Several SCOTUS decisions coming out today.....

[TimHauck 2,757]

53 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

You were the one that suggested an industry's "culture" was to blame for certain people's lack of opportunities. 

You dont get to pick and choose which industries your theory applies to and which ones it doesn't. 

Well the culture of the NFL isn’t why you’re not in it.  It was a stupid analogy, sorry.

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Well the culture of the NFL isn’t why you’re not in it.  It was a stupid analogy, sorry.

You may want to take a break. You are getting your ass kicked here. 

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28 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well the culture of the NFL isn’t why you’re not in it.  It was a stupid analogy, sorry.

I love how facts that curb stomp your narrative suddenly are stupid.

[TimHauck 2,757]

6 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I love how facts that curb stomp your narrative suddenly are stupid.

Oh hey, it’s @EternalShinyAndChrome supporting another strawman argument 

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8 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Well the culture of the NFL isn’t why you’re not in it.  It was a stupid analogy, sorry.

Well a little misogyny isn't why more women aren't in engineering. It was a stupid theory. 

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3 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Well a little misogyny isn't why more women aren't in engineering. It was a stupid theory. 

You don’t think it contributed at all?

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17 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Well a little misogyny isn't why more women aren't in engineering. It was a stupid theory. 

Correct. As with any situation there is not some univariate element causing an outcome.  In the worlds most egalitarian societies the differences between men and women were increased and not diminshed.

This fact perplexed researchers for some time.  But the simple truth is that when all barriers are lowered and people are allowed to choose for themselves, they will still choose in concert with their evolutionary programming.  And the societies also flourish as a result.

 

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22 hours ago, RLLD said:

Correct. As with any situation there is not some univariate element causing an outcome.  In the worlds most egalitarian societies the differences between men and women were increased and not diminshed.

This fact perplexed researchers for some time.  But the simple truth is that when all barriers are lowered and people are allowed to choose for themselves, they will still choose in concert with their evolutionary programming.  And the societies also flourish as a result.

 

Exactly. There aren't more women in engineering because women dont want to be in engineering. 

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28 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Exactly. There aren't more women in engineering because women dont want to be in engineering. 

I’m not saying it should be an equal number, and I agreed with @jerryskids that MIT went too far.  But you’re lying to yourself if you don’t think a “culture of misogyny” chased away some of the women that did want to be in engineering.

 

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23 hours ago, RLLD said:

Correct. As with any situation there is not some univariate element causing an outcome.  In the worlds most egalitarian societies the differences between men and women were increased and not diminshed.

This fact perplexed researchers for some time.  But the simple truth is that when all barriers are lowered and people are allowed to choose for themselves, they will still choose in concert with their evolutionary programming.  And the societies also flourish as a result.

 

 

32 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Exactly. There aren't more women in engineering because women dont want to be in engineering. 

This is 100% correct and irrefutable.  The simple fact of the matter is that men and women ARE different physically, mentally, socially and biologically.

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5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I’m not saying it should be an equal number, and I agreed with @jerryskids that MIT went too far.  But you’re lying to yourself if you don’t think a “culture of misogyny” chased away some of the women that did want to be in engineering.

Maybe 70+ years ago, but not certainly after that.  You're deluding yourself if you think that somehow that still an issue.  It isn't.  We've tried the social engineering with women and it doesn't work. 

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1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Maybe 70+ years ago, but not certainly after that.  You're deluding yourself if you think that somehow that still an issue.  It isn't.  We've tried the social engineering with women and it doesn't work. 

@jerryskids was the first one that used the word “misogyny,” and he didn’t say it was gone from the field.

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37 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

@jerryskids was the first one that used the word “misogyny,” and he didn’t say it was gone from the field.

Let's talk about misandry in the Nursing profession.  I mean, if we're going to use your pretzel logic as to why women aren't in engineering, then it applies to Nursing as well when it comes to men.

