So lemme get this straight….

[Hardcore troubadour 15,274]

I’d like to see more if Iran feels strong. End them as a viable force once and for all. They send one of ours to the hospital, we send a thousand of theirs to the morgue. The Chicago way. 

[The Real timschochet 6,651]

45 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Well, let's not forget the fact that Iran has also declared "Death to America" and vowed to destroy us as well FOR THE LAST 40+ YEARS.  So, yeah, Iran was NOT minding it's own business at all.

This peenie chick is an emotional, unhinged lunatic.

It is true that the leaders of Iran have been shouting “death to America!” for decades. But so far as we know they haven’t up to this point instigated acts of terrorism against the United Stares. Saudi Arabia, our ally, has: the Saudis funded 9/11 and all of the perpetrators were from there. We pretend that’s not so; we responded by attacking Afghanistan and Iraq but never Saudi Arabia. And let’s be even more honest: if Saudi Arabia wanted to obtain nukes we would do nothing to stop them, any more than we did nothing to stop Pakistan which has them already. 

So stop trying to act like this was some kind of righteous act on our part. It may have been necessary for our interests but lay low on the righteousness. 

[kilroy69 1,245]

6 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I don’t particularly want Iran to have a nuke either. A couple weeks ago we were told by our IC they weren’t close though.

This isn’t going to make anyone who wanted Israel removed from the map change their mind. 

"Enrichment Levels: Iran has significantly increased its uranium enrichment levels, including enriching to 60%, which is a short technical step away from weapons-grade (around 90%). The Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS) warned earlier this year that Iran could convert its 60% enriched stockpile into enough weapons-grade uranium for nine nuclear bombs in as little as three weeks."

This is public knowledge found by a quick gemini search from a report in May 31st 2025.  We bombed them around 3 weeks later. Coincidence? 

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8 hours ago, peenie said:

That’s what I thought: crickets. You’ve got nothing because there is nothing to excuse what Trump had ordered. Worst President EVER!!!

Trump is certainly NOT making America great again. 

i purchased a product which was $40 that is now $86. The guy who cuts my lawn disappeared. 

I saw a documentary about this phenomenon a few years ago. 

 

[Strike 5,433]

2 hours ago, peenie said:

Okay, you explain to me why he speaks the way he does! What’s your theory? 

You never heard of The Valley Girl accent? It’s a regional rich suburb accent from California. It’s been replaced by uptalk or the vocal fry (think Kim Kardashian). Everyone has an accent, everyone. 

Are you really this dumb?  I grew up in the valley.  No one actually spole like Moon Zappa in the Valley Girl song.  Do you actually believe people did or still do?

[thegeneral 3,121]

8 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

"Enrichment Levels: Iran has significantly increased its uranium enrichment levels, including enriching to 60%, which is a short technical step away from weapons-grade (around 90%). The Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS) warned earlier this year that Iran could convert its 60% enriched stockpile into enough weapons-grade uranium for nine nuclear bombs in as little as three weeks."

This is public knowledge found by a quick gemini search from a report in May 31st 2025.  We bombed them around 3 weeks later. Coincidence? 

Tulsi as head of our IC was testifying that they were not actively building a bomb in March. Maybe we were wrong then, maybe they had ramped Iran had ramped things up, maybe this is all never ending BS. 

Personally no issues with blowing this stuff up. Just would advise against hurting ourselves with vigorous pats on the back as this is never going to end. Gaza getting blown to shet, Iran murdering thousands of Jews in October, us dropping bombs from 50k feet alone will keep this going for a few more decades. 

[Strike 5,433]

15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It is true that the leaders of Iran have been shouting “death to America!” for decades. But so far as we know they haven’t up to this point instigated acts of terrorism against the United Stares. Saudi Arabia, our ally, has: the Saudis funded 9/11 and all of the perpetrators were from there. We pretend that’s not so; we responded by attacking Afghanistan and Iraq but never Saudi Arabia. And let’s be even more honest: if Saudi Arabia wanted to obtain nukes we would do nothing to stop them, any more than we did nothing to stop Pakistan which has them already. 

So stop trying to act like this was some kind of righteous act on our part. It may have been necessary for our interests but lay low on the righteousness. 

They have funded acts of terrorism against the U.S. through their proxies, including October 7th which cost America lives.  I'm not sure but there may still be American hostages from that attack.  So GTFOH with that B.S. that they haven't instigated acts of terrorism against the U.S.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,036]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

They have funded acts of terrorism against the U.S. through their proxies, including October 7th which cost America lives.  I'm not sure but there may still be American hostages from that attack.  So GTFOH with that B.S. that they haven't instigated acts of terrorism against the U.S.

I was going to respond to that, but you've done it so well here I don't have to.

