Minnesota

[dogcows 1,440]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

It all starts with her.  After that, he has responsibility for his actions.  Regardless, it all starts with her.

No, it starts with ICE storming residential neighborhoods.

[MDC 8,264]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

It all starts with her.  After that, he has responsibility for his actions.  Regardless, it all starts with her.

I’d put the blame on her first, then Trump / Noem for picking Minneapolis for a target in the first place and announcing their presence there, then the actual ICE officer. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,234]

I’d like to know what the people that ICE is pulling out of their homes are being charged with. 

[dogcows 1,440]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’d like to know what the people that ICE is pulling out of their homes are being charged with. 

Here’s a good summary (paywall removed by internet archive)

https://archive.is/diLZf

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Federal immigration agents in recent days have arrested dozens of refugees in Minnesota who had passed security screenings before being admitted to the United States, according to their lawyers and immigrant rights advocates.

The arrests of the refugees, who are mainly from Somalia and include children, come after an announcement last Friday that the Trump administration would “re-examine thousands of refugee cases through new background checks,” focusing on people who have yet to obtain green cards after arriving in the United States. But that announcement, by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, did not say that the refugees would be subject to arrest and transfer to immigrant detention facilities.

I may have mentioned this before, but reviewing somebody’s refugee case doesn’t require you to storm their neighborhood and whisk them away to Texas.

[Fireballer 2,711]

24 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Because he was walking across the front of the car which is not standard procedure.

I wish we could all agree that both Good and Ross have culpability in this. It doesn't have to be- nor is it- that one side is right and the other is wrong

I went over this with Tim the other day.  If you want to say that he contributed slightly, fine.  But her maneuver was the overwhelming move that place him there.  In his video, he was well clear of the right front fender when she reverses.  He was far enough away from the car to see her right front tire rotating  backwards.

[Ron_Artest 2,760]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

It's not a red herring, it's the discussion we are having, which is gutter's belief that gunshots occur instantaneously.

If you want to introduce a new discussion, feel free to.

You ever fire a gun Jerry?

[Ron_Artest 2,760]

18 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’d like to know what the people that ICE is pulling out of their homes are being charged with. 

Many are just being beat up, detained and then dumped on the street hours later

[Hardcore troubadour 16,234]

11 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Here’s a good summary (paywall removed by internet archive)

https://archive.is/diLZf

I may have mentioned this before, but reviewing somebody’s refugee case doesn’t require you to storm their neighborhood and whisk them away to Texas.

I’d say you’re right in other states, but in Minnesota there is a good chance that the facility will be attacked like in Portland. 

[Sean Mooney 2,091]

3 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

I went over this with Tim the other day.  If you want to say that he contributed slightly, fine.  But her maneuver was the overwhelming move that place him there.  In his video, he was well clear of the right front fender when she reverses.  He was far enough away from the car to see her right front tire rotating  backwards.

The video does not agree with the story you are telling.

She was backing up to get clearance to drive and had her wheels pointed to the right past him. 

[dogcows 1,440]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’d say you’re right in other states, but in Minnesota there is a good chance that the facility will be attacked like in Portland. 

My point is that they don’t need to be detained, period. Review the case. If you find they broke the law or there’s some other good reason to send them home, do so. They are arresting first, THEN opening their cases. They’re doing it backwards.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,234]

Just now, dogcows said:

My point is that they don’t need to be detained, period. Review the case. If you find they broke the law or there’s some other good reason to send them home, do so. They are arresting first, THEN opening their cases. They’re doing it backwards.

I can see your point. 

[dogcows 1,440]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

The video does not agree with the story you are telling.

She was backing up to get clearance to drive and had her wheels pointed to the right past him. 

100%

And in the video you can actually see her continuing to turn the wheel to the right. She was clearly trying to avoid him.

[Fireballer 2,711]

10 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

The video does not agree with the story you are telling.

She was backing up to get clearance to drive and had her wheels pointed to the right past him. 

Yawn.  Watch his video at approx :37 sec.  He is clear of the car.  He is far enough away that you can see the tires suddenly rotate rearward, he is then placed in front of the car by her angular movement rearward. In addition, in the original video from the left rear, you can’t even see him at all until she reverses, and then there he is in front.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,234]

I think it would be good politically for Trump to have ICE tamp it down a bit in Minnesota. 

[dogcows 1,440]

1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

Yawn.  Watch his video at approx :37 sec.  He is clear of the car.  He is far enough away that you can see the tires suddenly rotate rearward, he is then placed in front of the car by her angular movement rearward.

You definitely need a nap

[Fireballer 2,711]

5 minutes ago, dogcows said:

 She was clearly trying to avoid him.

 But she didn’t. Too bad for her.

[jerryskids 7,269]

50 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Local PD. If somebody was blocking my driveway and refused to move, I’d call them. They know how to handle these situations; they do it every day.

What if local PD choose not to help, or they don't have an hour to wait for local PD to arrive?

19 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

You ever fire a gun Jerry?

Many.  Never with a car about to hit me, though.  Are you going to drop some first-hand knowledge on me for that scenario?

[Sean Mooney 2,091]

22 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Yawn.  Watch his video at approx :37 sec.  He is clear of the car.  He is far enough away that you can see the tires suddenly rotate rearward, he is then placed in front of the car by her angular movement rearward. In addition, in the original video from the left rear, you can’t even see him at all until she reverses, and then there he is in front.

That's just not true. He panicked is what you are saying. 

Your argument seems to boil down not understanding camera placement and depth perception.

[HellToupee 2,384]

These Somalis don’t seem to like Nick Shirley. Good thing he brought security. These somali thieves can’t control their emotions 

“After my last video exposing over $110 Million in fraud Tim Walz dropped his run for reelection and multiple federal investigations were launched to stop  fraud across the country. In this 51 minute video David and I expose another $16 Million in fraud as Minnesota welfare programs continue to operate fraudulently and steal from law-abiding taxpayers,

Like it and share it around everywhere! Accountability and the law must come for the fraudsters and corrupt politicians who have let this happen.

The fraud must end.“

[Ron_Artest 2,760]

10 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

What if local PD choose not to help, or they don't have an hour to wait for local PD to arrive?

Many.  Never with a car about to hit me, though.  Are you going to drop some first-hand knowledge on me for that scenario?

Well you should know that when you fire a gun it shoots pretty damn fast.

 

[seafoam1 3,587]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

Well you should know that when you fire a gun it shoots pretty damn fast.

 

Just say you don't know what you are talking about already. 

[Fireballer 2,711]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

That's just not true. He panicked is what you are saying. 

Your argument seems to boil down not understanding camera placement and depth perception.

When the right front tire starts rotating rearward and the car starts angling towards the officer at :37, he is not in front of the car. He’s so far away from the car that he can catch almost the entire tire in his camera frame. His position changes slightly, if at all between :37 and :38, when he’s ends up pretty much dead center with the Honda emblem.  The car movement is overwhelmingly what puts him in front.

 

[dogcows 1,440]

29 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

What if local PD choose not to help, or they don't have an hour to wait for local PD to arrive?

Then find somebody who’s not a hothead and has local PD experience to defuse the situation.

Or here’s a novel concept. Just drive around. If it was a broken down car they’d have to wait an hour for a tow truck anyway.

The ICE agents could have (and IMO should have) ignored her.

[seafoam1 3,587]

20 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Then find somebody who’s not a hothead and has local PD experience to defuse the situation.

Or here’s a novel concept. Just drive around. If it was a broken down car they’d have to wait an hour for a tow truck anyway.

The ICE agents could have (and IMO should have) ignored her.

 too bad.