 

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21 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Bump for @jerryskids

Since you are too lazy or stupid to search yourself, here is what ChatGPT says:

AI Overview

 

 

Since the 9/11 attacks, US support for Israel has seen both 

reinforcement of existing ties and some evolving dynamics. 

Reinforcement and Continuity:

• Recognition of Common Foe: The shared experience of confronting international terrorism solidified some aspects of the relationship, with a recognition of common security concerns.
• Continued Security Assistance: The US has maintained and increased its security assistance to Israel, with agreements to provide billions in military aid, particularly focusing on maintaining Israel's qualitative military edge (QME). This support has become increasingly crucial during periods of conflict with groups like Hamas and Hezbollah.
• Support for a Two-State Solution (with conditions): While recognizing Israel's right to defend itself, the US administration, notably under President Bush, also expressed support for a Palestinian state, provided it was not born of terror. 

Evolving Dynamics and Potential Shifts:

• Israel's Expertise in Counterterrorism: Israel's extensive experience in counterterrorism and homeland security became a valuable asset for collaboration with the US after 9/11.
• Changes in Public Opinion: While government support has remained strong, there's been a noticeable shift in American public opinion, particularly among younger generations (millennials), with increased sympathy for Palestinians. Even within some traditional pro-Israel groups, like evangelical Christians, support has reportedly decreased.
• Debate and Domestic Criticism: The substantial US aid to Israel has sparked debate and domestic criticism, particularly concerning the war in Gaza and its impact on civilians.
• Strains in the Relationship: Recent events, such as the Israel-Hamas war, have led to increased tensions in the US-Israel relationship, particularly regarding the handling of the conflict and concerns about potential violations of international law. The Biden administration, while reaffirming support for Israel's security, has also voiced concerns about its actions. 

In essence, while the fundamental strategic alliance and US commitment to Israel's security remain strong, the relationship has evolved since 9/11, encompassing both deeper cooperation on counterterrorism and defense, alongside growing internal debate and some shifts in public and potentially political support for certain aspects of Israeli policy. 

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24 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Thanks for your response?  Sorry I didn’t really have anything else to add there? 

Yesterday you were complaining that I kept responding to you, today you’re complaining that I’m not, are you a teenage girl?

Thanks for the response?  Agree or disagree?  SuppressedNews tweet about another 50 women and children gunned down by IDF today?  

I don't spend my time here just to answer your idiotic questions.

[TimHauck 2,876]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Thanks for the response?  Agree or disagree?  SuppressedNews tweet about another 50 women and children gunned down by IDF today?  

I don't spend my time here just to answer your idiotic questions.

I don’t have a strong opinion on it TBH, was just curious of your opinion. 

I hadn’t really researched what the common options for the proposed state could look like.  Seems like most of them just carve out Gaza and the West Bank.   But looking at the map there appears to be very little population in the southern portion of Israel, don’t know if it’s ever been proposed but in theory seems like you could actually give them a continuous area that goes “from the river to the sea” while displacing very few Israelis.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Free Palestine. From Islam. 

[TimHauck 2,876]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Since you are too lazy or stupid to search yourself, here is what ChatGPT says:

AI Overview

 

 

Since the 9/11 attacks, US support for Israel has seen both 

reinforcement of existing ties and some evolving dynamics. 

Reinforcement and Continuity:

• Recognition of Common Foe: The shared experience of confronting international terrorism solidified some aspects of the relationship, with a recognition of common security concerns.
• Continued Security Assistance: The US has maintained and increased its security assistance to Israel, with agreements to provide billions in military aid, particularly focusing on maintaining Israel's qualitative military edge (QME). This support has become increasingly crucial during periods of conflict with groups like Hamas and Hezbollah.
• Support for a Two-State Solution (with conditions): While recognizing Israel's right to defend itself, the US administration, notably under President Bush, also expressed support for a Palestinian state, provided it was not born of terror. 

Evolving Dynamics and Potential Shifts:

• Israel's Expertise in Counterterrorism: Israel's extensive experience in counterterrorism and homeland security became a valuable asset for collaboration with the US after 9/11.
• Changes in Public Opinion: While government support has remained strong, there's been a noticeable shift in American public opinion, particularly among younger generations (millennials), with increased sympathy for Palestinians. Even within some traditional pro-Israel groups, like evangelical Christians, support has reportedly decreased.
• Debate and Domestic Criticism: The substantial US aid to Israel has sparked debate and domestic criticism, particularly concerning the war in Gaza and its impact on civilians.
• Strains in the Relationship: Recent events, such as the Israel-Hamas war, have led to increased tensions in the US-Israel relationship, particularly regarding the handling of the conflict and concerns about potential violations of international law. The Biden administration, while reaffirming support for Israel's security, has also voiced concerns about its actions. 

In essence, while the fundamental strategic alliance and US commitment to Israel's security remain strong, the relationship has evolved since 9/11, encompassing both deeper cooperation on counterterrorism and defense, alongside growing internal debate and some shifts in public and potentially political support for certain aspects of Israeli policy. 

This just talks about stuff since after 9/11.  Your post below suggests something changed that caused Al-Qaida to have an “absence of having Israel to be mad it” and that that was part of the reason for 9/11.   I had never heard that; if anything the opposite as US support for Israel was listed as a reason for the attack.

8 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Moral equivalency!

Did you attend Columbia?

Also, we support Israel to prevent the Middle East from becoming one ginormous pile of terrorist shiot that, in the absence of Israel to be mad at, would turn their attention to other countries, like they did on 9/11.