[kilroy69 1,245]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Tulsi as head of our IC was testifying that they were not actively building a bomb in March. Maybe we were wrong then, maybe they had ramped Iran had ramped things up, maybe this is all never ending BS. 

Personally no issues with blowing this stuff up. Just would advise against hurting ourselves with vigorous pats on the back as this is never going to end. Gaza getting blown to shet, Iran murdering thousands of Jews in October, us dropping bombs from 50k feet alone will keep this going for a few more decades. 

I do not think anyone should be under any illusions that us dropping the moabs is going to somehow settle the middle east. It will not. All this does is keep a radical regime from getting a weapon that would change the balance of power in the region. This is why you are not seeing Jordan or the Saudis coming to the aid of Iran. THEY KNOW. 

[Engorgeous George 2,290]

Trump's military parade part deux?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,036]

3 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

I do not think anyone should be under any illusions that us dropping the moabs is going to somehow settle the middle east. It will not. All this does is keep a radical regime from getting a weapon that would change the balance of power in the region. This is why you are not seeing Jordan or the Saudis coming to the aid of Iran. THEY KNOW. 

Yep.  This is an ongoing process until the regime and 5th BCE dictatorship is completely destroyed and removed from power forever.

[The Real timschochet 6,651]

10 minutes ago, Strike said:

They have funded acts of terrorism against the U.S. through their proxies, including October 7th which cost America lives.  I'm not sure but there may still be American hostages from that attack.  So GTFOH with that B.S. that they haven't instigated acts of terrorism against the U.S.

If you want to include Oct 7, fine. But it still ignores the point that using that argument while ignoring Saudi Arabia, is hugely hypocritical. 

[thegeneral 3,121]

16 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

I do not think anyone should be under any illusions that us dropping the moabs is going to somehow settle the middle east. It will not. All this does is keep a radical regime from getting a weapon that would change the balance of power in the region. This is why you are not seeing Jordan or the Saudis coming to the aid of Iran. THEY KNOW. 

Ultimately Iran’s crazies not having this bomb is good so looking for silver linings I’m down with that. Were they going to have one is another issue, regardless now that we have taken this step we have just turned the next page in that focked up region’s book and we are actively flipping the pages now.

Broadly speaking (and like in Ukraine / Russia war) I prefer we are more active than passive and doing it in this manner - dropping bombs and drones with the type of tech that is decades beyond our competition. 

But, yeah no one knows what the hell is going to happen next  

[peenie 1,915]

28 minutes ago, Strike said:

Are you really this dumb?  I grew up in the valley.  No one actually spole like Moon Zappa in the Valley Girl song.  Do you actually believe people did or still do?

First of all, I lived in California and there most definitely is an accent. Maybe what one heard in the movies or television is exaggerated but yes, there was and is an accent. Stop calling me names. 

[peenie 1,915]

Israel is not a part of the United States!!!!!!!!!!!!

We (Canada) have our own oil and reserves. Nigeria has oil, we don’t have to depend on the Middle East for oil. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,036]

Just now, peenie said:

Israel is not a part of the United States!!!!!!!!!!!!

Neither is Ukraine but you're more than willing to support that war. 

[kilroy69 1,245]

2 minutes ago, peenie said:

Israel is not a part of the United States!!!!!!!!!!!!

Countries Obama bombed as president. At least THIS bombing is going to keep a bad actor from getting nukes. 

 

Afghanistan

America’s longest war became Obama’s responsibility when he took office in 2009, and like his predecessor he has ordered airstrikes against suspected militant targets in the country. The air campaign – which has utilized both manned aircraft and unmanned drones – has been a major sticking point between the U.S. and the local government, which has decried the high civilian death toll.

In May Obama announced a plan to withdraw most American forces from Afghanistan by the end of this year, leaving behind a force of about 10,000 to maintain security and train Afghan forces. With a new Afghan president finally confirmed, U.S. officials expect the long-awaited Bilateral Security Agreement to be signed soon, permitting the residual U.S. force.

Pakistan

Like in Afghanistan, militants have been targeted by U.S. drones flying over Pakistan, causing similar uproar when they strike civilians rather than suspected Taliban outposts. Obama acknowledged that concern during a major speech at the National Defense University in 2013, saying that U.S. strikes that kill civilians could have the effect of spurring radicalization.

Libya

In March 2011, Obama announced the U.S. would join allied nations to launch air strikes on Libya. The move came after a U.N. Security Council resolution authorizing use of force to protect Libyan civilians, and though regime change wasn’t Obama’s stated goal at the beginning of the campaign, the airstrikes ended with the death of longtime Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi.

Since then the security situation in Libya has deteriorated. In 2012, four Americans were killed during an attack on the U.S. compound in Benghazi, and in July of this year, the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli was evacuated.