I'll let you go first and try to explain why it's NOT misandry keeping men out of the Nursing profession.  GO!!!

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1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Let's talk about misandry in the Nursing profession.  I mean, if we're going to use your pretzel logic as to why women aren't in engineering, then it applies to Nursing as well when it comes to men.

I'll let you go first and try to explain why it's NOT misandry keeping men out of the Nursing profession.  GO!!!

Easy.  Male nurses get made fun of by other men.

Next question?

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Just now, TimHauck said:

Easy.  Male nurses get made fun of by other men.

Next question?

I doubt it.  Try again.  Seems like it's a general hatred and contempt for men by women.  Has to be using the pretzel logic YOU put forth.

If you're going to use "misogyny" as an excuse as to why women aren't in X profession, then "misandry" applies to men as to why men aren't in Y profession.

[TimHauck 2,757]

6 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I doubt it.  Try again.  Seems like it's a general hatred and contempt for men by women.  Has to be using the pretzel logic YOU put forth.

If you're going to use "misogyny" as an excuse as to why women aren't in X profession, then "misandry" applies to men as to why men aren't in Y profession.

Your pretzel logic is off the charts 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,053]

Pretzel Logic #1:  Women aren't in men's professions because "MISOGYNEY OMG!!".  It's all men's fault.

Pretzel Logic #2: Men aren't in women's profession because "MISOGYNEY OMG!!".  It's all men's fault.

This is unreal.   

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Just now, TimHauck said:

Your pretzel logic is off the charts 

Good old Tim "Strawman" Hauck at it again!!! 

[TimHauck 2,757]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Pretzel Logic #1:  Women aren't in men's professions because "MISOGYNEY OMG!!".  It's all men's fault.

Pretzel Logic #2: Men aren't in women's profession because "MISOGYNEY OMG!!".  It's all men's fault.

This is unreal.   

I never said that’s the only, or even the primary reason, why many women aren’t in engineering, dummy.  But I said it contributed.  Seems like @jerryskids agrees

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Just now, TimHauck said:

I never said that’s the only, or even the primary reason, why many women aren’t in engineering, dummy.  But I said it contributed.  Seems like @jerryskids agrees

Sure you didn't. 

It wasn't YOU who blamed men for not being in Women's professions.  it was that other Tim Hauck guy!!! 

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Easy.  Male nurses get made fun of by other men.

Next question?

 

[TimHauck 2,757]

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Easy.  Male nurses get made fun of by other men.

Next question?

And to clarify @EternalShinyAndChrome, I’m not saying male nurses getting made fun of by other men is the only, or even primary reason more men aren’t nurses.   But it’s more of a reason than “misandry.”

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

And to clarify @EternalShinyAndChrome, I’m not saying male nurses getting made fun of by other men is the only, or even primary reason more men aren’t nurses.   But it’s more of a reason than “misandry.”

How is that possible?  You're claiming "misogyny" is the reason women aren't in men's professions.  Why would you not claim "misandry" for men in women's professions?

[TimHauck 2,757]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

How is that possible?  You're claiming "misogyny" is the reason women aren't in men's professions.  Why would you not claim "misandry" for men in women's professions?

You’re not very smart nor good at reading.

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6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

You’re not very smart nor good at reading.

I'm not the one making those claims. 

[TimHauck 2,757]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I'm not the one making those claims. 

Neither am I.  

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On 6/29/2025 at 9:43 AM, 5-Points said:

Are you retarded? 

Yes, he is.

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1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

@jerryskids was the first one that used the word “misogyny,” and he didn’t say it was gone from the field.

While there might be a minor Factor related to misogyny the main factor that causes women not to be in engineering is just that there aren't that many women going for engineering.  This is easy enough to confirm just by looking at the traditional numbers of women going to college for engineering versus men.  And I'm sure Jerry is aware that stem has always had a shortage of women relative to men in college.  This has been the case since I was an engineering major in college in the early 1980s and I suspect there were more women in those disciples then compared to earlier than the '80s so we've improved but there are still less women going into that field to begin with.  If you start off with a smaller pool of talent you're going to have a smaller pool of that talent in that disciple.