 

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

This just talks about stuff since after 9/11.  Your post below suggests something changed that caused Al-Qaida to have an “absence of having Israel to be mad it” and that that was part of the reason for 9/11.   I had never heard that; if anything the opposite as US support for Israel was listed as a reason for the attack.

 

Poor timcrack. 

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On 7/1/2025 at 10:15 AM, Ron_Artest said:

@Sean Mooney @TimHauck Megla is not Horseman.  Megla is an OG geek.  He's a good dude that has been inflicted by the Maga virus but otherwise a good dude.  He was around during the Geek Club golden years, before Recliner Pilot drove everyone away, before the Latin Pimp hack and before the FBG tools invaded and started reporting everyone and acting like annoying kids.

The free rent I own in those two simpleton's minds. 

[Horseman 2,458]

On 7/1/2025 at 8:09 AM, TimHauck said:

And he even had the balls to post multiple times “Horseman OG, never banned”

Horseman OG, STILL - Never banned.  

[TimHauck 2,876]

9 minutes ago, Horseman said:

The free rent I own in those two simpleton's minds. 

You posted about me numerous times in the last few days…

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On 7/7/2025 at 11:14 AM, TimHauck said:

Israel intentionally killed doctors and journalists.

Some of us were informed as to where Hamas built their headquarters and kept their weapon stashes.

[Voltaire 5,316]

On 7/7/2025 at 2:12 PM, MDC said:

Yes sorry. Something like 70% of Gaza is under 30 and half under 18. 

My goodness, Israel really truly sucks at committing genocide.

[TimHauck 2,876]

3 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Some of us were informed as to where Hamas built their headquarters and kept their weapon stashes.

They intentionally killed doctors and journalists in attacks that were not targeted at Hamas members 

[Voltaire 5,316]

On 7/8/2025 at 12:39 PM, HellToupee said:

 

• Qatari donations have ramped up significantly over the last four years. Nearly a third of donations from Qatar—over $2 billion—were given between 2021 and 2024.

Welcome Back Qatar

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23 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

My goodness, Israel really truly sucks at committing genocide.

We should give them more money.  

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21 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

They intentionally killed doctors and journalists in attacks that were not targeted at Hamas members 

Maybe. Settlers on the West Bank sometimes do a-hole things to Palestinians and many of them and their opinions of Palestinians have likely found their way into the Israeli Army. While I take any claims made by Hamas with a great deal of skepticism, that doesn't mean its always bullsh*t.

Personally, the approximate distribution ratio I'm working with, I hold Israel responsible for 0.01% of the atrocities there and Palestinians responsible for 99.99%

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On 7/1/2025 at 7:48 AM, Meglamaniac said:

LOL

When even the inability  to post on a low rent FF message board is Trump's fault.

BTW, it's called a suspension, being banned is permanent

HTH

You'd think an English teacher would know the difference. . 

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https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/12/middleeast/american-killed-israeli-settlers-west-bank-intl

Palestinian-American beaten to death by Israeli settlers in occupied West Bank, another man shot dead, health ministry says

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4 hours ago, Gepetto said:

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/12/middleeast/american-killed-israeli-settlers-west-bank-intl

Palestinian-American beaten to death by Israeli settlers in occupied West Bank, another man shot dead, health ministry says

War is hell. A shltload of Americans died during WW2. 

[Gepetto 1,368]

8 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

War is hell. A shltload of Americans died during WW2. 

This isn't part of the war. Israeli settlers have been ruthless toward Palestinians in the West Bank since before the war. There's a reason Palestinians think of Jews as their enemy. This man beaten to death was born in Tampa Florida. The murderers need to be prosecuted.

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14 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

This isn't part of the war. Israeli settlers have been ruthless toward Palestinians in the West Bank since before the war. There's a reason Palestinians think of Jews as their enemy. This man beaten to death was born in Tampa Florida. The murderers need to be prosecuted.

Palestinians started all this. Now it seems the Israelis are working to finish it.

There are tons of Palestinian supporters here in this country who are violent as fock and deserve what they get.

  

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@jerryskids, you may find this interesting, kinda reminded me of our conversation including some of the same topics mentioned. While Kirk has said a lot of despicable things, I thought he did a good job moderating this debate.    Overall they both seemed to know their stuff, but the pro-Israel dude did stoop to name calling more often.   I thought the anti-Israel dude brought up an interesting analogy about the “BuT hAmAs UsEs HuMaN sHiElDs!” argument…that’d be like if someone robbed a bank and took everyone inside hostage, and in order to stop him we just blew up the whole bank.  I don’t think many people would support that.  So he correctly called out the hypocrisy of people claiming to be “pro-life” but being okay with the murder of children as long as they take out some Hamas dudes at the same time. 

 

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4 hours ago, TimHauck said:

@jerryskids, you may find this interesting, kinda reminded me of our conversation including some of the same topics mentioned. While Kirk has said a lot of despicable things, I thought he did a good job moderating this debate.    Overall they both seemed to know their stuff, but the pro-Israel dude did stoop to name calling more often.   I thought the anti-Israel dude brought up an interesting analogy about the “BuT hAmAs UsEs HuMaN sHiElDs!” argument…that’d be like if someone robbed a bank and took everyone inside hostage, and in order to stop him we just blew up the whole bank.  I don’t think many people would support that.  So he correctly called out the hypocrisy of people claiming to be “pro-life” but being okay with the murder of children as long as they take out some Hamas dudes at the same time. 

 

Thanks, but I'm on vacation so I doubt ill watch that. Also, that isn't the worst analogy I've ever heard, but it isn't a great one either.