Yemen

Facing threats from al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the Obama administration significantly ramped-up the use of armed drones. Nearly 100 attacks have occurred since 2009, according to estimates from the New American Foundation, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of militants, but also many civilians.

Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula in Yemen has been a nexus of threats against the U.S., including the so called “underwear bomber” who tried to ignite explosives on a U.S.-bound airliner in 2009.

Somalia

U.S. drones have targeted militants associated with al Shabaab, a terrorist network that perpetrated a high-profile attack last year at a mall in Kenya. Earlier this month, the U.S. targeted the group’s leader Ahmed Godane using commandos aided by drones, killing him in an area south of Mogadishu.

Iraq

Citing a humanitarian crisis and potential threats to American interests, Obama ordered airstrikes to begin in Iraq in August, becoming the fourth president in a row to order airstrikes there. The Iraqi government, outmatched by ISIS fighters taking over broad swaths of land, welcomed the strikes.

The campaign broadened in September, when Obama announced he would begin targeting ISIS specifically. Instead of seeking specific authorization from lawmakers, Obama said he would rely on a Congressional authorization from 2011 that allowed the President to go after al Qaeda.

Syria

Obama’s latest front for airstrikes has been gripped by civil war for more than three years. Obama came to the brink of ordering airstrikes there in 2013, after Syrian President Bashar al-Assad used chemical weapons on civilians. But after Congress balked, Obama backed away, brokering instead a deal to rid al-Assad of his chemical stockpiles.

How Obama came to launch strikes in Syria

A year later, facing a different threat in Syria in the form of ISIS and the al Qaeda offshoot Khorasan, Obama authorized airstrikes on terrorist targets alongside a coalition of other Arab states. Officials say the mission to defeat those groups won’t be won in day. Instead they’re predicting a sustained effort that will surely be left for the next commander in chief to carry forward.

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10 hours ago, peenie said:

We just bombed Iran, a country that didn’t bomb us, that was minding its own business until Israel (not part of the United States) attacked it.

 You all think this is correct and okay? 

IDGAF about the other theads. 

That’s about right. The MAGAs who spent a year saying Trump is the POTUS of Peace and would get us out of foreign conflicts are now making neocons arguments for perpetual war.

Surprising I know.

[kilroy69 1,245]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

That’s about right. The MAGAs who spent a year saying Trump is the POTUS of Peace and would get us out of foreign conflicts are now making neocons arguments for perpetual war.

Surprising I know.

SHE had a legit question. YOU are just focking stupid. 

[peenie 1,915]

5 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Neither is Ukraine but you're more than willing to support that war. 

 True….

[MDC 7,296]

3 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

SHE had a legit question. YOU are just focking stupid. 

I answered her question. HTH

[thegeneral 3,121]

There is also a good argument to be made pulling us out of Obama’s deal with Iran is what led us to having to bomb them.

Trump did that because he’s always been butthurt by Obama.

[peenie 1,915]

8 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

Countries Obama bombed as president. At least THIS bombing is going to keep a bad actor from getting nukes. 

 

Afghanistan

Pakistan

Libya

Yemen

Somalia

Iraq

Syria

Well…….

 

[Ron_Artest 1,333]

47 minutes ago, Strike said:

They have funded acts of terrorism against the U.S. through their proxies, including October 7th which cost America lives.  I'm not sure but there may still be American hostages from that attack.  So GTFOH with that B.S. that they haven't instigated acts of terrorism against the U.S.

So has qatar.  The difference being Iran didn't bribe trump with an airplane.

[Strike 5,433]

38 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

If you want to include Oct 7, fine. But it still ignores the point that using that argument while ignoring Saudi Arabia, is hugely hypocritical. 

Uh no.  I'm not in charge.  Just because our government doesn't go after everyone who attacks us doesn't mean I can't be happy when they do.  HTH.

[Ron_Artest 1,333]

Maga: why is Obama bombing all these middle East countries?  End the forever war!

Maga after Trump starts war with Iran: hey Obama did it too stop being a hypocrite.

[Strike 5,433]

10 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

There is also a good argument to be made pulling us out of Obama’s deal with Iran is what led us to having to bomb them.

Trump did that because he’s always been butthurt by Obama.

Obama's deal was a joke and wouldn't have prevented them from getting a Nuke anyways.  And my memory is a little fuzzy but IIRC they weren't even adhering to THAT deal.  The problem is no one, especially the U.N. who's job it is, ever holds these country's accountable.

[Strike 5,433]

30 minutes ago, peenie said:

First of all, I lived in California and there most definitely is an accent. Maybe what one heard in the movies or television is exaggerated but yes, there was and is an accent. Stop calling me names. 