[TimHauck 2,757]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

While there might be a minor Factor related to misogyny the main factor that causes women not to be in engineering is just that there aren't that many women going for engineering.  This is easy enough to confirm just by looking at the traditional numbers of women going to college for engineering versus men.  And I'm sure Jerry is aware that stem has always had a shortage of women relative to men in college.  This has been the case since I was an engineering major in college in the early 1980s and I suspect there were more women in those disciples then compared to earlier than the '80s so we've improved but there are still less women going into that field to begin with.  If you start off with a smaller pool of talent you're going to have a smaller pool of that talent in that disciple.

I agree with this.  Just saying misogyny likely contributed to some of the women that did go into engineering ultimately leaving it.

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I’d only make fun of a male nurse if they dressed as a woman.  

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While Misogyny and Misandry might be overused terms and illicit emotional responses, you can easy use the term stereotypes and come to the same conclusion.  We've had traditional gender professions for many many years and they are formed early in development.  Men are construction workers, engineers, doctors and lawyers, women are secretaries, teachers, nurses and paralegals.  That has certainly changed over the past 30 years and continues to change.  As STEM is pushed more in young girls we've seen their engineering numbers rise.  Same as other professions.  But when women have historically been told what their professions should be, there will be a lack of interest in those other professions.

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6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I agree with this.  Just saying misogyny likely contributed to some of the women that did go into engineering ultimately leaving it.

Just like misandry likely contributed to some men not going into the Nursing field or ultimately leaving it.

Well, that was easy pretzel logic. 

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28 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I agree with this.  Just saying misogyny likely contributed to some of the women that did go into engineering ultimately leaving it.

Unless you've got some data to back that up you're just making stuff up.  I have no doubt that some small number of women left the profession due to misogyny but we can quantify the difference in numbers of women going to college for stem versus man.  You're just throwing factors out there without any data to support how much of a factor it actually is.

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2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

@jerryskids was the first one that used the word “misogyny,” and he didn’t say it was gone from the field.

I said there has historically been some misogyny in engineering.  That being said, if it helps you to get the win you so desperately crave, I'll concede that there is probably still some misogyny somewhere in an engineering company.

Actually, and I'd appreciate @Strikeor @Ron_Artest's opinions on this, since I think they are closer to it:  the most misogyny and racism I experienced in tech was in the IT field.  While I didn't work there, my wife does (well, she's a business analyst), and it seems to me that Indian male managers hire... pretty much only Indian men.

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Easy.  Male nurses get made fun of by other men.

Next question?

Funny you later said this, because I was already planning to add:  the biggest societal/behavioral disincentive for women in engineering is that the other girls in HS and MS treat the "geeky" girls like shiot.  Girls want to fit in and be cool, but the "in" girls treat the nerdy girls like social pariahs.  This may be changing somewhat in (very) recent years, but less than a decade ago when my daughters were that age, it was certainly the case.

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On 6/30/2025 at 5:42 AM, TimHauck said:

Oh hey, it’s @EternalShinyAndChrome supporting another strawman argument 

Why do you quote a poster then also tag them?

You are a weird fella

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4 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I’m not saying it should be an equal number, and I agreed with @jerryskids that MIT went too far.  But you’re lying to yourself if you don’t think a “culture of misogyny” chased away some of the women that did want to be in engineering.

 

This inclination to pretend we still live in the 1950's baffles me.  I think your lack of appreciation for the incredible progress made is sad.  Rather than choose the lazy route of ?its just because men are mean", I suggest you delve into it more.  Could there be some mean men out there? Sure....     Is that why women are not in the field....absofuckinglutely not....the real influence is far more interesting, and wasting time on 1950's era thinking is less useful