Shirley you can't be serious!!

[MDC 7,296]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Maga: why is Obama bombing all these middle East countries?  End the forever war!

Maga after Trump starts war with Iran: hey Obama did it too stop being a hypocrite.

You’re never disappointed if you check your principles at the door and support whatever Dear Leader does.  

[thegeneral 3,121]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Obama's deal was a joke and wouldn't have prevented them from getting a Nuke anyways.  And my memory is a little fuzzy but IIRC they weren't even adhering to THAT deal.  The problem is no one, especially the U.N. who's job it is, ever holds these country's accountable.

Somehow us having people monitoring them was impossible under Obama’s deal….but the IAEA is able to know with 100% accuracy the state of Iran’s enriched uranium

[Strike 5,433]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Somehow us having people monitoring them was impossible under Obama’s deal….but the IAEA is able to know with 100% accuracy the state of Iran’s enriched uranium

We didn't have people monitoring them.  It was always an international agency, and Iran always didn't give them the access they requested despite that being part of the deal.  You acknowledge that we don't know where they stand.  And I agree.  And I am in favor of errring on the conservative side when the alternative is a bad actor potentially getting Nukes.

[thegeneral 3,121]

9 minutes ago, Strike said:

We didn't have people monitoring them.  It was always an international agency, and Iran always didn't give them the access they requested despite that being part of the deal.  You acknowledge that we don't know where they stand.  And I agree.  And I am in favor of errring on the conservative side when the alternative is a bad actor potentially getting Nukes.

IAEA said Iran was in compliance with the deal up to 2018 when Don ended it…because Obama is a big meanie to Don.

[Strike 5,433]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

IAEA said Iran was in compliance with the deal up to 2018 when Don ended it…because Obama is a big meanie to Don.

Moving the goalposts now?  Lol.  You said "WE"  were monitoring them.  We did not.  And as I said Obama's deal was a joke that wouldn't have prevented them from getting Nukes.  So whether they were in compliance or not is irrelevant, but I don't believe they were.  It doesn't matter though.  This should have been dealt with PROPERLY at least a decade ago if not longer but it wasn't.  So here we are......

[Hardcore troubadour 15,274]

We have a US senator trying to convince the same morons that think men can get pregnant that the president doesn’t have the authority to do this kind of operation.  He knows full well he does. Democrats man. They love being lied to. 

[thegeneral 3,121]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Moving the goalposts now?  Lol.  You said "WE"  were monitoring them.  We did not.  And as I said Obama's deal was a joke that wouldn't have prevented them from getting Nukes.  So whether they were in compliance or not is irrelevant, but I don't believe they were.  It doesn't matter though.  This should have been dealt with PROPERLY at least a decade ago if not longer but it wasn't.  So here we are......

When I said “we” I was speaking generally like the world we.

We, that includes you and everyone else for clarity, have no idea what would have happened if the JCPOA wasn’t dissolved. 

My point was that the IAEA whose findings are being used as the reasoning for the bombing was also saying they were complying up to 2018. That was dealing with it, no?

[seafoam1 2,929]

Donald Trump. Greatest president ever. Confirmed!! 

[Maximum Overkill 1,912]

11 hours ago, peenie said:

minding its own business

And threatening to wipe Isreal off of the map and screams Death to America on State run TV. 

Minding their own business 

[Maximum Overkill 1,912]

4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Donald Trump. Greatest president ever. Confirmed!! 

It's official now. But was there ever any doubt? 

[Strike 5,433]

19 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

When I said “we” I was speaking generally like the world we.

We, that includes you and everyone else for clarity, have no idea what would have happened if the JCPOA wasn’t dissolved. 

My point was that the IAEA whose findings are being used as the reasoning for the bombing was also saying they were complying up to 2018. That was dealing with it, no?

First of all, you haven't proven your assertion that they were in compliance with ANYTHING.  So not gonna waste my time because like Tim, I don't have you on my list of posters who I can take "facts" at face value.

[thegeneral 3,121]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

First of all, you haven't proven your assertion that they were in compliance with ANYTHING.  So not gonna waste my time because like Tim, I don't have you on my list of posters who I can take "facts" at face value.

Link

“Iran’s stockpile of uranium enriched to 3.67 percent U‑235 was … 123.9 kg, below the 300 kg limit; … Iran enriched uranium only to 3.67 percent; … Iran has continued to implement the Additional Protocol … and permit additional monitoring and verification measures under the JCPOA.” 

and

IAEA Director General Yukiya Amano (June 2018)

In an official statement to the Board of Governors:

“As of today, I can state that Iran is implementing its nuclear‑related commitments … Inspectors had access to all the sites and locations which they needed to visit.”